Talk:ACEA agreement

Last major car market in the world?
"With 18 million cars sold each year, Europe is the last major car market in the world." What is that supposed to mean? Is there something missing?--Boson 12:48, 30 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I was wondering that as well. Have tagged it with a "clarify" sticker, who knows, maybe the original author will come back and tell us (unlikely given that it's stood for 5ish years now), or someone with better powers of telepathy than me or thee can rewrite it into more understandable language. However, the data is probably long out of date by now anyway. 193.63.174.211 (talk) 11:46, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * It occurs to me that there could be 'rge' missing from the middle of 'last'. Just speculation but it would make more sense. Of course, even if it was the largest in 2007, it may not be any more; I might suggest doing some research there. If it's not the case, probably delete the line - there's no point to it if no-one can make head nor tail of it. CarrieVS (talk) 11:52, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

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 * http://org.eea.eu.int/documents/newsreleases/TERM2004-en
 * In Emission test cycle on 2011-03-18 04:51:23, Socket Error: 'getaddrinfo failed'
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CO2 equivalents as L/100km and MPG?
As the grammes-per-kilometre metric is worked out from each car's performance on the combined euro-standard economy test, would there be any mileage (ha-ha) in putting one or two guide figures in place to show what each major level or target relates to in those terms? I could even work it out roughly, given that 99g/km is 74.3 MPG UK (3.8 L/100km) (...for diesel?), an oft-quoted figure in manufacturer literature...

With that:
 * 80g/km = 3.0L/100km (92.9 MPG UK) diesel, 3.3L/100km (83.3 MPG UK) petrol
 * 95g/km = 3.6L/100km (77.4 MPG UK) diesel, 4.0L/100km (70.1 MPG UK) petrol
 * 120g/km = 4.6L/100km (61.9 MPG UK) diesel, 5.1L/100km (55.5 MPG UK) petrol
 * 130g/km = 5.0L/100km (56.6 MPG UK) diesel, 5.5L/100km (51.3 MPG UK) petrol
 * 140g/km = 5.3L/100km (53.1 MPG UK) >>> "5.8L/100km for petrol and 5.25L/100km for diesel engines" it says in the article text... so my figures are for diesel, then, and petrol is 99g/km at 67.3 MPG UK or 4.2L/100km? That just doesn't seem to fit with what's published in the press, but let's roll with it.
 * 165-170g/km = 6.3~6.5L/100km (43.7~45.0 MPG UK) diesel, 6.8~7.0L/100km (39.6~40.8 MPG UK)
 * 186g/km = 7.1L/100km (39.5 MPG UK) diesel, 37.3 MPG UK petrol
 * (And then appropriate conversions for US MPG? 80g/km = 70.3 MPG US, 100g/km = 56.3, 120 = 46.9, 140 = 40.2, 167.5 = 33.6 and 186 = 33.5...)

Which is a bit more relatable for the everyday reader, if made a bit clearer than the above table (which has evolved a little over the past 15 minutes as I've come into a better understanding of the figures). All we have at the moment is the figure for 140g/km, lurking up near the top of the article.

It also suggests it's not all doom and gloom ... although e.g. my own car is supposedly rated for 110g/km (67.5 MPG UK), and it only typically achieves 51~54 MPG (136~144g/km) in real world driving, that's still a major improvement on my previous one (rated at 165g/km, 44.8 MPG; achieving 33~36 real-world, though as I went from petrol to diesel that's equivalent to 36~40 MPG, 185~205g/km?). Given that it was built in 2003 with already good power and emissions levels (both of which have improved in current models, with a modest but proveable (by other people I know... O.R. I know...) boost in realworld economy as well), shows it's not only possible and practical but that manufacturers are, and were achieving it in mass-market models. Just consumers chose not to buy them for some reason (being convinced maybe that they needed more power than they really did? fear of diesel?)

BTW, is the mileage really different for petrol and diesel? It seems to get quoted the same for both fuel types in manufacturer's figures. Maybe they've got it wrong... I would expect so, given the different calorific densities of each fuel etc. But then which of the two is 74.3 and which is -whatever the other figure works out to be-? 193.63.174.211 (talk) 11:56, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

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