Talk:Afghan Mellat Party

This is an encyclopedia not a base for fascists
If you look around you will not find a more biased (anti-Pashtun) page in entire Wikipedia. I would keep it like this for the moment However once I collect the right information, I will try to give a new structure and provide a non-biased introduction to Afghan Mellat party. (Ketabtoon (talk) 05:39, 22 July 2009 (UTC))

Split article
separate articles should be formed for the two current parties. One would have to chose between according this namespace to Wakman's party (since it has obtained official registration to the name) or to have this namespace for Afghan Mellat up to the 1980s, and create two separate articles: --Soman (talk) 11:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Afghan Social Democratic Party (Afghan Mellat) official name of Wakman's party
 * Afghan Mellat National Progressive Party, which appears to be the name that shams ul-huda's faction is working under.
 * says shams ul-huda's group is the breakaway. --Soman (talk) 11:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

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I have reverted the recent edits by that distorted facts, removed valid information, and deleted/distorted sources. Tajik (talk) 00:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I had to revert. The party is considered ethnocentric and Pashtun nationalist by many experts. Two sources from the German Konrad Adenauer Stiftung have been presented, as well as Zalmay Khalilzad. You cannot delete sourced information. Tajik (talk) 22:10, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Wikipedians should try to read Wikipedia's policy regarding Neutral point of view


 * Right now there is no way we can call this a neutral article. For more information please read:
 * Neutrality disputes and handling
 * Neutrality and verifiability


 * I will quote the first paragraph from Neutrality and Verifiability "A common type of dispute occurs when an editor asserts that a fact is both verifiable and cited, and should therefore be included. In these types of disputes, it is important to note that verifiability lives alongside neutrality: it does not override it. A matter that is both verifiable and supported by reliable sources might nonetheless be used in a way that is not neutral."


 * Here is another quote from the same place:


 * "Verifiability is only one content criterion. Neutral point of view is a core policy of Wikipedia, mandatory, non-negotiable, and to be followed in all articles." and another interesting point that is mentioned there, "Concerns related to undue weight, non-neutral fact selection and wording, and advancing a personal view, are not addressed even slightly by asserting that the matter is verifiable and cited."   (Ketabtoon (talk) 19:56, 25 July 2009 (UTC))

Reference do not verify the claim
"It has been called ethno fascist by its critics." is a quote form the first paragraph. The editor has given the following PDF file as a source. However, the PDF file does not mention anything about Afghan Mellat Party.

The other reference does mention that the party is ethno-nationalist but it does not say anything about the party being "ETHNO-FASCIST". The author states that "it is called Pashtunist, even ‘fascist’, by its critics." (Page 8), but he does not mention anything about the critics. So, who are the critics? Neither does the author of the book nor we know who the critics are. (Ketabtoon (talk) 00:49, 29 July 2009 (UTC))
 * ? You present the same KAS pdf twice. The document in question does mention that

and known amongst Afghans mainly for its advocacy of a Greater Afghanistan (or Pashtunistan), it is called Pashtunist, even ‘fascist’, by its critics. Its leaders, meanwhile, described it as a ‘third force which is moderate, national and progressive’45." The reference in question is Eng. Istiqlal, Afghan Millat (Peshawar), 5 Jan. 1988. government and is a major player in the Pashtun camp. ... A network of NGOs close to it helps to mobilise support in the provinces, not only in Pashtun areas. Still predominantly Pashtun, it is trying to shed its old Pashtunist image and is making efforts to mobilize among other ethnic groups.143" So the term 'ethno-fascist' is not supported by the KAS document, however the document labels the party as an ethno-nationalist political party, and states that it has been labelled by opponents. --06:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * "Founded by Ghulam Muhammad Farhad44 in March 1966,
 * "Amongst the ethno-nationalists, Afghan Millat has profoundly thrown in its lot with the


 * There is a big difference between Ethno-nationalist and Ethno-Fascist. Bloc Quebecois, French Canadian Party based in Quebec, is ethno-nationalist as well. That does not mean that they are fascist. Afghan Millat is very similar to Bloc Quebecois or any other nationalist party. Almost every single political party in Afghansitan is ethno-nationalist (there memebers are from a single ethnic group, they reperesent a single ethnic group, they work for the interest of a singel ethnic group). We have to differentiate between "fascist" and "nationalist".


