Talk:Adélaïde d'Orléans

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I have removed the picture of 'Madame Adélaide' because it was a picture of Marie Adélaïde, Madame Quatrième the daugher of Louis XV of France. March 23, 1732 - February 27, 1800, not the above Adelaide.

This can be verified from the style of the painting (by Labille Guiard 1749 - 1803) and details to be found on

http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/his/CoreArt/art/anc_lab_adel.html

The original picure is here:

http://www.ladyreading.net/labille-guiard/big/adelaide.jpg

Redundant & trivial content
See the message above posted last year: A lot of unsourced edits are being uploaded rapidly to articles on French royalty. Some appear dubious, others wrong. Yet requests for reputable citations are ignored, deleted, or inadequately sourced (page numbers in books are essential to verify if the citation is accurate) -- while the wholesale editing continues. Please respond to these requests, either with reputable sources or more careful edits, before adding additional unsourced material. Also, much of the added material is redundant, excessive, or trivial. I've already recorded repeated objections to 1. unsourced allegations (e.g. that seem unprecedented, unlikely, or undocumentable) are apt to be deleted unless precisely sourced 2. redundancies (if it's in a box on the page, it's apt to be deleted from the text): 3. excess (details which belong in another person's article [e.g. parent, spouse, child], or which describe hard-to-verify details [e.g. "She felt envious": unless it's an attributed quote from a diary or correspondence -- how is it possible to know what someone who died hundreds of years ago "felt" or "thought"? Let's stick to what they verifiably said or did]), 4. gallicization (names and titles when combined, OK [but members of dynasties that ruled outside France -- Lorraine, Savoy, Modena, Bouillon, Monaco, etc -- shouldn't be gallicized, except for cadets born into a branch naturalised in France]; well-known phrases, yes; untranslatable terms, maybe; just for the sake of a more "French" sound or "feel" to the article -- not usually, and subject to deletion). Other editors will, of course, have their own views. Please don't use sockpuppets. I look forward to better mutual cooperation -- and better Wiki articles. Thanks. FactStraight (talk) 05:45, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Redundant & trivial content
In reply to the message you just left on my talk page: Much of the added material is redundant, excessive, or trivial. I've already recorded repeated objections to
 * 1) unsourced allegations (e.g. that seem unprecedented, unlikely, or undocumentable) are apt to be deleted unless precisely sourced
 * 2) redundancies (if it's in a box on the page, it's apt to be deleted from the text):
 * 3) excess (details which belong in another person's article [e.g. parent, spouse, child], or which describe hard-to-verify details [e.g. "She felt envious": unless it's an attributed quote from a diary or correspondence -- how is it possible to know what someone who died hundreds of years ago "felt" or "thought"? Let's stick to what they verifiably said or did]),
 * 4) gallicization (names and titles when combined, OK [but members of dynasties that ruled outside France -- Lorraine, Savoy, Modena, Bouillon, Monaco, etc -- shouldn't be gallicized, except for cadets born into a branch naturalised in France]; but just for the sake of a more "French" sound or "feel" to the article -- not usually, and subject to deletion). Please don't use sockpuppets. I look forward to better mutual cooperation -- and better Wiki articles. Thanks. FactStraight (talk) 13:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Requested move
As Adélaïde was female, her rank was as "princess" and not "prince". Why this page was moved makes no sense. BoBo (talk) 13:03, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with BoBo. Why the move? Why no notification of proposed move on talk page (on this one & others that are being moved arbitrarily) so as to give regular editors who are seriously working on these articles the right to discuss & give their opinion? --Frania W. (talk) 14:28, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Marriage and exile in America
I have removed the following information: Her three brothers managed to escape to Denmark and lived there in exile until 1796. They booked passage as Danish subjects on a boat bound for Philadelphia. Summoned by her brothers in 1800, Adélaïde attempted to sail to America, only to become shipwrecked in route, and find herself in Guadeloupe, West Indies, where she met and fell in love with George Casper von Schroeppel, a former officer in the Prussian army and now a successful merchant who traveled extensively thoughout the Americas for his tea-trading firm, at the time on one of his trips to the West Indies. The couple soon married and moved to New York City in 1801, then lived in the Schroeppel House at Schroeppel in Oswego County, New York. They had four children: George Casper, Louis Henry William, Marie Eugenie, and Marie Antoinette von Schroeppel. However, the marriage wasn't a happy one, due to their age and religion differences.

In 1814, when her brother Louis-Philippe came back to France after Napoleon I's abdication, Adélaïde returned to live at his side, leaving her husband and children behind in America. She never returned. Reference: History of th River Edge Mansion Bed and Breakfeast

None of the other language versions mention a marriage, and they also give different locations for her exile. This information does not seem to have a relible source. I have therefore removed it from the article. --Aciram (talk) 14:13, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 2 December 2017

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 05:29, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Adélaïde of Orléans (1777–1847) → Adélaïde d'Orléans – Concise, natural, precise and recognizable per Article titles. See VIAF, ISNI, DNB, IDREF, BNF, J. Paul Getty Trust for evidence that this is the common name. DrKay (talk) 19:24, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Support per nom's good rationale. Dicklyon (talk) 05:58, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Support. Just a redirect reversal. Dates are not needed for disambiguation. Station1 (talk) 03:39, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Support. Only one here as far as I can see. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:29, 6 December 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.