Talk:2017–18 Premier League/Archive 1

Location of the London teams tag on the map
So now that Brighton have been promoted the London teams tag, where all the clubs from London are listed on the main map is right next to them and it is very frustrating to look at aesthetically as they are in a position where it looks like they could be mistaken for the location of the dot. I don't know if that makes a whole lot of sense however I do find them too close together and I propose moving the London teams tag somewhere else on the map, possibly in the area at the top of the map in the North Sea. I think that just because the London tag is in one place one season shouldn't mean it should remain in that position every season irrespective of whether new teams near the location of that tag gain promotion to the league. As such, I think we should move the location of the tag. BarnabyJoe (talk) 08:39, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Wembley location
The map of the greater London clubs shows Spurs still playing at WHL, not Wembley. Can someone fix the latitude/longitude on the map? Imlikeaboss (talk) 03:53, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Add Southampton and Stoke City to teams list
Southampton and Stoke City can now be added as teams to this season of the Premier League since there are three teams below them in the 2016-17 Premier League table (Sunderland, Middlesbrough, Hull City) that are unable to match their respective points totals. Sam peck1983 (talk) 16:27, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

New Qualification System.
I noticed on the article that 6th now qualifies for the UEFA Europa League 2nd qualifying round. Does this mean that League Cup winners no longer qualify? Where I can read the new qualification procedure for England? 108.162.156.10 (talk) 07:39, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Fixtures dates in the results table ?
User:Astronomy Explained added the scheduled dates of each fixture in the results table. I can understand why, but frankly, to me it's a visual nightmare. Besides, it's not in keeping with the formatting of previous seasons and other leagues, and the very first reference of the article links to a season calendar. I'm in favor of removing the dates, but I wanted to submit it to discussion first. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bob von Schlumpfenberg (talk • contribs) 16:00, 15 June 2017 (UTC)


 * "to me it's a visual nightmare." Numerophobia, Bob? Would blank spaces soothe your nerves? Astronomy Explained (talk) 22:27, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

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AFC removed from AFC Bournemouth name
I notice that the AFC has been removed from AFC Bournemouth's name. It's part of the club's name as much as United or City is for the Manchester teams, and has been since the early 1970s. It's why the Premier League has them listed first before Arsenal on premierleague.com and in the Premier League Handbook. It's also the reason why the Football Association has them as ball number one in the FA Cup third round draw. This isn't something that would happen to AFC Wimbledon so why it happens to AFC Bournemouth I'm not sure.Cardboard Captain (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:59, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2017
Clean Sheets - Ederson is on 11 clean sheets, not 10! 109.155.190.214 (talk) 18:28, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: He is on 10 clean sheets according to the cited source. Gulumeemee (talk) 05:27, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2018
Firstly, David Wagner's flags should all be changed back to American, and secondly, a note should be added to remind editors not to change them to German. It's getting ridiculous now, the first criteria to defining a manager's nationality is by which national team he appeared for most recently - although he played for Germany U21s, Wagner was capped by the USA senior side. Why are editors so reluctant to adhere to this well-established principle? Is it because his accent is too thick to be a convincing American? Is his name too German? No-one would think to denote Chris Hughton by an English flag, or Thomas Christiansen by a Danish flag. I fail to see how Wagner's case is any different.2.27.239.185 (talk) 01:22, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I've changed the flags. I'm not convinced we need them in the first place, in line with WP:MOSFLAG, but that's a different matter. Mattythewhite (talk) 01:29, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2018
86.41.128.224 (talk) 15:27, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Ivec os (t) 17:05, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Wagner is an American
He was born in German and played for their U21s, but he represented the United States in full senior international matches. Under FIFA standards, he's an American. His situation is identical to that of Fabian Johnson or Jermaine Jones, and if those two went into management, they'd be listed as Americans. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 04:00, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Some editors seem to still be struggling with this concept. Yes, born a German but represented USA and that representation, in Wiki terms, makes him........American.--Egghead06 (talk) 04:34, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

David Wagner
The Premier League's official website has Wagner listed as German see https://www.premierleague.com/managers so shouldn't he be listed as German?
 * Thoughts guys? -- 🐇 ChocolateRabbit 09:47, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * What one particular source uses isn't really relevant. Convention on the Englsh Wikipedia is to list football people by their representative nationality, which in the case of Mr Wagner is American. Chris Hughton was born and raised in London, but we don't list him here as English. John Barnes, the son of a Trinidadian father and a Jamaican mother, was born and raised in Jamaica but we do list him as English. etc etc etc. Struway2 (talk) 10:11, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Wagner's profile states his country of birth is Germany, but does note that he represented the US at international level. But going by WP:MOSFLAG, should these flags be there anyway? Mattythewhite (talk) 15:40, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * No, obviously. But as long as the nationality of a Premier League manager gets plenty of media attention, which it does, we're not going to get rid of nationalities in articles like this. So whether it's listed as a little picture or an adjective, the answer to the original question remains the same, unless/until we change our approach to recording nationality. Which would open a whole other can of worms.
 * I also note that Chris Hughton's Premier League profile, with that website's customary accuracy, has him born in Ireland. Which would come as a surprise to his mother, who was in east London at the time. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:55, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Season progression
Let's take it to WT:FOOTY. Please don't continue to edit war. Nzd  (talk)  11:42, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I've already sent Mkhp1990 a message on his talk page. – PeeJay 11:48, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Tottenham Hotspur
In the positions table, someone changed Tottenham Hotspur's name to Cheaters and Divers FC! I changed it back to Tottenham Hotspur but Wikipedia should ban the person who wrote Cheaters and Divers FC.

