Talk:Adobe Photoshop/Archive 2

Trademark Infringements
This article is clearly in violation of the trademark guidelines laid out at http://www.adobe.com/misc/trade.html#section-4. To remedy this situation, I would recommend replacing all instances of the words "adobe" or "Adobe" with "Adobe®". All instances of "photoshop" and "Photoshop" should also be replaced with "Photoshop®". Some words may need to be moved around to prevent other infringements.

In particular, the liberal use of variations on the word "Photoshop®" also needs to be cut down to abide by the guidelines linked to above. As a guideline, it may only be used as a proper noun. This means that words such as "photoshopped", "photoshopper" and "photoshopping" will need to be removed.

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Piracy
It is well known that many (most?) users of Adobe Photoshop use a pirated version. Maybe there should be a section about piracy including estimates of how widespread pirated versions are, and how Adobe attempts to fight piracy? 129.240.157.46 (talk) 09:40, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That'd be a good addition—anyone have a good source? —danhash (talk) 05:40, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Add a pricing section??
Could we add a pricing section showing the prices of the software in different regions. It could also mention the controversial around Adobe's pricing structure (Whereby Europe prices are substantially higher than US prices), could link to articles like this for ref. http://getsatisfaction.com/adobe/topics/why_are_uk_prices_nearly_double_us_prices —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.151.103 (talk) 12:27, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Reference 6
Reference 6 is a dead link.

Auto-alignment of layers enhanced Create accurate composites with the enhanced Auto-Align Layers command. Move, rotate, or warp layers to align them more accurately than ever before. Or use spherical alignment to create breathtaking panoramas.

Efficient file management with Adobe Bridge CS4 enhanced

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Adobe_Photoshop&action=edit&section=1'''

Moving title
Why is the title moved from Adobe Photoshop CS to Adobe Photoshop? I think the original title is more specific. 69.216.16.151 02:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. Photoshop CS refers to this program. Adobe Photoshop could refer to Photoshop Elements. Althepal 16:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, is the current version the third release of Photoshop CS, or the tenth of Photoshop which is just named CS3? ALTON   .ıl  17:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * This article is about the application itself, and not any specific version. It is absolutely improper to title it after the specific version currently out. And nobody is going to confuse it with Photoshop Elements. DreamGuy 19:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Why was the Easter egg section removed
I'm curious, why was the Easter Egg section removed? I just want to know because I had a screenshot uploaded for the CS2 Easter Egg that has been tagged orphaned and I want to know if it would still be considered useful. Rgoodermote 11:03 June 19Th, 2007 (UTC)
 * (That wasn't the only section...) I think it was someone who thought it was not significant to the program. He may also have considered it original research, but I disagree with this, especially since there was a picture to support it. I actually found it interesting and see no harm in its being in the article. Check the archives and see if there was a consensus. If not, I see no reason why you can't add it back. Althepal 16:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * See WP:ENC and WP:TRIVIA -- we can't spend all the time talking about totally insignificant information of no importance to the larger topic while the nitty gritty of the topic itself isn't as detailed as it really should be. DreamGuy 19:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a poor rational. What you consider insignificant, others might not. Moreover, the implication of your statement is that you would support adding back this "trivial" information if the rest of the topic were fleshed out. This is nonsensical and ignores the evolutionary nature of Wikipedia; things that appear superficial can become substantial if they're allowed to grow without overzealous editing. If your comment was solely in reference to this discussion section, the solution was simple: stop talking. There was no need to remove information from the article. Alexdi (talk) 20:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I have to say it was interesting finding out about the other easter eggs. I will check the archives when I get the chance. I really just need to know because I want to know if there will be a use in the future for the following image Image:CSeasteregg.png

P.S. I will get on reading those soon Rgoodermote 18:51 June 19Th, 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't suggest you add this to the article. The information is at best, Trivia, and DreamGuy's already outlined why it doesn't qualify for inclusion. The image would fail Fair Use standards because it is not necessary to illustrate the subject, and adding text just to include it would seem rather counterproductive. It would help, however, if you still have CS2, to get some screenshots of a tools outlined in the "General Features" section. It would be even better if that was Windows, since the article seems quite biased at the moment, image-wise. ALTON   .ıl  04:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Will do, I still have the windows version installed on my computer in full. By the way I was never intending to bring it back and as it seems it is no longer needed I have stayed my orignal stance on the image. Thanks