 * The referenc, Eng. Istiqlal, Afghan Millat (Peshawar), 5 Jan. 1988, only proves the following statement "Its leaders, meanwhile, described it as a ‘third force which is moderate, national and progressive"


 * Eng. Istiqlal is a member of Afghan Mellat as well and the information was taken from Afghan Mellat magazine from Eng. Istiqlal's editorial.


 * The author,Thomas Ruttig, does not verify who the critics are. If they existed, than he would have obviously mentioned about them. (Ketabtoon (talk) 07:36, 29 July 2009 (UTC))


 * These are the two sources they have given
 * * 5) http://lda.ucdavis.edu/old_site/faculty/allan/2003reth.pdf
 * * 4) http://www.kas.de/db_files/dokumente/7_dokument_dok_pdf_9674_2.pdf  (Ketabtoon (talk) 07:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC))

Afghan Mellat & Socialist International
If I have deleted any thing which I shouldn't have and have broken any policies, I apologies for that and I appreciate neutral Wikipedians to solve the dispute. Thank you (Ketabtoon (talk) 18:55, 20 October 2009 (UTC))

"Although the party describes itself as social democratic, it is not a member of the Socialist International." (Wikipedia)

ASDP is considered a socialist and democratic political party by the Socialist International and they were a member of the organization. As a representative of ASDP, Mohammad Amin Wakman attended World Congress of the Social Democratic Parties in 1980, 1984 and 1988 in Spain and Portugal, 1992 in Berlin, Germany and 1997 in New York, USA. Socialists International have even mentioned about ASDP in their journals, Socialist affairs and Women & politics.,.

In one of SI's journals, they write, "The Afghan Social Democratic Party, ASDP, celebrated its 25th anniversary in Peshawar, Pakistan, on 8 March 1991. The ASDP is the oldest social democratic party..."

(Ketabtoon (talk) 05:12, 20 October 2009 (UTC))
 * The official website of the Socialist International - http://www.socialistinternational.org/ - does not have any references to Afghan Mellat. In fact, there is a map of all countries with member parties. Afghanistan is not among them. "Afghan Mellat" is a self-proclaimed "social-democratic party", but does not have that status among official international socialist organizations. Tajik (talk) 16:13, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Excuse me. Did you go through the information that I provided? They might not be in the list now, but they were a member of Socialist International for a long time. It would be a good idea for you to check their official Journals, where they have mentioned that "ASDP is a social democratic party". In order to be a member of Socialist International, you have to pay a membership fee and so on. The party is not in their current list, because they have not updated their membership with Socialist International.  (Ketabtoon (talk) 16:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC))


 * I am not interested in their official journals, because they can claim whatever they want in those journals. They also claim that they are not ethno-fascist, although a whole bunch of reliable sources agree that they are ethnocentrists. You did what you do most of the time: going to google books and picking selectively some quotes. You do not know any of those works, you only quote a few words. The one sentence that you have quoted is just the beginning of the sentence. You do not even know how to finish that sentence, because the snipped view does not show all of it. That is certainly WP:POV and WP:OR. As for them being "social democrats": social democratic and socialist parties are all united in the Socialist International movement. If parties are not recognized as members or rejected membership, then they are NOT - I repeat: they are NOT - regarded "social democratic". This has nothing to do with membership fees. That, again, is your own POV and OR, of course totally unsourced (as always). Tajik (talk) 17:03, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * No one is interested where you care about their journals or not. They are their official journals and whether you like it or not, you cannot push your anti-Pashtun ethnic POV in this wikipedia. Selective sourcing, that is exactly what you are doing in here. Have you looked at your selective sources? (Ketabtoon (talk) 17:13, 20 October 2009 (UTC))

I have removed the bold part of the following line "The party was founded by Ghulam Mohammad Farhad, a German-educated Pashtun intellectual fascinated by some aspects of Nazi policy.". Even though the information is sourced, it is not relevant to the article. The main reason why User:Tajik insists on adding that part is to give the entire political party a negative image. First of all, Mohammad Farhad was among 62 other members (including some non-Pashtun Tajik and Hazara) who founded this party and Farhad was elected as the first president of the party. Second, the source does not explain which aspects of Nazi policy was he fascinated by? So, User:Tajik is using this single source to give a negative image to both Ghulam Mohammad Farhad and the ASDP. Even if he insists to add that part, it should not be added to this article, but should be added to Ghulam Mohammad Farhad's article.

