Talk:Abd Manaf ibn Qusai

Double negative
"There is a legend that is not taken as factual by neither Shia nor Sunnis:"

This line is a double negative. I assume that it means that neither Shia nor Sunnis take the legend as factual, in which case the line should read "There is a legend that is taken as factual by neither Shia nor Sunnis" or equivalent. I'd change it myself but as I don't actually know anything about Islam I would like some confirmation. Micah j 14:23, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

How many sons?
Did he have 4 sons or 5? Currently it has the contradictory sentences:


 * He had three sons: Abd Shams ibn Abd Manaf, Hashim ibn Abd Manaf, for who the Banu Hashim clan was named, and Muttalib ibn Abd Manaf.


 * He had a son named Nawfal ibn Abd Manaf.

Problem with vandalism.
Some user named Toushiro continues to vandalize the article, replacing the link to the city of Mecca to "makkah." He bases it on the fact that this is a transliteration of that city's name in Arabic, apparently forgetting that this is actually not Arabic Wikipedia, but is English Wikipedia, where according to WP:UE, we use the English language.

I request that people watch out to make sure that Toushiro keeps from further vandalizing this or other Wikipedia articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.203.128.142 (talk) 14:24, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you should refer to: Mecca and see for yourself. This has nothing to do with using Arabic, than it has to do with using the correct spelling (as opposed to continuing the usage of an incorrect Romanisation). Not to mention, changing the spelling to an acceptable form does not fall under the category of vandalism either. Toushiro (talk) 23:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Notice the name of the article you cite - MECCA. Not "makkah."  Mecca is the name, of course, that you would find on nearly every English-language map, much like the capital of Russia is listed as Moscow, and not "moskva."  Hence "moskva," and "makkah," may be transliterations of words from other languages, but honestly, that doesn't magically turn them into English-language words.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.203.128.142 (talk) 15:09, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You obviously didn't read the article where it says that "Makkah" is an acceptable spelling... -__-;; —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toushiro (talk • contribs) 19:13, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * You obviously didn't read the title of that article. Why on earth would you want to pick the lesser-used name in the article?  That is sipmply downright dumb, as I'm sure you'd agree.  As long as the article itself is called Mecca, and not "makkah," it only makes sense to refer to the city under the name the of the article that we're actually linking to.  That's just simple common sense, of course.

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