They are jealous at tottenham hotspur Masedi baone (talk) 18:20, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Yeah because they are the best english club. 14:28, 21 April 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.150.163.89 (talk)

DeGea
In the season awards section it says David De Gea is on 17 sheets, tonight that became 18 and therefore Ederson cannot catch him, this is his first Golden Glove award ever! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DezzaBro (talk • contribs) 20:54, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2018
Change David de Gea's clean sheet record from 17 to 18 79.64.132.55 (talk) 21:04, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Source was already in article; the table just needed to be updated. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 21:57, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2018
In the summary section, it says Burnley will be in the first qualifying round, that should be the second qualifying round. 2A02:C7D:8639:1600:45CA:5E92:2418:AF8D (talk) 22:38, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 06:46, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

It says second qualifying round in the league table! 2A02:C7D:8639:1600:CD60:F4EA:B515:8287 (talk) 02:00, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I have changed it. There was already a source within the text which stated that Burnley would enter at the 2nd Round (I also changed Arsenal to group stage), as well as the table and 2018–19 UEFA Europa League Spike &#39;em (talk) 08:46, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2018
I would like to edit the page to change the amount of goals the current scorers have scored. Itzztheman (talk) 16:07, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Class 455  ( talk |stand clear of the doors!)  17:15, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2018
Tottenham should be linked to the main article. Correct finish place is third, not fifth.

Tottenham]], in their second game seemed to get their defence back on track, but results in September, including losing 1–0 to Manchester City, left them six points behind the leaders in fourth place. They failed to show the consistency of the previous season, and finished in third place. Jamie Lorea (talk) 15:57, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: Finish place corrected. Per MOS:REPEATLINK the link has not been added; there's a link in the paragraph just above. Thank you for your request. Sam Sailor 07:15, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

PFA Team of the Year graphic
I can barely make out the Man City players on this graphic : light blue on light green is not a good idea. The colour used for Man City players is 89CFF0, which compared to the green background of #009c00 has a contrast of 2.127 and thus is not compliant with MOS:CONTRAST which requires a contrast of text against a background of at least 4.5. None of the other colours used (red blue or white) provide a usable contrast either, but none are as bad as the light blue. I've had a look back through previous seasons and the same problem occurs there. If we really need to show a player's team's colours on this image, then I think that we'd have to introduce a coloured shirt icon and put the name in black (and there is no need to create a link, as the players are all listed in the main article anyway). Any other ideas before I remove the colours / links? Spike &#39;em (talk) 13:18, 20 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Why would that matter? Truthspeakerknows (talk) 06:22, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Because it is important that article content is legible, particularly to those without perfect vision. Do you have a valid concern with what I've done? Spike &#39;em (talk) 06:45, 15 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I have removed the colours / links again, am open to discussions about it here. If you really need the colour, then add a shirt icon, as is done for major matches. Spike &#39;em (talk) 06:29, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

How about this? I will add my edit if you're happy with it. TurboGUY (talk) 15:21, 21 May 2018 (UTC)


 * It looks a bit garish to me, but it far easier to read than before. I won't complain if you change it. Spike &#39;em (talk) 10:52, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Referees
Where is the list of the refs?--Scialfa (talk) 13:01, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Here. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:06, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * We don't have a list of referees. – PeeJay 13:18, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, referees, not references... ignore me. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:23, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Do you mean this list? Nzd   (talk)  15:01, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

It´s not the same. In de:Wp we have in every Bundesliga-Season a list of the referees with their caps, cards... I´m a german amateur-ref, that´s the reason for my interest.--Scialfa (talk) 07:26, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I suspect that might be considered overkill for en.wp, but might be worth a suggestion at WT:FOOTY? Also, is there a source that details such things? If not, then a list compiled by editors would probably be construed as original research. Nzd   (talk)  07:37, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Overkill, why? In germany the magazine Kicker list the refs for every season. --Scialfa (talk) 07:47, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * To clarify, I wasn't saying that was necessarily my view, or would be others, just that en.wp probably has different rules to de.wp, hence my suggestion of raising this at WT:FOOTY. You might also try the Referees Task Force, but that doesn't seem very active. Nzd   (talk)  09:08, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Wagner
Dear ip editor, WP:FOOTY consensus is that the primary nationality for footballers is the country they played for at senior level and hence Wagner is American. Please explain why you keep edit warring rather than discussing? Spike &#39;em (talk) 07:01, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * On related point, the lists of managers / captains in Teams section avoid this, by having no flags, but the Season statistics / Awards sections do have flags. Shouldn't the whole article be consistent in its usage (or non-usage) of flags? Spike &#39;em (talk) 08:17, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Going by MOS:FLAG, which I would argue we should, these flags should not be included. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:23, 27 July 2018 (UTC)