Rgoodermote 10:59 June 20Th, 2007

Features?
Is there a reason why this article centers around PS history, release versions and random folklore? Even the features section starts... with a promo piece on the latest release version! I realise many of the actual features of the program are common to other graphics editors, but they should at least be listed, so that someone coming here to find out what Photoshop is and does don't leave feeling short-changed. If there's a revamp on the cards I'll chip in, but let's start by getting the basics in place. mikaultalk 18:36, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree--Ceas webmaster 19:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreeing does nothing, because this is no vote against consensus. The articles on "common" things such as this must put much more weight on history and release versions, simply because a list of features no matter how neutral will sound like an advertisement. However, the article must indeed fully explain why the product is so phenomenal. Please help expanding the general features section and history. ALTON  .ıl  06:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * True, but there's bound to be an unavoidable amount of promo-like feature-listing, especially if we restrict it to describing those features unique to CS3. The main problem is that nowhere is there a basic description of the tools and features common to all raster editors: Raster graphics editor is perhaps the best place for it, but it's currently no more than a stub. There should at least be a basic list of features (layers, tools, palettes) at Photoshop each of which could link to equivalents at the more generic article (better, a short section within that article) to retain a semblance of neutrality. In short, most of the work needed here is actually work needed at a more genereric "definitions" level in a separate article. mikaultalk 08:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, I like that vision, I had no idea the other article was that empty. Let's get to work then. ALTON   .ıl  01:21, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * My bad: the Raster graphics editor article is cetainly in need of a boost, but it's not the reference I thought it might be. A good range of tools and features are described at Image editing and there's also a good existing comparative ref at Comparison of raster graphics editors to link to. All good, but should we still boost Raster graphics editor to provide an easier access reference, d'you think? mikaultalk 11:18, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Just someone's 2c - I just wrote on the Talk:Maya page urging some to not truncate the features drastically, as they discuss. Otherwise Photoshop just becomes "a graphics program" One of the great things about the old Enc. Brittanica was it's depth about any subject - you actually LEARNED the subject, not just a blurb about it. No, you can't turn it into a manual, either, but it's about the program, I say display it's properties. And yes, I use the ' old style........Habit. Jjdon (talk) 01:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Market Share
I miss information about market share in the entry, and the total number of licenses for the product. Terjen 22:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Broken link or incorrect word use
"color models RGB, lab, CMYK, grayscale, bitmap, and duotone. Photoshop has the ability to read and write Raster and Vector image formats such as: .EPS, .PNG"