User:Tajik's NPOV can be questioned here. (Ketabtoon (talk) 17:11, 20 October 2009 (UTC))


 * Are you saying that the Nazis has good policies? If so, then please elaborate. I think it is clear to everyone that you remove that sourced material (taken from a paper published by the renowned Konrad Adenauer Stiftung), because you want to hide facts regarding the party and its FOUNDER. It is generally known (and even mentioned in the source, as well as on the official website of Afghan Mellat), that he had close ties with the Nazis. He even founded the "Afghan Electric Company" with Nazis support and had close economic and technological ties with the Nazis. In 1934, he once again moved to Nazi Germany to ask for support in his dam projects in Afghanistan. He and his associates called their party "nationalist and progressive". What you are doing here is clear POV-pushing and writing propaganda for fascist and ethno-nationalist party. Tajik (talk) 17:22, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Afghanistan had and still has a close tie with Germany. You are using selective material yourself in here. " Ghulam Mohammad Farhad was sent to Germany ", he was sent to Germany by the Government of Afghanistan - it was an official trip. What you are saying is that the Government of Afghanistan was also fascinated by some aspects of Nazis? He and his associates called their party as an Afghan Nationalist party not a Pashtun Nationalist party. Among the 62 founders of the party, there were non-Pashtun Tajiks and Hazaras (General Fateh Mohammad Khan Hazara) as well. However, I do agree that their main focus is on Pashtuns and Pashto, but that does not make the fascists. If you read other sources, you will clearly see that they are talking about Afghan nationalism not ethnic nationalism.    (Ketabtoon (talk) 17:34, 20 October 2009 (UTC))
 * "Afghan Mellat" was founded prior to WW2. The equation of the word "Afghan" and the citizens of Afghanistan was established by Zahir Shah's constitution of 1936. That means that Farhad's "Afghan Mellat" had the explicit meaning of "Pashtun nation", and that'S why the party is still regarded as Pashtun nationalist and ethno-fascist. Tajik (talk) 17:41, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Afghan Mellat was founded on 8 March, 1966 (after WW2)  (Ketabtoon (talk) 17:45, 20 October 2009 (UTC))

If you avoid selective sourcing, you will be able to find much more informative sources. The party was also opposed to all forms of colonialism, Zionism, fascism, capitalism, communism, apartheid, and aggression, and it committed itself to the struggle against all types of material, physical, moral, and ideological exploitation.

Link

The Afghan Social Democratic Party, formed in 1966, was the main nationalist political group, and it advocated a truly representative parliamentary democracy. It supported the extension of participation to all Afghans..

Link

(Ketabtoon (talk) 17:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC))


 * It is you who is quoting selectively. You search for specific words in Google Books and then you handpick the information you like. That's exactly why you have removed the reference to the official website of the Socialist International and why you have removed reliable paper by the renowned Konrad Adenauer Stiftung, simply because you do not like the massage and the fact, that the Afghan Mellat party was founded by a highly controversial politician with close ties to Nazis and Nazi Germany, as well as the party's ethnocentrist and fascist policies. That's why it is called "Afghan Mellat", which translates to "Pashtun Nation" (when the party was founded, the word "Afghan" was only used for the Pashtuns). Quoting the website of Afghan Mellat won't help you at all. That's like quoting official websites of Neo-Nazis parties (like that of the German Neo-Nazi party NPD). The NPD, too, claims to be "humanist" and just "nationalist and progressive", just like the Afghan Mellat party. Tajik (talk) 17:47, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I googled "Afghan Social Democratic Party" with the quotes and you are very welcome to do that. The term "Afghan Mellat" refers to "Afghan Nation". At the time, Afghan was not used for ethnic Pashtuns, but it was used and is still used as a nationality for all the residents of Afghanistan. You are making stuff from yourself in here. Read the constitution of Afghanistan. Did you read what I quoted from Afghan Mellat's website? I sourced the part where they mentioned names of those members who founded the party, and General Fateh Mohammad Khan Hazara was one of them. Among the 62 founders, there were also Tajiks. I didn't quote information where the Afghan Mellat has claimed that they are angels.


