User talk:Paine Ellsworth

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I shall likely remain a non-admin doing the best I can to enjoy discussions with other editors. I sometimes participate, sometimes help with disagreements and sometimes close discussions when needed. I am no stranger to closing contentious discussions about controversial subjects. I sometimes close the easy talks, too, because if it's in the backlog, then it's fair game!
 * Disclosure:I am not an administrator on Wikipedia. I very much respect admins and have been helped by them many, many times over the years. I also respect the community vettings at RfA that often show the ultimate community respect and trust of an editor.

Remember that WP is not a democracy, so discussions are not just a vote. The key factors in all good discussion closures are the arguments written by concerned editors, policy-based rationales, which count very much toward an acceptable decision.
 * Anyway, if you have come to ask about one of my RfC, RM, MRV or other discussion closures, you are very welcome here! I am usually inclined to reopen a discussion if the outcome was "no consensus" and when I am specifically and intentionally asked to do so! (Not so much if I found a consensus – that doesn't mean I cannot be persuaded with a good, sound argument.) Please be very clear about your intentions and do not beat around the bush. That just means please don't expect me to read your mind; I have enough trouble reading my own mind sometimes. Thank you beyond words for your deeply respected concerns! –  Paine 

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Tijuana Radio/doc
Template:Tijuana Radio/doc has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. DrChuck68 (talk) 20:07, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Review
Hi User:Paine Ellsworth could you please see this Talk:Sargun Mehta 2A02:6B68:10:6100:240D:8552:D271:2A6C (talk) 11:11, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Talk:2017 Speaker of the United States House of Representatives election
Hello. Please reopen or, in accordance with the RM, close the nomination as to its merits. The nominator "withdrew" the nomination 16 days into the one-week nom!, which was relisted more than a week ago, and was !ivoted upon and discussed by quite a few editors. Is that allowed, that if a nomination is failing after over two weeks and one relist that it can just be closed because the nominator withdraws? And if so, can the nomination which has already had a full over-two-week run then be newly moved to another group nomination? Please close that one as well since the guideline it points to is inaccurate. In other words, what a mess, and partly because the nominator actually lowercased the nommed titles ahead of the nomination (which should all be returned to uppercase going into the nomination, but not for this 2017 one which already has the full discussion that you've negated). Thanks (and yikes). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:57, 29 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Is that better, ? I should have done that in the first place. Sorry.  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 17:43, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks, the snow close does make sense and is accurate after 16 days. But another editor points out that the RM doesn't make a difference to the new RM which is going for a completely different name for the page. I didn't know we could get around RM discussions just by offering up a different name, at least things mix it up a bit on Wikipedia. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:24, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Normally not, because a "moved" or "not moved" decision should hold up for at least a year. Situation reeks.  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 23:45, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

