Talk:Adam Yates

Requested move 21 July 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jack Frost (talk) 08:05, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

– Very clear primary topic. The footballing Adam Yates never played above the third level of domestic soccer in England and had an international career only at semi-pro level; the cyclist has been riding at the top level internationally for 8 years, has won several races at the highest level, and is among the favourites for the upcoming Olympic Games road race. The cyclist currently outscores the footballer on page hits by a factor of 34:1; since July 2015 (pageviews.toolforce.org does not allow me to research farther back) the footballer has never reached 2000 views per month, the cyclist has done so 40 times, with a peak of over 100,000. Kevin McE (talk) 09:14, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Adam Yates (cyclist) → Adam Yates


 * Note: Adam Yates titles a page with significant content and so is ineligible to be a target "new" title unless it is also proposed to be renamed. This request has been altered to reflect that fact.  P.I. Ellsworth   ed.  put'r there 12:51, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Please do not change what is in my name. If you want to make a counter-proposal, knock yourself out, but do not leave the page stating that I said something that I did not. I very deliberately did not propose that, after reading WP:ONEOTHER, see quote below. I have reverted to my proposal under my name. Kevin McE (talk) 14:45, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You are asked please to revert because ONEOTHER applies to a dab page with one primary topic and "one other" topic. There are two other topics on that dab page, which means that if you don't include the move from Adam Yates to Adam Yates (disambiguation), your request is malformed and is subject to a procedural closure. We prefer to fix malformed requests rather than to close them. Also, ONEOTHER guides us as to whether or not to create a dab page, but leaves it to consensus or administrators whether or not to keep an already existing dab page. Thank you very much for your consideration in this matter!  P.I. Ellsworth   ed.  put'r there 00:21, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * There is only one other article on the disambiguation page. As I have already said, this is my proposal, you make a different one if you want to. I would hope that people involved in the decision would value an efficient encyclopaedia over procedural matters that are not properly set out anywhere that they are easily found.  WP:ONEOTHER in no way identifies itself as being exclusively concerned with the formation of new disambiguation pages. Kevin McE (talk) 18:01, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Since you've been editing a few years longer than I have, I'm inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt. Personally, this is the first time I've run up against an editor who is so sensitive about another editor changing their proposal in order to fix a malformed request. So rather than revert you myself or close this request based upon its malformity, I shall leave this up to a move-request-involved admin, → for clarity's sake, fyi this request is presently listed at WP:RM, which I try to help out with. Please advise.  P.I. Ellsworth    ed.  put'r there 11:21, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , I intentionally created a new subheading §Possibly incomplete requests to distinguish these from §Malformed requests. Please do not call requests of this nature "malformed" as that can cause unnecessary ill will with the nominator. RM operated smoothly for years without this distinction, which I think is truly problematic in only a small subset of "incomplete" requests (which is why I qualified that with "possibly"). In the current RM environment where page-movers (who don't seem to like to read and follow instructions as much as admins do) may be closing most RMs and editors question whether the "closing instructions" are true guidelines or just an "essay", trying to impose excessive rules seems bad form. I think that moving Adam Yates to Adam Yates (disambiguation) is implied by this request, and I would just automatically make that move when closing this RM, to clear the way for moving the cyclist over the top of that page. Ideally, I'd like to see all page-movers do this as well, but getting the more casual page movers to follow more detailed instructions probably isn't any easier than getting RM nominators to follow more detailed instructions. Then a separate decision may be made after the move is completed whether or not to delete Adam Yates (disambiguation) because "one other" or keep it. Of course, the discussion about that matter here may help to guide that secondary decision. – wbm1058 (talk) 12:57, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * okay, got it. Works for me. Apologies to the nom for any actions I took that were inappropriate. There is nothing wrong with being more forgiving and more understanding. Thanks to both of you for this enlightened approach!  P.I. Ellsworth   ed.  put'r there 13:52, 24 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Okay, but move not delete target which is dab to Adam Yates (disambiguation) In ictu oculi (talk) 11:10, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * According to WP:ONEOTHER, that is not necessary or desirable. "This means that readers looking for the second topic are spared the extra navigational step of going through the disambiguation page." Kevin McE (talk) 14:45, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support per well-written and researched nom. Full disclosure: I've never ridden in the Tour de France. Randy Kryn (talk) 17:10, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:50, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Support as proposed, overwriting the current two-entry (not counting off wiki reference) dab page, per nom. A hat note link to the footballer is all that is needed. —В²C ☎ 23:45, 28 July 2021 (UTC)