 * Why are you ignoring Socialist International's journals? They clearly mention that Afghan Mellat is a social democratic party. (Ketabtoon (talk) 17:55, 20 October 2009 (UTC))


 * I know the website of Afghan Mellat. I have read the German version of it, which is far more detailed. Your claims are irrelevant. There was more ethnic diversity in Tahir Badakhshi's movement than in "Afghan Mellat". The party is regarded ethno-centrist and fascist, and the only ones who are supporting the party are people like you: people with clear affinities toward Pashtun nationalism. However, all of this does still not change the fact that you have deleted sourced material. Selective quoting is easy. Everone can do that. Check this one out. It calls Afghan Mellat "ultra-nationalist" and focused on "Pashtunistan and Pashtun language". Or this one, or this one. Tajik (talk) 17:59, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I deleted sources because the first one doesn't prove that Afghan Mellat is not a socialist and democratic political party. They say that Afghan Mellat is currently not registered with Socialist International. However, I have sourced their journals which prove that Afghan Mellat was a member of Socialist International and they are considered as a social democratic party by the SI. The second source along with the information was deleted because they do not belong to this article. This article is about ASDP, not Farhad and his fascination of some Nazi policies. Farhad was among 62 other members who founded and started the party. You are using one person's background and one person's (Konrad Adenauer Stiftung) reference to give a negative image to the entire party. Isn't that SELECTIVE SOURCING?  (Ketabtoon (talk) 18:08, 20 October 2009 (UTC))


 * I haven't removed the part that says Afghan Mellat is a Pashtun nationalist party. There is a difference between Fascism and Nationalism. How many sources can you find which labels Afghan Mellat as a fascist party? Here are some other Pashtun nationalist parties Awami National Party, Pakhtun-khwa Milli Awami Party and []. You have to differentiate between Nationalism and Fascism.   (Ketabtoon (talk) 18:10, 20 October 2009 (UTC))


 * You deleted the part that says its founder was fascinated by some aspects of Nazi ideology. Tajik (talk) 18:13, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Why did you put that part in the article? What were your intentions behind that? It is very obvious that the sentence was used to give a negative image to the entire party. The way you are adding material to this article is not of GOOD FAITH, but pure hatred towards Afghan Mellat which is totally against Wikipedia's policies. You are not assuming GOOD FAIT when editing this article. Again, that part belongs to Farhad's article not the parties page. It is giving the wrong image to an entire party and their members because one of their members (heads) was some how fascinated by some aspects of Nazi policy. (Ketabtoon (talk) 18:17, 20 October 2009 (UTC))
 * The party is regarded ETHNOCENTRIC and FASCIST. Not even YOU - a supporter of Afghan Mellat - reject the FACT that it is Pashtun nationalist, called by some ultra-nationalist and considered to be in the far right. Why should it not be mentioned that its founder was fascinated toward certain aspects of Nazi policy? Do you think that by HIDING that fact, you can elevate the status of Afghan Mellat? It is still a NATIONALIST and ETHNOCENTRIST party and does not havy ANY support among Non-Pashtuns. So the question is: why do YOU remove sourced material? Are you trying to "polish" the article, in order to divert readers? Well, that is called propaganda and WP:POV. And your selective quoting (next to you deleting sourced materia) is also very suspect. Tajik (talk) 18:23, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The party is regarded as a Pashtun Nationalist not a fascist party and that is why they were a member of Socialist International. I don't want to repeat the same stuff over and over. (Ketabtoon (talk) 18:27, 20 October 2009 (UTC))

'''I should say it is a good idea to see what other neutral members (excluding Pashtuns, Tajiks or Iranians) would say. And whatever conclusion they come up with, I will respect that.'''  (Ketabtoon (talk) 18:27, 20 October 2009 (UTC))


 * The party has NEVER been a member of the Socialist International. That is YOUR POV and YOUR OR. Or can you present an official paper by the Socialist International supporting your POV claims?! And the party IS being regarded a "fascist party" by its critics. The source that YOU HAVE DELETED states exactly that! Tajik (talk) 18:41, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

What have I deleted and why?
1) "Although the party describes itself as social democratic, it is not recognized as a member of the Socialist International."

Afghan Mellat is recognized as a social democratic party by Socialist International and they were a member of the organization. I have provided sources which mentions that the head of Afghan Mellat attended SI's conferences and SI has even mentioned about Afghan Mellat in several of their journals like  &. SI writes in their journal "The Afghan Social Democratic Party, ASDP, celebrated its 25th anniversary in Peshawar, Pakistan, on 8 March 1991. The ASDP is the oldest social democratic party...". This is a clear proof that Afghan Mellat is considered as a social democratic party by the Socialist International and they were even a member of that organization.

2) "Ghulam Mohammad Farhad, a German-educated Pashtun intellectual fascinated by some aspects of Nazi policy." and I should have deleted this sentence as well "It has been called ethno fascist by its critics."