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Fix links
User:Paine Ellsworth Hi could you please fix link redirects for shows like Bigg Boss, Jhalak Dikhhla Jaa, MTV Roadies, MTV Splitsvilla, Strictly Come Dancing, Dancing With The Stars, Big Brother and Celebrity Big Brother contestants, hosts and judges also guest celebrities too as they all have been renamed. Like for example Tiffany Pollard and Gauahar Khan. 2A02:6B68:10:6100:D10E:EC4D:5600:8515 (talk) 16:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I need to know more – precisely which redirects and how exactly are they "broken"?  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 16:34, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Look in Gauahar Khan click on Bigg Boss 7 link then you will find out. 2A02:6B68:10:6100:614D:B596:BF0:9EE5 (talk) 16:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Strictly Come Dancing series 21 This as well see in the contestants pages all are old links. Please do for all the contestants celebrities pages for all reality shows mentioned above. 2A02:6B68:10:6100:F5F1:28CB:14AE:CC00 (talk) 17:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm very sorry, did I not say ' ' Those I've been able to find so far do not appear to need fixing.  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 19:35, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No I meant for example in Gauahar Khan it’s named as it’s old title Bigg Boss (Hindi season 7) when it should be changed to Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 7 please check television section. 2A02:6B68:10:6100:B030:62B8:832D:5BCA (talk) 20:13, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * User:Paine Ellsworth All bigg boss and other many reality shows in uk, us and india etc are renamed but pages still have redirects on. 2A02:6B68:10:6100:B030:62B8:832D:5BCA (talk) 20:15, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It’s used as old link please rename to new link for all celebrities who are associated with the reality shows above. 2A02:6B68:10:6100:B030:62B8:832D:5BCA (talk) 20:17, 30 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Editor IP2A02+, you might want to rethink all this and give WP:NOTBROKEN a read. That guideline, which represents a community consensus, tells us not to fix redirects that are not broken. When we put ourselves in the reader's shoes, the reader sees twenty instances in the Gauahar Khan article of Big Boss (some #) and all those redirects still get the reader to where they want to go if they click on those links - in the case of Big Boss 7, they still get to the Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 7 article by way of the redirect. That's why a redirect is usually left behind after a page move, so that readers will still get to the article they want. And as editors, we do not have to fix 100, 1,000 or even 100,000 redirects that have been left behind after a page move. Hope this helps, and thank you very much for coming to my talk page!  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 21:09, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
 * But I don’t understand is you have fixed the redirects over here Template:Nach Baliye but you are not doing it for all the other celebrities of the reality series. 2A02:6B68:10:6100:C54:A57C:8433:485A (talk) 22:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Please let me ask you to look more closely at that "navigational template", also called a "navbar" and a "navbox" – and at WP:NOTBROKEN, which guides us "Good reasons to bypass redirects include: it is usually preferable not to use redirected links in navigational templates, [...]" An example of a subtopic redirect that did not get bypassed is "Amita Chandekar", a contestant in season 3. Most of the other redirects could be bypassed. Remember, the rule is not to bypass redirects; however, there can be exceptions to the rule as noted in the guideline. Thanks again!  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 23:58, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Talk:2017 Speaker of the United States House of Representatives election_2
Greetings, user:Paine Ellsworth. I see you have changed the decision on the requested move at Talk:2017 Speaker of the United States House of Representatives election. I am not opposed to you marking it as "not moved", even after my withdrawal that is fair enough. However, you are mistaken by asserting that I withdrew in due to "wp:SNOW" opposition. I withdrew my nomination in light of discovering policy that applied, warranting me to close this discussion and open a new RM for that page, not because of any opposition. I still stand by my reasoning in that RM even if it is overriden by that of the newer RM and would have held out until the dicussion could be closed "normally" had I not created a new one. I am kindly asking you remove "nominator has withdrawn in light of SNOW opposition," as it is untrue. Thanks Burgeoning Contracting   14:21, 1 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Yes, editor, I certainly didn't mean that your withdrawal was "due to" the SNOWy opposition, but only that the opposition was snowy. And yet I can see how the wording might be misunderstood by some editors, so I will make an attempt to clarify and to word it more precisely.  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 14:36, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I appreciate it. I understand why you put that there myself, but to an editor who is barely coming across this, it could be very easy to misinterpret the situation. Burgeoning Contracting   15:04, 1 April 2024 (UTC)


 * my pleasure!  Paine  15:25, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

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Please see now again
Hi User:Paine Ellsworth please see this again Talk:Sargun Mehta as I have shorten the confusion to the edits I want done. 2A02:6B68:10:6100:E1B1:5C52:7559:5A76 (talk) 11:33, 3 April 2024 (UTC)


 * User:Paine Ellsworth Please 80.76.56.153 (talk) 19:25, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Mexicali Radio/doc
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Re this edit
Hi :) While I won't undo it (as at the end of the day, it was only down to my personal preference at the time of typing the comment that I didn't bold the first word, and I don't want to be pointy), I'd prefer it if you didn't copy-edit my messages for me in the future. All the best, &zwj;—&zwj; a smart kitten [  meow ] 08:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Oh my, please do forgive me if you think I've overstepped. I do that all the time in discussions where the usual format is not followed. I honestly can't promise I won't do it again sometime down the road; however, I will try to remember your wishes. Thank you very much for coming to my talk page, editor !  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 08:16, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

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Somewhere over the rainbow
Re this edit, why did you decide "Over" should be capitalized? Seems like our titlecaps styling would say 4-letter preposition is lowercase. Dicklyon (talk) 20:35, 4 May 2024 (UTC)


 * That's a very good question,, and I agonized over it for some time. The article was moved from "...Over..." to "...over..." in May of 2006, and then to simply "Over the Rainbow" (dropped the "Somewhere") in June that same year. So neither title that uses "Somewhere" appears to be appropriate for the article – "Over the Rainbow" remains the original title and the common name of the song. So I dug deeper and found that the vast majority of sources still call the song "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" along with just "Over the Rainbow". The few exceptions are "Somewhere over the Rainbow", "Somewhere over the rainbow", and even "(Somewhere) Over the Rainbow". I think the reason why most sources capitalize "Over" in any case is because that is the actual first word of the songtitle whether or not "Somewhere" is also present. So I went with the sources and IAR'd WP's five-letter rule for prepositions in titles. I considered the usage in sources to be a good reason to ignore the guideline. My bad?  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 21:47, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * A better way to ignore the rules would be to not declare either version to be a miscapitalization. But I see you might want to say which one is printworthy.  Personally, I'd think following WP style works well here, as the "Somewhere over the Rainbow" version is quite common in sources, even if the other is in the majority.  So I'd choose that as the printworthy redirect.  Dicklyon (talk) 02:47, 5 May 2024 (UTC)


