Talk:20 Mule Team Borax

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should mention the tv show "death valley days." I left a similar comment on that article's talk page.

Question: Does anyone in the internet know a store where 20 Mule Team Borax is sold? Dial Corp provides a nice little history of the product but no opportunity to locate or purchase it.

It can be found in the laundry section of most grocery and drug stores with it being titled as a natural laundry booster. Mrath 06:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC) (relocated text from main article)

Reagan and Borateem
I'm not sure where to put this. It was on the borax article but it's not pure borax. --Gbleem 14:45, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

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Real? Pure? Toxic?
How has this product changed over the years? Where does the Borax come from now? Is there real Borax in the modern version of this product? Is it 100% pure Borax? In what form? How is it made? What are the other main current products based on Borax?

Since Borax has toxicity issues, what are the toxic issues with this product?-96.237.78.13 (talk) 12:12, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


 * It is the decahydrate of sodium tetraborate and it's fairly pure, but hardly "100%". I think both the lack of truly high purity and its potential toxicity if consumed are addressed by the line "not for drug use" on the packaging. It is a refinement of the natural mineral mined in the Death Valley area around the Borax community. 2600:1004:B106:67BD:5CE:9F84:8525:8462 (talk) 04:07, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Queen of Clean
Don't know if she is still officially associated with this product. Formerly she was both referred to and pictured prominently on the packaging but this is no longer the case and I believe this portion of the article to be dated. 2600:1004:B106:67BD:5CE:9F84:8525:8462 (talk) 04:09, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

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Where is the real article
I tried finding out something about the actual product but couldn't find anything in this article besides it "is a brand of cleaner"

This article sucks enough that it might as well be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.197.144.134 (talk) 23:03, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

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Borateem is not 20 Mule Team Borax
I would like to change the "Ingredients" heading to "Related Products" because that section does not mention the ingredients of 20 Mule Team Borax. Instead it talks about two different products: "Borateem" and "Boraxo". Borateem is not the same product as 20 Mule Team Borax and the ingredients are not identical. Besides it being misleading, Artificial Intelligence applications are regurgitating this information as if it pertains directly to 20 Mule Team Borax, which is not correct. It is effectively causing AIs to produce and spread misinformation. I'm not even sure Borateem or Boraxo need to be mentioned in this article at all. Kirkbrode (talk) 11:56, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I changed the heading "Ingredients" to "Related Products". 20 Mule Team Borax has only a single ingredient: borax, also known as sodium tetraborate. Kirkbrode (talk) 19:14, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Borateem: potential misinformation
According to the Safety Data Sheet (SDS) for Borateem, it does not contain any of the ingredients claimed in this article. Also the citation references a very weak source. It's not actual documentation. The cited source (sciencing.com) looks like it's just a web page that assembles information from other sources without fact checking very well.

According to the SDS, Borateem does not contain Borax at all. I already felt it is awkward to include Borateem in this article, plus the way is presented is misleading, and now that I've learned it doesn't even contain borax, it doesn't make sense to me for it to be mentioned in this article. Borateem is no more related to 20 Mule Team Borax than dozens of other products now owned/made by Henkel Corporation or its subsidiary The Dial Corporation.

I think the article would be improved and no longer misleading if Borateem and it's supposed ingredients were removed. Kirkbrode (talk) 21:21, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * The original Borateem Plus bleach substitute (circa 1970) and Borateem Bleach (circa 1986) contained borax.
 * However, the Material Safety Data Sheet for the currently produced product called Borateem® (Dial Corporation) shows it does not contain Borax, tribromsalan or sodium dodecylbenzene sulfonate.
 * The information about the ingredients in the Wikipedia article comes from a product, manufactured and distributed by US Borax Inc, that was either discontinued in 1987 or never made it to market ("Product Registration Status: Canceled"). https://www.pesticideinfo.org/product?regno=00162400028&distno=001624
 * I found a Material Safety Data Sheet, prepared in 1992 and revised in 1994, for a formulation of Dial Borateem Bleach previous to the current formulation. The ingredients are Borax 98.4% and Subtilisins (a protease strain cutter). No tribromsalan or sodium dodecylbenzene sulfonate.
 * The Borateem ingredient information in the article is 36 years outdated. I'm going to remove the outdated information. Kirkbrode (talk) 00:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)