According to WP:UNDUE#Undue_weight, "generally, the views of tiny minorities should not be included at all". Farhad being fascinated by some aspects of Nazi policy is only the views of tiny minorities. It is very clear that User:Tajik is using selective 1 or 2 sources to label Afghan Mellat as a Fascist political party and Farhad as a pro Nazi leader of that fascist party. This view is not shared by other critics of Afghan Mellat.

Lets look at a well known and highly respected source. In her book "Red flag over Hindu Kush", Louis Dupree writes, "Surviving liberals were also arrested in Amin's last roundup, including Ghulam Mohammad Farhad (a respected, elderly Social Democrat, popularly called "Papa".... There are tens of other sources which mentions about "Afghan Mellat" or "Afghan Social Democratic Party" and non of them label the party as Fascist or mentions anything about Farhad being fascinated by Nazi policies.

Even if we accept Konrad Adenauer Stiftung's source to prove that Farhad was fascinated by NAZI policies, this article is not the right place to add that information. It should be added to Farhad's articles and that is where it belongs. It is a very controversial claim and it is giving a very negative image to the party and its members.

There is no doubt that Afghan Mellat is a pro-Pashto and Pashtun political party and so are Awami National Party, Pashtoons Social Democratic Party & Pakhtun-khwa Milli Awami Party. Being nationalist is one thing while being fascist is something else. Afghan Mellat is no different than Bloc Québécois, a French-Canadian nationalist party. (Ketabtoon (talk) 01:59, 21 October 2009 (UTC))


 * I can only repeat what I had explained to you in earlier discussions: your writings clearly prove that you are not a scholar, that you probably have no idea what you are talking about. Your lack of understanding and your failure to differentiate or to evaluate sources also prove that you have never written a scholarly paper, a scholarly report, or a dissertation.
 * You do some searching on google books, and then you claim that "Afghan Mellat was recognized by the Socialist International, although this WP:POV and WP:OR of yours is contradicted by the official website of the Socialist International. So far, you have not been able to provide a clear and direct proof that this party is accepted or recognized by the SI or that it was a member of it. Citing some book saying that the party is "social democratic" or that it is considered as such as NOT a proof for your claim. Only an official writing of the SI can prove your claim, and you won't be able to provide any such proof, because it does NOT EXIST. "Afghanistan Mellat" is a self-proclaimed social-democratic party. It is NOT recognized or accepted by the international community of social-democratic or socialist parties. EOD. The rest is just propaganda, POV, and OR. You delete a respected and reliable source (Konrad Adenauer Stiftung) because you do not like its message. That is clearly against the rules of Wikipedia. You also refuse to give the exact quote by Louis Dupree, the exact name of the book/paper, etc. Leaving that aside: a nationalist, ethnocentric, and fascist party can NEVER be "social democratic". The similarity of "Afghan Mellat" with and its links to Nazi Germany and its policies is also described in this book. Tajik (talk) 16:16, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I have given "Socialist affairs and Women & politics", Socialist International's official journal as a reference. I have provided an exact quote from Louis Dupree's book and I have written the name of the book as well.


 * I have read "Afghanistan, the Soviet invasion in perspective" and that is why I said you only have 2/3 sources that mention that. The book writes "The political right was the "Afghan Mellat", a political party that dated from the 1960s and promoted national democratic socialism. Although ostensibly in favor of constitutional monarchy at that time, the main planks of its platform - racially oriented nationalism, jingoistic territorial ambitions (it wished to restore Afghanistan to its eighteenth -century borders), and implacable hatred for the West - had more in common with Nazi doctrine than with democracy.". The book is saying that the party's racially oriented nationalism, jingoistic territorial ambitions and implacable hatred for the west. It is not only Afghan Mellat, but the entire Pashtun community of Afghanistan hates the west and they are supporters of Greater Afghanistan (Afghanistan + NWFP + Balochistan). As we can see, you are using selective sources to push your ethnic POV and hatred towards Afghan Mellat.