 *  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 14:04, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Dicklyon 2001:D08:1B88:6404:8DA7:2755:A972:7E11 (talk) 20:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Undiscussed move restoration
Hi. Can I ask why you have restored the undiscussed and no consensus title of the article that was erroneously changed without WP:RM? This is a controversial topic and article, undiscussed and non-consensus moves like that aren’t permitted and should be reverted. Now depending on the current move discussion’s outcome, the original title should be changed or remain the same but the undiscussed move that had no consensus should be reverted as it violated WP:RM. Thanks. Vanezi (talk) 09:02, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for coming to my talk page, editor ! I ask for your forgiveness, because we shouldn't rename pages during an ongoing formal move request. The move request began on 30 Apr, and you restored the title on 5 May with, while the move request was still open and ongoing. So please be patient while you and the other involved editors continue to sort things out, and wait until the move request is closed by an uninvolved editor, who will make a decision based upon consensus garnered in the survey and discussion. Thanks again!  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 09:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yet the move that I had reverted literally violates WP:RM. How is this relevant to the current move discussion? The current move can still proceed while we restore the last consensus version that was the article title until it was erroneously moved with no discussion or consensus in a controversial topic/article. Vanezi (talk) 10:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If you don't have further disagreements, could you please revert the undiscussed move and restore the consensus version of the title until the current move is concluded? I tried but it failed for some reason. Thanks. Vanezi (talk) 07:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I don't usually repeat myself, and yet in this case apparently I must... pages should not be moved during an ongoing formal move request, not by you, not by me, not by anyone. Again, please be patient until the move request has been closed. Thanks again!  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 09:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Redirect category question
Hey, been a while my friend ; I hope this finds you well.

Thought you might be able to help me understand why R with wikidata item is returning an error message for me on Ralph Humphrey (drummer) (permalink).

Warmest regards, — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 05:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you, editor, for coming! This seems to be a rare problem that I think is caused by an anomaly in the Wd module. I'm not well-versed in Lua, so I haven't been able to find the cause. My "bandaid" solution has been to link the redirect to Wikidata directly, which I have done for the Ralph Humphrey (drummer) redirect. That removes the rare occurrence of the error. Thanks again!  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 15:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Images with misspelled parameter


A tag has been placed on Category:Images with misspelled parameter indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 01:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, and welcome! This category was used for tracking and fixing an error and has served its purpose. It can be deleted anytime. Thanks again!  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 17:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

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Can you please rv moosa edit as she removed my requested edit User:Paine Ellsworth 2A02:6B68:10:EF00:91BF:F278:6C67:7EFF (talk) 17:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 7 2A02:6B68:10:EF00:C4FA:446A:37E2:B2A3 (talk) 17:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * . Elli AvrRam is still alive, so it becomes a WP:BLP issue to spell her name correctly as it is now regardless of what decade the listing is in. So I have linked to the correct spelling of her name as it is now.  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 18:05, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Tampico Radio/doc
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Hi please edit request see
Hi User:Paine Ellsworth please see my edit request in Talk:Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 8 thanks 2A02:6B68:10:EF00:24C3:67E6:B5AB:195A (talk) 16:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi_2
Hi User:Paine Ellsworth please could you see the requests for Talk:Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 7 and Talk:Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 8 please. 2A02:6B68:10:EF00:600D:1B5C:3E36:D939 (talk) 09:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * User:Paine Ellsworth Please see my reply on
 * Talk:Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 8 2A02:6B68:10:EF00:E525:41FB:E799:C303 (talk) 17:00, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Please because I am very busy and can’t wait for long as I improved both seasons 7 and 8 tables for edit request. 2A02:6B68:10:EF00:D986:B385:6F60:FB4A (talk) 17:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi, I am also very busy and have been unable to analyze your complex requests. Please be patient, and if you are the IP who is changing no to yes, then be aware that you are disabling the request and no other editors will see it listed. To reactivate just change it back to no. The big box must appear in the discussion in order for other editors to see the listing and perhaps respond. Thank you for coming!  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 22:29, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Talk:Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 7 has been done just need Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 8 to be completed. So please could you only see Talk:Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 8 and do the request edit please when you have time either today or tomarow morning. 2A02:6B68:10:EF00:196F:60F:2AAE:65CA (talk) 08:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Question
Hello PaineEllsworth, I hope you're having a good weekend. Since the move discussion is closed now, may I revert the previous erroneously changed title which was done without a WP:RM? Thank you. Vanezi (talk) 09:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