the word BITMAP links to a BINARY page - change one end of the link for accuracy excuse my formatting - could not find coherent guidelines on how to contribute to a wiki project! 81.99.122.167 23:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Fixed. Thanks. The Help link on the left-hand sidebar is a good starting place for editing guidelines. Chris Cunningham 06:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Recent reverts
So it seems that in the interests of compromise, a revert of a series of copy edits was partially accepted. I can't see any actual justification for this, so I've rolled back to the latest version. Discussion would be nice. Chris Cunningham 01:00, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * When you say "latest version" you really mean "not really the latest version but it sounds better that way." How about this for discussion: You aren't discussing anything, and ignoring the discussion that has happened in edit comments solely to revert to your version, as you said "revert to mine".... This shows a clear intent to WP:OWN this article, especially as you are reverting sections of the article that have been on this article for ages and discussed previously and having a clear consensus to be there. DreamGuy 06:16, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The amount of time a section has been in an article has no bearing on whether it should be changed or not. You can't go around saying "Well, it's there in the article already, so we should just leave it." Anyways, most of Chris's edits are grammatical in nature. The only thing I can see that shouldn't have been removed was the commented-out note about not adding more external links. Yes, it seems a bit redundant to have it there (since anyone who's read WP:EL would know not to add non-notable links), but I can understand the reasoning behind it.
 * And saying "back to mine" is not evidence of ownership. I mean, come on. It's saying "back to my previous version," which is similar to saying "reverted revision whatever to previous version by so-and-so." Ownership is something completely different. It's not clear to anyone but yourself. And considering your history with this "problem editor," it's hardly surprising you're so willing to jump on his back again. Have you even looked at his edits? The only thing removed (which I have added back) was the link comments. --clpo13(talk) 06:37, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Just to repeat this, as a "problem editor" I've got roughly the same amount of edits in the article namespace under my belt as DreamGuy (~8000) and I've never interacted with him at all previously to my knowledge. As for the statement that I'm reverting "sections of this article which have... a clear consensus to be there", this consensus doesn't appear to be have formed on the talk page through inspection of the archive, and I simply don't have the time to check if the comments made on historical edit summaries have any bearing to reality (as exposed by his two RfCs and the recent ANI, DreamGuy's edit summaries are frequently misleading). Considering that the edits in question are trivial copyedits, and that exactly the same claims of bad-faith editing were made against my earlier reordering of the article's sections and templates per the manual of style, I'm not inclined to believe that anything has changed. Chris Cunningham 12:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * DreamGuy, what is your rationale for reverting the edits made by Chris and others? Considering that there is no appreciable difference between the two versions (seen here) other than simple grammatical or copyediting issues, consistently reverting and accusing other editors of "blind reverts" is clear evidence of ownership, especially if you don't explain yourself. --clpo13(talk) 03:10, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Wait, so "back to mine" supposedly isn't clear evidence of WP:OWN violations but restoring to the longstanding consensus version is? You can't be serious. DreamGuy 00:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I am being serious. "Back to mine" means "back to my last (good) version." I thought I had made that clear. However, claiming a longstanding consensus when there isn't one is most certainly ownership. Chris's edits (the ones I was referring to) weren't going against consensus; they were copyedits. Reverting them without specifying a reason is bad form, considering no appreciable amount of content was changed, other than in a grammatical sense. --clpo13(talk) 08:27, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Trademark
While actually reading that article cited in the Trademark section, Adobe says merely using "Photoshop" to refer to the application is incorrect. Does Wikipedia comply with their guidelines, which would make this article extremely tedious to read? ALTON  .ıl  10:47, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * In short, the current use is correct for Wikipedia. If you have a few days to spare you could lose yourself in WP:NAME and its associated subpages for a more detailed breakdown. :) Chris Cunningham 11:22, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Screen shot at the top
I've been thinking about the screen shot at the top of this article. I'm not sure that it is a particularly clear example of the PS interface. While novel and kind of funny to see the image window overlaying an image on the desktop which matches, for those who are not particularly knowledgeable on photoshop, or the floating window interface of Mac, this could be confusing. I think that for the sake of clarity an image against a more plain desktop would be more informative to the average reader. Crocadillion 15:00, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The previous image had sort of that motif going, so I wanted to be consistent. I don't particularly like the way it looks in OS X, but I'll redo if it someone doesn't get a better version. ALTON   .ıl  00:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I say re-do it... clarity is key with these images. I use Photoshop everyday, but if my sister came to find out about it, she would not have any idea what that interface was all about, or have the first clue as to why the image looked like that. Crocadillion 21:58, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Check it, I changed it. I don't know what the Windows one looks like, but I think it would look better as a screenshot. ALTON   .ıl  22:58, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You need to re-do the screenshot. The icon in the dock and the menus in the menubar ("OS X elements") are parts of the program, and a solid gray background is too dull (how about just using the standard aqua background?). You could get a good idea of how it would look in windows by checking out Image:Photoshop.gif –Althepal 23:31, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Haha, you're right. This screenshot is the Mac 'full-screen' which makes it like that, with the grey, only covering full screen (Incidentally, the background I had for the shot is the Aqua).  ALTON   .ıl  23:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, that's perfect! I thought the owl picture from before was fun, but just not as clear as it could be, this is great and to the point though!