 * Let's see what another source writes "Officially formed in the mid-1960s under the name Afghan Social Democratic Party, this political formation has undergone major changes that include factional splits. The party was originally steeped in Pashtun nationalism and favored the formation of a "Greater Afghanistan" that would include Pakistan's North-West Frontier Province. Ahadi was chosen to lead Afghan Nation in 1995, and the party has since distanced itself from its early doctrine but still favors increased rights for Pashtuns - especially promoting the Pashto language. Afghan Nation backed Hamid Karzai's presidential bid. Party leader Ahadi now serves as Karzai's Finance Minister; his father-in-law, Sayyed Ahmad Gailani, heads the National Islamic Front of Afghanistan." (Azadi Radio )   (Ketabtoon (talk) 19:15, 21 October 2009 (UTC))


 * You did not give any source. You just did what you have learnt to do in the past weeks: selective search for certain words. That's the reason why you can't even quote the entire paragraph. So far, you have not given any official source by the Socialist International, explicitly stating that "Afghan Mellat" is a member of the SI, because the official website of the SI does not mention Afghan Mellat (or any other party from Afghanistan) at all. Your reference to "CRW Flags' Online Catalog" is laughable! And your claim that "Greater Afghanistan"/"Greater Pashtunistan" also includes Baluchistan really reflects the Nazi-inspired ideas of "Afghan Mellat" and their ideological offspring, the Taliban. Wikipedia is not going to be a mouth-piece or a propaganda tool for Pashtun-nationalist propaganda for the Taliban. Tajik (talk) 19:35, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * "CRW Flags" has quoted Azadi Radio's website and they have even provided a link to their site, however that page is not available any more. Why are you not reading the replies properly? I didn't say me, but the Pashtuns of Afghanistan claim that Greater Pashtunistan includes (Baluchistan as well) & . However, that is not the point.


 * I hope the Admins and other Wikipedians have noticed User:Tajik's hatred toward Afghan Mellat and now the Taleban as well. How can he keep NPOV and GOOD FAITH when he has so much hatred toward Afghan Mellat? This is exactly why I am saying that User Tajik is only trying to push his anti-Pashtun POV in Wikipedia in general and Afghan Mellat in particular.  (Ketabtoon (talk) 19:48, 21 October 2009 (UTC))


 * Thank you for indirectly admitting that you are writing propaganda for Afghan Mellat (a party with Nazi-like ideology) and the Taliban (a Pashtun-nationalist and Islamist grouping and an off-spring of "Afghan Mellat"). EoD. A small note to others: "Azadi Radio" is a Pashto broadcast that acts as a mouth-piece of "Afghan Mellat" and pro-Taliban groupings in Afghanistan, including Gulbudin Hekmatyar who is considered a terrorist by the US and allied nations. Tajik (talk) 20:00, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Azadi Radio is part of "Radio Free Europe - Radio Liberty". For Afghanistan, They broadcast both in Pashto and Dari like BBC, VOA and other well known international news agencies. This is their official website http://www.rferl.org and here is Afghanistan's section http://www.rferl.org/section/Afghanistan/149.html (Ketabtoon (talk) 20:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC))
 * "Azadi Radio" and "Radio Free Europe" are different broadcasting companies. Tajik (talk) 01:29, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Apparently, they are not. Check their logos and see the top-right menu in their site under "Local Languages" http://www.rferl.org/section/Afghanistan/149.html where they have provided a link to both the Dari and Pashto sections.  (Ketabtoon (talk) 01:45, 23 October 2009 (UTC))
 * Since the links is not working, you cannot cite that anyway. Tajik (talk) 10:17, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The page was dedicated for the 2009 presidential elections where they listed over 80 political parties and the name of their leaders (and they give a brief introduction to the major parties. I did look around to find that page, but it looks like they have deleted the page. However, when I find that page, I will post it.


 * You asked me to complete the quote taken from Louis Dupree's book, "Red flag over Hindu Kush". Let me quote the full sentence, "Surviving liberals were also arrested in Amin's last roundup, including Ghulam Mohammad Farhad (a respected, elderly Social Democrat, popularly called "Papa Ghulam," publisher of the newspaper Afghan Mellat (Afghan Nation), during the 1963-1973 constitutional period), and his brother, Qudratullah Hadad (editor of Afghan Mellat, when the Daoud government banned the free press in July 1973)."

Afghan Mellat´s downfall
http://www.afghanpaper.com/nbody.php?id=17941

Afghan Mellat is going down--94.219.196.21 (talk) 21:51, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Afghan Mellat´s relationship to Taliban and other islamic fundamentalist Pashtun groups
https://ronna-afghan.harmonieweb.org/Pages/AfghanPoliticalParties.aspx --94.219.196.21 (talk) 21:56, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

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 * Hmmm… I’ll try to establish contact with a member of the party. AfghanParatrooper19891 (talk) 13:40, 20 May 2024 (UTC)