Talk:Adobe Photoshop/Archive 3

Photoshop programming languages used in IT development
Can someone with write access please add Objective-C to Programming language used Source: http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2008/04/photoshop_lightroom_and_adobes_64-bit_road.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.171.137 (talk) 00:43, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi.


 * I am afraid your source does not say such a thing. It says:


 * "We began training our engineers to rewrite code in Objective C (instead of C++)"


 * Now, whether they have actually released a version of Photoshop that is (at least in part) written in Objective C is yet to be verified.


 * Best regards,
 * Codename Lisa (talk) 03:51, 10 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Codename Lisa
 * To support 64 bit architecture on OS X, Photoshop CS5 had to be rewritten from the ground up using Cocoa framework (which uses Objective-C language), porting from legacy Carbon framework (based on Toolbox framework written in C/C++ for Mac OS Classic)


 * Photoshop on Windows & Mac still uses C++, I'm not contesting that!!! I'm just asking for Objective-C to be added
 * The likelihood Photoshop is written in multiple languages


 * quote|This means that 64-bit Mac apps need to be written to use Cocoa (as Lightroom is) instead of Carbon.
 * Source:http://blogs.adobe.com/crawlspace/2011/03/getting-photoshop-cs5-to-64-bit-on-macintosh.html
 * Source:http://www.pcworld.com/article/144119/adobe_64bit_photoshop_struggle.html
 * Source:https://developer.apple.com/technologies/mac/cocoa.html
 * Source:Objective-C
 * Source:Cocoa (API)
 * Source:Carbon (API)
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.171.137 (talk) 11:33, 10 August 2012‎ (UTC)
 * Hi again


 * Quick questions: Do we have any 64-bit version of Adobe Photoshop running on Mac? If yes, since which release?


 * Best regards,
 * Codename Lisa (talk) 01:32, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, since Photoshop CS5.
 * Photoshop CS5 can run in 32-Bit mode or 64-bit mode, Photoshop CS6 dropped support for 32-Bit on Mac OS X.
 * Source:http://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/64-bit-os-benefits-limitations.html
 * Source:http://blogs.adobe.com/photoshopdotcom/2012/03/photoshop-cs6-operating-system-support-and-beyond.html
 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.171.137 (talk) 13:54, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. Thanks for the info. I will ask someone in WikiProject Apple to analyze your sources and add Objective-C. (I'm sorry that I myself am not Mac-literate enough to do that.) So, please be patient a little more. Thanks in advance. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 07:18, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


 * This article is a mess, Photoshop was clearly rewritten on the Mac for CS5 release, CS6 is only 64Bit on Mac. and is clearly using Cocoa framework (Objective-C)
 * Source:http://www.adobe.com/devnet/photoshop/sdk.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.18.9.33 (talk) 11:27, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Photoshop has not been rewritten - just refactored. Photoshop is still a C/C++ codebase, with a bare minimum of Objective-C needed for interfacing with MacOS UI APIs (less than 1% of the code). Photoshop also contains assembly, JavaScript and HTML - but you wouldn't claim those as the language that the application is written in. &lt;Wikipedia won't let me sign this because I actually work on Photoshop&gt;

All i said was Objective-C was used (along side C++) and it should be credited, Adobe themselfs said "Photoshop CS5 is rewritten from the ground up as a 64 bit application" rewritten a far stronger term then refactored (but i'm sure your correct since your Chris Cox at Adobe. so i concede ) source: http://www.adobepress.com/articles/article.asp?p=1582934 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.255.90.248 (talk) 23:39, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

This section can be deleted, i agree Photoshop is 99% C++ application, would love to hear more facts from Adobe source — Preceding unsigned comment added by Codename Lisa (talk • contribs) 03:54, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Early History
There is no mention of what applications people were using before photoshop existed. Does anyone have this information? To me, it seems relevant to the topic and should be briefly mentioned here Truehatch (talk) 19:18, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * People weren't using any application before Photoshop. They did it in actual photo shops. Photoshop came in 1988, when computers with full color displays were still at their infancy. —Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 04:34, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for moving this. My mistake putting it in the wrong place. But about this topic: surely there was something. There was already a great number of graphical games and GUI applications available. Truehatch (talk) 05:20, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I am curious to know how great exactly is this "great number of [...]" is. But Photoshop was the first anyway. —Codename Lisa (talk) 05:45, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

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The Run Around
You should beware of false advertising when it comes to the procedure of 'photoshopping.' None of the programs here deliver that ad campaign nor are anywhere near like the program used on my computers and others to "photoshop pictures." Evidently it's called Adobe Photoshop too, however there is a disclaimer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:301:7751:160:41C4:753F:CCBE:F3CB (talk) 23:30, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Missing supported architectures
Why are only x86 and x86_64 listed in the platform section?