Photoshopping as a verb
DreamGuy has unlinked photoshopping from the article section that discusses its use as a verb. Everyone agrees that Adobe discourages this, but DreamGuy has been on a compaign to pretend it's not done, or to hide the evidence of it, or something like that (going so far as to argue that a reference in evidence of it in the other article is "not needed" in light of Adobe's policy). Rather than revert his unlinking, I figure I should just ask here and see what others think is appropriate. Dicklyon 17:39, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and added the link to see if anyone cared, and he said it's not done to have a section link and an article link in the same sentence, which I agree is a little usual, so I fixed it to have just the more specific link to the photoshopping section since that's the topic of the sentence. Anyone got a better idea? Dicklyon 00:06, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I removed it again because it's absolutely improper. It gives entirely the wrong idea of what the verb means, as explained over and over and over again -- in fact it was that very issue that got the Photoshopping article removed in the first place, so you certainly cannot be unfamiliar with it. Photoshopping means "to use Photoshop" which is this article so doesn't need to link anywhere. For those people who use the term loosely to mean "to edit with any program similiar to or including Photoshop" the correct link would be Photo editing, and that's already linked to in this sentence. Linking to an article that's not an article that redirects to a subsection of another article that only spends one sentence giving the real defintion and then goes into great detail in some very minor subset of the definition ("to edit with any photo editing program to fool around and make joke images")is an abuse of the linking policies and is a transparent attempt -- as you have been trying for months -- to personally redefine the verb in a misleading and neologistic way. DreamGuy 00:29, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Wrong idea? Yes, you've asserted that repeatedly, but without sources to rebut the sources listed at photo editing.  And yes you know full well that I am very familiar with the issue, but that is distinctly NOT why I merged the photoshopping article into photo editing.  We had a consensus that that article would be a better place for the information, not that the information was wrong. Dicklyon 00:33, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You seem to be confusing what you stubbornly believe despite all evidence and consensus. The sources listed there do NOT say that the term means "editing around for mere entertainment purposes" is the definition, they include that as an example within the larger definition. You seem to purposefully misread any and all sources and lie about what they say just so you can have your way. More to the point, the very first line of the "Photoshopping" section says it means to edit in general, therefore linking the term to the section that means screwing around for fun is clearly wrong, even with what the article itself says. DreamGuy 20:09, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, good, we do agree at least that "The sources listed there do NOT say that the term means 'editing around for mere entertainment purposes' is the definition." Linking to "the very first line of the 'Photoshopping' section (where it) says it means to edit in general" sounds like a good place to me.  Dicklyon 20:20, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I have to admit I'm a bit confused. When has anyone said photoshopping is only for entertainment purposes? I was under the impression that the idea of photoshopping encompasses both professional and non-professional usage. --clpo13(talk) 21:37, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Italics on program titles
I removed all the italics from program titles (such as Photoshop and ImageReady, etc.) per the Manual of Style, which states that computer software other than games should not be italicized. Just a note to future editors. --clpo13(talk) 21:56, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh for crying out loud... So the Manual of Style is screwed up, so what else is new? There's absolutely no rationale for italicizing game titles and not other titles. DreamGuy 15:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't make it up so don't shoot me. The only rationale I can think of is that video games are kind of like books or movies, both of which are italicized. But that's just my guess. --clpo13(talk) 18:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

HerrSchnapps's grammatical edits
What's the difference? I can't see any possibility interpretation of English in which HerrSchnapps's version is wrong if the original is correct, but the reverse could be true. In any case, neither "one disk" version is supported by the reference. &mdash; Arthur Rubin | (talk) 18:50, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * There's no difference except that HerrSchnapps's version has slightly better grammar. Come now, you know we're all "problem editors" who are spending our Friday nights in specifically to annoy other Wikipedians. Chris Cunningham 21:19, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The difference is that HerrSchnapp's version switches the perfectly fine "one floppy disk" to the cliched "a single floppy disk" and unnecessarily capitalizes the v in version 2.0 and overall makes the whole section less readable and with more errors than what it was before. From the edit comment on the article edit by Arthur Rubin and Thumperward's highly uncivil comment above, along with the problems in the edit itself, it's pretty clear that people are reverting just for the sake of reverting or just not looking at the edit for actual content. DreamGuy 22:15, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, there were content differences, as well. The prior version said "fit on one floppy disk" (implying it was actually distributed on a single disk ... if that's the case, we should say so) and HerrSchnapp's version said "could fit on a single floppy disk".  As neither of those statements is corroborated by that source, we shouldn't have either one there.  &mdash; Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 22:29, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see how anyone could take Thumperward's comment as uncivil. I also don't see what possible problems there were with HerrSchnapp's edit. Reverting it only shows WP:OWNership problems. No significant amount of content was changed, the section didn't become unreadable, and no harm was done (unless we're including pride in the equation). At the very least, good faith should have been assumed. --clpo13(talk) 09:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, it was deliberate snark, and everyone knows that snark is the highest form of incivility on Wikipedia. I should imagine smelling salts were needed. Anyway, I'm not wasting my beautiful mind on the motives in question any more (if I ever really did), I'm just making sure copyedits survive. That's quite easy these days what with so many people having been drawn into our vast conspiracy to vandalise the Photoshop article "against consensus". Chris Cunningham 10:16, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Photoshop / Photoshop Elements
I've started a discussion at Talk:Adobe Photoshop Elements as to whether two separate articles are justified. I'd be grateful if anybody with views on this could join the discussion over there. B1atv 11:01, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * If you think they should be merged, you should place Template:mergeto and Template:mergefrom tags in them and start the discussion where those point you. Dicklyon 15:50, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

removed eye reference
i took out This version's logo also introduced the "eye" motif seen until version 8.0 of the program. talking about photoshop 3.0. the link given as reference clearly shows an eye in the logo for photoshop 1.0, and the about box artwork for version 2.0 (the Mac version at least) also had an eye.