 * since at least one other, editor, agrees that the current title is a bit ambiguous, I would not challenge your page move back to the Armenia–Azerbaijan border crisis (2021–present) title. However, I'm sure you're aware of the notice near the top of the talk page that this article is part of WP's contentious topics system of protection. If you do decide to boldly change the title back to the previous name, don't be surprised if it is challenged by other involved editors. In that case, you can always open a fresh move request to revert to the older title. Best to you, and thank you very much for coming to my talk page!  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 18:04, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I think I'll move the article back to the original version that was prior to the undiscussed move, "Armenia–Azerbaijan border crisis (2021–present)". I've tried to move it back but it doesn't allow me and gives an error, saying that "Armenia–Azerbaijan border crisis (2021–present)" already exists. If you know, what can I do to solve this problem? Many thanks! Vanezi (talk) 14:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I've gone ahead and implemented your decision. Best of everything to you and yours!  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 20:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you Vanezi (talk) 16:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Happy to help!  Paine  19:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks!
It appears we don't agree on Template:R subtopic, Template:R subpage, Template:R plural, but thanks for pointing out the 21 yr milestone. It seems like only yesterday that I completed the 20! And if I recall right, I may have copied my signature font from yours. Jay 💬 07:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * my pleasure!  Paine  08:15, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Valianivske
I know this closure may not be intentional and you did it in good faith. I am willing to ask whether you knew it was reopened for further discussion without intentionally affecting the move already done. Please revert your closure because @Pppery reverted it and later backed off as per no reason why you did that. Thanks. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 22:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * thank you very much for coming to my talk page! and yes, I did wonder why editor reverted my closure and then self-reverted his revert. His edit summary was, "Actually this is more complicated than I thought, will back out". To be honest, my close was intentional because I monitor the malformed move requests list, and that is where that move request appeared after you moved the page with . I'm not sure what the correct way is to fix all this, but I do know that reopening that move request is definitely not the right answer. That will just land the request back on the malformed requests list. If you think that more discussion is still needed, then an informal discussion in a new section on that talk page might work. Or if you want it to be in the way of a formal move request, then perhaps the correct thing would be to open a fresh move request. Would you like me to do that for you? And thanks again for coming!  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;,  ed.  put'er there 00:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. I see the problem. Thanks. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 01:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Happy to help!  Paine  01:21, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Two reverts to Module:Wd/sandbox
Hello, you made two reverts to the said page some time ago. I presume you were debugging something. Is this still relevant? I mean, we should keep the sandbox up-to-date, to prevent some issues with editors forgetting to synchronize the sandbox with the main module before editing it. Could I revert the sandbox to the up-to-date version, or do you still need that one version which is there currently? Thanks. Janhrach (talk) 09:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * by all means feel free to sync the sandbox, and thank you for coming to my talk page!  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 09:39, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Janhrach (talk) 09:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * My pleasure!  Paine  14:24, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

TfD issue
Hi Paine, I've reverted but only on technical grounds, the TfD template seems to have been causing the If_both template to throw the following <div style="display:inline-block;Expression error: Unexpected ​ error, so I've rolled back the change but it's only a technical issue - I'm not in any way opposed to the deletion discussion etc, so if the TfD template can be added back (I'm way behind on my wiki markup to allow me to do it myself) feel free to undo my change. Nick (talk) 11:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ignore the above, Nickps provided an alternative TfD coding option which appears to be working correctly, so it's back with it's seemingly all important TfD template now. Nick (talk) 12:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed, your changes on If both and Both were wreaking havoc with a bunch of templates and infoboxes. Please remember to test your edits, and make liberal use of inclusion control tags. Thank you! Ivi104 (talk) 12:19, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Also noting that I also reverted Template:Both, and no objections if anyone wants to fix it up properly. Notes at WP:VPT. -- zzuuzz (talk) 12:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

You're all correct, that's all on me. I should have checked for the disabled type in the code. That's something that is not usually needed for these TfM issues, and it's been awhile since I had to ensure that the notice was disabled. So yes, I should have caught that, and I will be more vigilant in the future.  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 15:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

WikiProject Linguistics
Hi - editors are currently discussing the topic "Should we keep delimiting diaphonemic transcriptions with single slashes?", which you may be interested in. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Linguistics Best wishes - 1RightSider (talk) 00:09, 14 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much, editor, for this notice!  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 21:35, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Islamic terrorism in Europe protection change
@Paine Ellsworth any way you can change the Islamic terrorism in Europe page back to regular protection, I have many edits I think should be added. Marksaeed2024 (talk) 21:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I didn't protect that page, because I do not have the tools to make page-protection changes – as a page mover, I can only transfer existing protection when I move a page. Administrators (admins) have the necessary tools. You can make a request at WP:Protection requests to lower the protection level, and then see if an admin will approve it. Thank you for coming to my talk page, and hope this helps.  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 22:03, 19 July 2024 (UTC)