As per Adobe Photoshop version history it does definitely support 68k and PowerPC. And according to a comment above it also supported Irix and Solaris — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vip17 (talk • contribs) 12:25, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi.
 * Unless stated otherwise, an infobox reflects the status of the latest stable version. As you yourself mentioned, we already have a full Adobe Photoshop version history; we do not need to overflow the infobox with historic information.
 * Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 13:11, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Misleading "Operating System" part
The part titled "Operating system" states certain versions of Microsoft Windows and Apple macOS that are only required for the latest releases of Adobe Photoshop. This may be misleading to users to think that 'all' versions of Photoshop require these versions of operating systems; which is not the case for previous releases of the software. M.A.H. 07:54, 26 August 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haghshenas m a (talk • contribs)

Cannot Cancel Subscription
My husband passed away and I found that it is impossible to cancel his Photoshop subscription! There is not an option in Adobe to cancel a subscription once is has started. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Themerganser (talk • contribs) 04:30, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 12 May 2020
188.229.6.244 (talk) 11:37, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2020
103.1.92.109 (talk) 12:12, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Not clear what changes you want to make. Kuru   (talk)  12:38, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

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C++ software
Remove this category. The claim it 's written in C++ has been removed by sockpuppet User:Codename Lisa so it can no longer be put in this category. "Citation needed." 194.207.86.26 (talk) 08:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Update Inaccurate Information
Hi Wikipedians,

I propose an update to correct inaccurate information in the first paragraph of the article:

Information to be revised: The sentence “The software’s name has thus become a generic trademark.”

Explanation of issue: The sentence is factually incorrect. Words that identify a product are “generic” (e.g., “computer”, “software”). Also, if the public comes to understand a trademark to be the name of a product itself, as opposed to identifying an exclusive source of the product, that trademark can become generic (e.g., “escalator”). Generic terms are incapable of functioning as trademarks that show they are source of goods or services and are not registerable at the US Patent and Trademark Office. Conversely, Adobe (1) is recognized by the public as the exclusive source of origin for the PHOTOSHOP product, and (2) maintains numerous registrations for the PHOTOSHOP mark at Trademark Offices globally. Due to Adobe’s widespread use, advertising, extensive marketing and enforcement of trademark rights, its PHOTOSHOP mark has become famous and consumers globally recognize the mark as a distinctive symbol of Adobe’s goodwill – i.e., as the exclusive source of the PHOTOSHOP product. As a result, the PHOTOSHOP trademark is not and has not become a generic term.

References supporting change: https://www.uspto.gov/learning-and-resources/glossary#sec-G (The US Patent and Trademark Office’s definition for “generic”) http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/ (Adobe’s registrations for the PHOTOSHOP trademark can be reviewed via search at the USPTO)

Thank you, MT_PC2020 MT PC2020 (talk) 21:59, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2021

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Follow up on December 23, 2020 Request to Edit
We request the following sentence be removed from the page: “The software's name has thus become a generic trademark, leading to its usage as a verb (e.g. "to photoshop an image", "photoshopping", and "photoshop contest") although Adobe discourages such use.”

The sentence is factually incorrect as “Photoshop” is not a generic trademark. Proof of this is shown with Adobe’s current trademark registration for “Photoshop” at the US Patent and Trademark Office, and registrations for the trademark “Photoshop” globally. The word “software” is generic for software. “Photoshop” is not. A generic term such as “software” is incapable of functioning as a trademark as it is not a source indicator for software goods or services, and would not be registered at the US Patent and Trademark Office. However, “Photoshop” is recognized by the public as a source indicator for a specific brand of computer software for photo editing originating with the company, Adobe, and is registered at the US Patent and Trademark Office, as well as globally. The “Photoshop” trademark is famous due to Adobe’s widespread use, advertising, extensive marketing and enforcement of trademark rights in its “Photoshop” trademark. As such, the “Photoshop” trademark is not and has not become a generic term, and the sentence claiming it is needs to be removed.

References supporting change:

- https://www.uspto.gov/learning-and-resources/glossary#sec-G (The US Patent and Trademark Office’s definition for “generic”)

- http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/ (Adobe’s registrations for the PHOTOSHOP trademark can be reviewed via search at the USPTO)

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Adobe_Photoshop (Talk: Adobe Photoshop page displaying the December 23, 2020 request)

Thanks,

P Coie Updates (talk) 23:23, 26 March 2021 (UTC) P Coie Updates


 * ✅ The references you cite are primary sources but I have found a secondary source from The Verge that supports this claim. I have reworded the particular sentence to remove the claim that "Photoshop" is a generic trademark (I am surprised this incorrect statement lasted this long!), while keeping the significant context that it is often used colloquially as a verb. ☃ Unicodesnowman (talk) 01:40, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Seek to restore useful content after merging of pages
This page was recently merged with one describing Photoshop Elements but no content appears to have been transferred. Within that page, a table describing the version history of Adobe Photoshop Elements provided useful encyclopedic content. Could this be restored? I am a novice contributor to Wikipedia so feel inadequately qualified to attempt to do this myself Temporra (talk) 06:59, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