Features Section
I think that we should expand the features section of this article so it reflects possible filters, and other functions of Photoshop. This section could also show the growth of the program, as it could show the growth of the features from the first version on. I feel that this would greatly increase the usefulness of this article. Let me know what you think!

We could also merge the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoshop_plugins with this one...

Perhaps we could either create a new plug-ins section, or else alter the info in the plugins page to better represent information in the features section.

Milton88 (talk) 04:02, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I was looking at this recently and didn't get round to acting on it, because I found a lot of what you're suggesting on other, very comprehensive pages. Basically, this article would be huge if we started adding in details of that sort of functionality, and so much of it is available with other software. It does, I think, make sense to look at it generically, as per Comparison of raster graphics editors, which links to yet more articles detailing these common features. There's something to be said for including anything unique to PS here, I suppose, though I cant think of anything not already there. Photoshop plugins is already linked via from that section, and I've now added a similar link at Features to Comparison of raster graphics editors, which was the omission which I was originally interested in fixing. As this was linked at the See also section, I've replaced that link with Image editing. --mikaultalk 14:31, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Screenshots look like crap
Some people are really radicals... whats with the screenshots? we can tell a thing from there... you and all the "non-free"/"free as in freedom" radicalism and extremism... can't you see in the end you just hurt the people? can't you see you are the ones who take our freedom away? no... off course you can't...


 * Seconded, what's the point in having a 300-pixel wide screenshot? It could be MSPaint for all I can tell. If they're going to be castrated to this extent, they shouldn't be there at all. Alexdi (talk) 20:41, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

RGB color values
I think color value for black is RGB(0,0,0) and white is RGB(255,255,255) not the other way around, no? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.66.110 (talk) 19:51, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You are correct.41.135.44.248 (talk) 15:20, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

CS4 mistake
The main article is showing the "latest release" as being CS4, released 0 days ago. This is incorrect, because while CS4 has been announced, it's not available for purchase and not released, and it won't for some time. The product is just announced. I won't revert it because I don't want to anger the Wiki gods, but somebody should review that decision. --201.26.123.253 (talk) 15:57, 23 September 2008 (UTC) fe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.111.38.86 (talk) 08:24, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Article importance
I have just listed the article's importance as "High" as I believe that it is a "popular application"; as for quality, I have requested an assessment. It Is Me Here (talk) 20:21, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Article issues
This article has multiple issues, but I would like to point out this paragraph... "Photoshop revolves around editing pixels, unlike Adobe Illustrator which uses vectors. When an image is rendered into Photoshop, it is compiled by millions of single-colored pixels. At its core, Photoshop works by manipulating each individual pixel. Pixels are manipulated according to whichever tool is being used. In the case of other tools, such as Blending Modes, the pixels are modulated according to their relations with other pixels. Individual colors are encoded by a 3-part scale: red values, green values, and blue values (RGB). Each value is measured on a scale of 0 to 255, with saturation increasing proportionate to number scale. A value of Red: 255 Green: 0 Blue: 0 will be rendered as pure red. All 3 values at 255 will be rendered as white, all values at 0 will be rendered as black, etc."

This section describes the way Photoshop works, without a single citation and appears to be complete OR, so I've tagged it as such.
 * Although Photoshop is a raster-based editor, it does have vector creating and editing capabilities (you can create "shapes" and "paths").
 * An image doesn't necessarily need to be made up of millions of single colored pixels. Greyscale images have no colour. Duotone images have specific colours. Not necessarily millions.
 * Individual colours can be made of 3 channels, RGB. But the alpha channel should be noted. A pixel in RGB is likely represented by 4, RGB+A, not just RGB. Who says that CMYK images are comprised of RGB in Photohshop?

If this stuff isn't soucred soon, I'll probably delete it because it's seems wildly inaccurate. It would be nice to have a paragraph similar to this with correct, sourced information. Agree? TKGD2007 03:08, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The point of the paragraph is to point out that Photoshop is primarily a raster editor. That meaning should remain, but the color information is unncessarily constrained and specific. I'd dump everything but the first sentence, and then reword that sentence to something akin to, "Photoshop was historically a raster-based image editor, in contrast to Illustrator's emphasis on vectors. As Photoshop has evolved, more recent versions have incorporated the ability to edit simple vector and shape elements." If you want to briefly describe the difference between pixels and vectors, or simply link Wiki's raster graphics article, I'm sure that would be sufficiently illuminative. Alexdi (talk) 21:32, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Primary market leader
I think I know what "It is the current market leader" would mean, but in "It is the current and primary market leader" does the word "primary" add anything to the meaning? JamesBWatson (talk) 20:04, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Suggestions
Giving this article a C, I would recommend some parts of the article, such as the "Plugins" section, be lengthened.  - down  load  |   sign!  18:51, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Please create an article titled "Photoshop Engineering"  It exists, and more than ever. Imagery is being manipulated. --96.244.248.77 (talk) 03:16, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Killer PC application
The article states photoshop was "one of the early 'killer applications' on the PC.", which is a bit misleading. The referenced article states it became a must have for design professional on the [IBM] PC in 1994, which is not early in the development of the PC. It says it had been a killer application on the Mac since 88, which is arguably early.

I suggest changing the term 'PC' to either 'Mac', 'Desktop Computer', 'Microcomputer' or another term that does not imply an IBM-compatible Thelem (talk) 09:58, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Agreed...I didn't want to start a Mac vs. PC debate, but Macs have been, are, and always will be industry standard design hardware. "Killer PC application"...honestly... --DanzaBarr (talk) 15:31, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Cost?
How much does this thing cost, cuz I want to buy one.-- Matematx  23:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matematx (talk • contribs)

It costs 5 bucks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.248.67.53 (talk) 23:21, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind i found it out it's 700$-- Matematx  23:45, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Pixel-based image editor?
Re. the following: "Photoshop is a pixel-based image editor, unlike Adobe Illustrator, which is a vector-based image editor." 1) Is there consensus in calling Photoshop pixel-based as opposed to raster-based? The "dots of color" don't necessarily represent pixels (for images intended for print for example). 2) Is there consensus in calling either application an "image editor"? Editing images is only one of the things you can do with either. Better might be, "Photoshop is primarily a raster editor, as opposed to Illustrator, which is primarily vector-based." Something like that. Focomoso (talk) 23:52, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

ACR, Camera Raw, Adobe Camera Raw
I just added a paragraph about this to the Plugin section. This is so that searches for terms such as "Adobe Camera Raw", "ACR", etc, can be directed here rather than the DNG page they were redirecting to, which was completely inappropriate. I wondered whether the paragraph should have gone into the Photoshop plugin page, but it appears to be a special case. ACR is freely available and comes with Photoshop automatically. (I suspect it is by far the best known plugin, but typically not as a plugin). The reason it is a plugin isn't for the normal reasons for plugins noted there, it is so that it can easily be replaced a number of times during the life of a single version of Photoshop, to cater for new cameras. It isn't intended that anyone else ever provides an alternative, and as far as the user is concerned it hardly appears to be a plugin at all. It is more like part of Photoshop. Barry Pearson 13:19, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Adobe CS5 features
http://cs5.org/?p=415 is a video preview of what Adobe Labs are currently experimenting on with Adobe Photoshop CS5. Check back there for more info, just thought the link would be useful for the article in the future. ★ Ffgamera ★ - My page! · Talk to me!· Contribs 09:12, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Revision 324679488
This is more about articles in general. Usually I notice that articles which have anything that is obvious vandalism get reverted in seconds or just a few minutes. It wasn't until 36:09 hours later that another user reverted this article instead of a Bot reverting it. What happened there? Mechamind90 (talk) 20:03, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Screenshot
How come is the main screenshot about the Windows version?--151.64.235.142 (talk) 20:31, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Version 4?
Has it disappeared somewhere? It isn't in the table but I'm pretty sure I used it in the late 1990's. -- Henriok (talk) 15:50, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

PSD file format
Shouldn't there be a lot more information about the different .psd file formats? What are the differences between the versions? How open are they? Are they interoperable? How good is third party support? How does it compare to OpenRaster? Etc.pp. Maybe there is even room for an article of it's own, like for .doc?--78.48.140.142 (talk) 11:39, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

When was PNG support added?
What version introduced PNG read/write support as a part of the standard install? ---70.167.58.6 (talk) 21:15, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup of the Release/Version History & this Discussion page
The Release/Version History sections could and should be combined since they are telling the same stuff twice. Also this discussion page could be cleaned up from stuff that has already been added. --Diblidabliduu (talk) 09:03, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Needs Illustrations of Images PhotoShopped
This article needs illustrations of what PhotoShop can do. Right now all the illustration are rather corporate and simply illustrate the logo and software.