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Trademark names are not proper nouns
They are adjectives: one should speak of a Xerox copy but never 'a Xerox', a Kleenex tissue but never 'a Kleenex', and so on. Adobe insists that the only correct usage is 'Adobe Photoshop software'. 96.78.138.54 (talk) 00:26, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Can you tell us which specific word you were speaking about and the background of your comment? Otherwise the chance is high that someone like me re-inserts the problem without understanding it. WikiBrendy (talk) 12:36, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Date first released on Windows?
It says " In 1993, Adobe chief architect Seetharaman Narayanan ported Photoshop to Microsoft Windows." But when was it released? Misty MH (talk) 03:04, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2023
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Psdcloudy (talk) 05:46, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
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How to remove black markup on screenshot
@ 105.112.16.79 (talk) 13:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Official unix ports
Adobe's product suite had official ports to SGI's Irix and Sun's Solaris. I don't see any information about those ports, including which versions existed, how long they were supported or any of nuances about those features. I came here hoping to find info on that and found it to be spartan. Can an aficionado chime in with info on this brief moment in history? Kungfuj35u5 (talk) 14:34, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Date wrong
The article says "Version 0.87 (March 1980)", but it should presumably be 1988... AnonMoos (talk) 00:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


 * At least according to this article, the release date should be March 1989, but you are correct that there is clearly an error here. https://www.fastprint.co.uk/blog/the-evolution-of-photoshop-25-years-in-the-making.html Entomopathogenic (talk) 14:28, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 October 2023
116.73.200.171 (talk) 08:13, 4 October 2023 (UTC) milan patel
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"Adobe Express" redirection to "Adobe Photoshop" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect of [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adobe_Express&redirect=no Adobe Express] to Adobe Photoshop has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. Ennex2 (talk) 16:29, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2023
122.169.178.41 (talk) 15:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 15:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Wrong release date
"Version 0.87 (March 1980)" is wrong, it's actually 1989, as per https://gist.github.com/msikma/04bfae8670300a12c55937c3b61d670a

I'd edit it myself, but the article is protected. Kyuujin (talk) 10:31, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Jewell barjoud 2.50.235.226 (talk) 04:35, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Version release log
In the latter part, the article is more like a version log release. This is for interested editors' notice. Thanks, User4edits (talk) 03:37, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Adobe Photoshop 2.5 release date is wrong
The page, sadly much like much of the rest of the Internet, reports that Photoshop 2.5 was released in November of 1992. This is wrong. I was there. But some concrete evidence before personal reminiscence:


 * The Photoshop 2.5 about box (https://fthmb.tqn.com/XY5bpaskghLdQWIVj1fSza-L_vE=/768x0/filters:no_upscale/PS20th06-25_real-58b9b5fb3df78c353c2d0509.png) shows a copyright date range extending through 1993. If it shipped in 1992, the date would end in 1992.


 * A review of MacWorld magazines (https://vintageapple.org/macworld/) shows no mention of Photoshop 2.5 until the May 1993 issue in a Mac Zone ad. Now, MacWorld in those days sent issues out with dates months ahead of their release, but not six months. The review of Photoshop 2.5 appears in the June 1993 issue and the star ratings section of the May issue still references Photoshop 2.0.1 as the most recent version.

So, November 1992 would seem firmly ruled out by this evidence.

Now, when did it ship? Since it was referenced in the May issue and the issues ran ahead of the calendar, we can limit the range of plausible dates to April 1993 as the latest possible date.

That said, my personal recollection calls for a February 1993 release.

Adobe's software releases — particularly of imaging products including Photoshop's initial release on February 19, 1990 — tended to arrive in mid-February because February was the end of the quarter and mid-February would be the latest a product could ship and book revenue.

Furthermore, there was a training event in a very cold Washington, D.C. that year at which the Macintosh engineering team was present along with the product management for both Mac and Windows. The presence of Windows product management shows that Adobe was ready to announce the product and since announcing the Windows product would effectively announce the Mac product as well and there was already a Mac product in market, we can conclude that the Mac version had shipped by that point. The presence of the Mac engineering team but not the Windows engineering team would indicate that the Mac version had been released but the Windows version, which trailed the Mac version, had not. The cold weather in D.C. would put this in a range from January 1993 to early March 1993. January seems too early given when mention first appears in MacWorld. March seems too late given Adobe's quarter boundaries. So, probably February 1993.

Definitely not November 1992. Adobe Respository of Ancient Knowledge (talk) 03:24, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

“Photoshop” as a verb
How does “photoshop” in “photoshop contest” act as a verb? It seems like it can solely act as an adjective and still make sense. 2605:A601:AAEA:8100:9CCF:9898:9384:BBBD (talk) 15:09, 7 January 2024 (UTC)