I tried to add an image of something 'PhotoShopped' by way of example (which was removed). If this image was not suitable, then another sample (or a few) should be used.

Otherwise this article is for those who already know what a PhotoShopped image looks like. Before/After images would be especially helpful.

kt 21:33, 18 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kathleen5454 (talk • contribs)

--kt 01:50, 19 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kathleen5454 (talk • contribs)
 * Support the Before/After image. It would be a nice addition to the article. --M4gnum0n (talk) 22:39, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

CS3, CS4 etc
What are CS3, CS4 etc. The terms first appear as headings but are not explained. Are these version numbers? In which case the article should say so. Maybe change the headings to "Version CS3" etc. Also what if anything does "CS" in this context stand for? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.155.180.187 (talk) 21:54, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * CS refers to Creative Suite, and yes they are 'versions' of sorts. --Northerlywind (talk) 02:22, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

New image/caption
The addition of this image and caption seems to be disputed. As I do not wish to get into an edit/revert war, can we get some opinions about this edit? Also see my comment on the editor's talk page. —danhash (talk) 21:20, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I have no idea how come you can't read and understand the caption, it seems fine to me. Well however even if the caption is unreadable by some people doesn't mean it's not useful, someone else can make the caption better. The picture is to describe what can Photoshop does, i don't see any problem with it. Give me an example of a picture that could be useful? If you have a better picture to describe Photoshop then go ahead and add it. I think we should keep it for now until someone else found a better one or we can use both.Trongphu (talk) 21:28, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I really don't mean to be offensive, and please do not take this the wrong way, but your English is not very good. It's certainly pretty much understandable, but I am a native English speaker and I'm telling you that the sentence you added as the image caption is not proper English, it's hard to understand, and it doesn't belong. I would be glad to help you write a better caption, and I'm sure other editors would be glad to help as well. But I don't see how any caption would make that image better suited to the article. As I said already, the image is simply a random photograph with random effects applied—it does not show the power of Photoshop and it is not at all a notable image. As an example of the types of images that would be better suited to the article, I'd recommend taking a look at a site like worth1000.com where contests are held for the most talented Photoshop users. A freely-licensed image from a site like that would be a great addition. I'm sure commons has good images as well. Anyone else care to comment? —danhash (talk) 05:39, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Take a look at the images in photoshop contest. Or possibly better, before and after versions of images that have made it to featured picture status. —danhash (talk) 06:04, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Does it need to be a notable image to be added to the article? I doubt it, most of the images just need to describe about the subject, that's what the images for. I do agree that there are a lot of better pictures than mines but well your reason to remove my images are not convincing me despite the fact that my grammar is wrong. Well i'm going to just add a better image of someone else i guess.Trongphu (talk) 15:57, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Photoshop CS6 for Mac require Mac OS X 10.6.x or newer

 * Mac OS X 10.5.8 was the mini-requirement for CS5 not CS6
 * Source:http://blogs.adobe.com/photoshopdotcom/2012/03/photoshop-cs6-operating-system-support-and-beyond.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.171.137 (talk) 14:06, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Straighten??
"CS6 brings the "straighten" tool to Photoshop" - does it? I've been using that from the ruler tool of CS5 for a while. Could someone clarify this? Otherwise it's worth a change methinks. --Tom dl (talk) 00:26, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Russell Brown
The link to Russell Brown goes to Russell Leslie Brown, the Scottish Labour Party Politician. I think they were really referring to Russell Preston Brown (I.e. Russell Brown Show) .... ? There is no page for Russell Preston Brown, though.

Ll1324 (talk) 00:09, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Last version
I suggest adding sentence "The last available version of photoshop is ___, released in ____." in main (first) paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.138.33.53 (talk) 18:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Puppet warp
"Similar to the content-aware tool, the puppet warp tool reveals Photoshop’s intelligence..." This sounds like marketing collateral. Kortoso (talk) 21:43, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

C++ citation dubious
The citation for the use of C++ as the development language references a forum message where someone with no obvious connection with Adobe responded to a question with the claim - itself having no provenance. Should be removed or referenced to a stronger source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.93.15 (talk) 18:49, 10 July 2012‎ (UTC)
 * Hello


 * I verified your claim and your concern is indeed well-placed. The source in question is not approved by . I will remove the claim immediately.


 * Best regards,
 * Codename Lisa (talk) 03:59, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

The source code for Photoshop released by Adobe shows that it was developed in C++ QuentinUK (talk) 02:37, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Scott Bakula image
This image looks unnecessary and inappropriate for this article. I'm not sure if it qualifies as vandalism, but it seems like it's more about the self-promotion of the "random man" than about Adobe Photoshop. Thoughts, anyone? Wikipedian77 (talk) 17:26, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Scott Bakula is a well known actor famous for playing Samuel Beckett in a critically acclaimed movie. QuentinUK (talk) 02:41, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Version history
The version history in the current revision all in all only holds one single sentence for all the Photoshop versions prior to CS1. That is not much. The section should probably summarize the entire version history of PS, not just focus on CS1 - CS6. – Acdx (talk) 09:28, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Don't forget that there is a separate page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Photoshop_version_history for the version history. This main page really should link to that instead of duplicating information.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.143.178.247 (talk) 19:39, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

photoshop touch
what is the difference from a standart photoshop? (Idot (talk) 05:16, 30 May 2012 (UTC))

Touch is an application designed to work on current tablets - it cannot handle large images, can only handle a few layers, can only read and write a few file formats, and does not have most of the tools or adjustments found in Photoshop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.143.178.247 (talk) 19:48, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Photoshop for Solaris and IRIX
Hi, Photoshop was available for Unix operating systems Solaris and Irix in the '90s, version 3.0.1 is named. (An Adobe employee says so in the forum at https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1555315?start=0&tstart=0). It would be nice to learn more about platforms supported in the past. Has anyone reputable sources, maybe some book to reference?--109.90.132.122 (talk) 17:16, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

CS6 latest version
Can anyone proove that the latest CS6 version of Photoshop was 13.1.3? I haven't ever seen this version, but saw 13.1.2. Where someone with 175.110.182.177 ip adress got version 13.1.3? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Komsomolec 1 (talk • contribs) 08:09, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

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file format
Has anyone on this Wikipedia page or its Talk page dealt with the following stackoverflow.com citation? (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5355708/psd-file-format) I would venture that it deserves mention.

Here is the citation:

There's also some Objective-C code on Google Code (should be easily understandable for anyone with a C++ background), also source of this gem, which appears to sum it up nicely: At this point, I'd like to take a moment to speak to you about the Adobe PSD format. PSD is not a good format. PSD is not even a bad format. Calling it such would be an insult to other bad formats, such as PCX or JPEG. No, PSD is an abysmal format. Having worked on this code for several weeks now, my hate for PSD has grown to a raging fire that burns with the fierce passion of a million suns. If there are two different ways of doing something, PSD will do both, in different places. It will then make up three more ways no sane human would think of, and do those too. PSD makes inconsistency an art form. Why, for instance, did it suddenly decide that these particular chunks should be aligned to four bytes, and that this alignement should not be included in the size? Other chunks in other places are either unaligned, or aligned with the alignment included in the size. Here, though, it is not included. Either one of these three behaviours would be fine. A sane format would pick one. PSD, of course, uses all three, and more. Trying to get data out of a PSD file is like trying to find something in the attic of your eccentric old uncle who died in a freak freshwater shark attack on his 58th birthday. That last detail may not be important for the purposes of the simile, but at this point I am spending a lot of time imagining amusing fates for the people responsible for this Rube Goldberg of a file format. Earlier, I tried to get a hold of the latest specs for the PSD file format. To do this, I had to apply to them for permission to apply to them to have them consider sending me this sacred tome. This would have involved faxing them a copy of some document or other, probably signed in blood. I can only imagine that they make this process so difficult because they are intensely ashamed of having created this abomination. I was naturally not gullible enough to go through with this procedure, but if I had done so, I would have printed out every single page of the spec, and set them all on fire. Were it within my power, I would gather every single copy of those specs, and launch them on a spaceship directly into the sun. PSD is not my favourite file format. Just so you are warned. :)

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About the banner image
Why the are watermarked? Isn't there are rule that forbid the use of watermarked image in Wikipedia? 202.137.15.149 (talk) 03:14, 6 October 2016 (UTC)sameer

Distinctive concepts (e.g. layers) need to be defined/explained
There's a long history of graphics editing programs, and many of them have not used the concept of layers. Nevertheless, layers are presumed to be already understood by the reader throughout this article, as if anyone who ever used any paint program will know what they are and how they fit into the overall scheme. Somebody needs to rectify this (and similar presumptions vis-à-vis any other distinctive concepts that may currently be getting taken for granted.)

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