Talk:Agent Smith

Original Research
This whole thing smacks of someone favoring their own interpretation. Stop deleting valid additional comparisons. -Izawwlgood

The article is fascinating, but the whole thing smacks of original research. Are these conclusions, influences and inferences actually documented somewhere, or created for this page? If they can be sourced they should be, if not they should be removed.

Reviewing the archive, this is not the first time the article has been tagged, nor were many of those concerns addressed. Please do not remove the tag without either sourcing the claims or providing a rationale here why they are not OR. --Chancemichaels 20:20, 10 October 2007 (UTC)Chancemichaels

I agree, there's a lot of interpretation going on here. An ordinary viewer watching the movie would be hard pressed to come to any of these conclusions about the fight between Neo and Agent Smith. --71.202.181.84 (talk) 21:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

There is definitely too much unsourced opinion. But I propose we go step by step through each section and determine what should be removed to make it an acceptable article that can be verified by watching the movie. Hutch1970 (talk) 21:59, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

The statement about Agent Smith being named after Will Smith seems unlikely. I think it should be removed. I cannot find a reference to verify it. ... so I removed this comment and notified the user account who had added it: (User talk:72.174.34.195) in case they want to re-add with citation. (WP:BOLD) -- Michael Barkowski (talk) 19:18, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Smith's Revelation/Prophecy
I was wondering if there was a specific source that stated Smith's powers of foresight came directly from absorbing the oracle, or if there was sufficient evidence to prove that did anything whatsoever to alter Smith's identity. I would instead suggest that Smith has falsely prophesied his own victory in an act of all too human arrogance, and that his final remark to Neo, where he fails to address him as "Mr. Anderson," is instead his realization of Neo as his equal, and despite all Neo's rational short-comings, Smith's recognition of Neo as a respected and worthy entity. 144.13.226.143 19:06, 18 October 2007 (UTC) I was wondering if neo and smith will be in the matrix online and you get to be neo and smith calls you mr.anderson everytime he sees you but anyone plz plz plz repley to me with the answer THXS !!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.90.253 (talk) 08:39, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Smith absorbtion question
What happens to the humans who were overtaken by agent Smith? Do they die or just regress into a deep sleep or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Murakumo-Elite (talk • contribs) 08:21, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

IMO, the overtaking of the entire matrix by Smith was the way for the system to be rebooted without any human who was "plugged in" noticing. As far as I know, the human host was in a coma-like state until either the agent left the body, or the agent was killed (which had not ever happened until the appearance of the One). 65.248.164.214 (talk) 21:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Picture
I think the picture (Image:Smithposter.jpg from Matrix Revolutions) is not optimal. Could someone perhaps provide a screencapture from one of the Matrix films? I think it's not really necessary to show multiple Smiths, just a full-length shot of him to illustrate what he looks like. -- Lea (talk) 04:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Contradiction
In the Against the Anomaly section it says "This is the only time that Smith does not call him "Mr. Anderson" to his face" while at the end of the Stylistic Geneology section it includes "He calls him 'Neo' only once in each part of the trilogy. (The first time when he is interviewing Neo about his double life" which is a face-to-face encounter as well.Penguinwithin (talk) 02:24, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Removal of 'Online' section
Why was the section about Smith's role in The Matrix Online removed? I thought it would have been relevant, considering most of the other characters have info about their roles on The Matrix Online. Ggctuk (talk) 13:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Its only for a anniversery purpouse agent smith was totally deleted during the third movie. Hes gone accept it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.21.232.253 (talk) 07:53, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, excuse me for pointing this out, but the Neo info on his page is far less informative of his status and not relevant after the Race to Find the One event, but that's still there. If we went and got rid of every article that held appearances like that then Wikipedia would have very short articles. All I ask is that the information be checked and IMPROVED UPON. Don't delete anything without reasonable cause (hes gone doesn't sound like reasonable cause) Ggctuk (talk) 09:51, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

then i will take away the part about neo in the matrix online as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.65.173.56 (talk) 12:07, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * All I will say is, prepare for revert wars. I nominate the article to be locked before that happens. Ggctuk (talk) 07:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Can someone add a little segment comparing him to the gman from halflife in his way of speaking? Maybe just a sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.49.127.241 (talk) 23:31, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Male?
The infobox describes Smith as male, but since he's only a computer program I don't think that's accurate. It should be removed or at the very changed to something like "appears male."--Marcus Brute (talk) 00:07, 19 January 2009 (UTC) while he may be a computer program, he is coded to have a "gender," as far as appearance is concerned. He, like many other Matrix Programs, does have the set "gender" by the Matrix. Halofanatic333 (talk) 15:09, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, remember the family of programs Neo meets at the subway station in Revolutions. Clearly, they are male and female programs who have mated and produced a program offspring, so programs must have a designated gender for this to happen.  There's also the Merovingian's sexual escapades to consider, and the Architect's statement that "If I am the father of the Matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother," referring to the Oracle, a female program.  I think it's safe to assume that programs are given a gender to make them seem more human to the people living in the matrix. Justin The Claw (talk) 20:22, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Gender is a social construct and the matrix is a social construct. What's the issue here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.54.176 (talk) 20:13, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Purpose?
The article says that in Reloaded, Smith feels oppressed by the weight of purpose. I don't understand this conclusion. Smith states that "it is purpose that defines us" and that he is here to take from Neo what Neo tried to take from him [purpose]. I can't see how Smith would want to take away from Neo that which is "oppressive." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.31.5 (talk) 05:10, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Sagan influence?
Could it be mentioned how Smith's voice and speech patterns show a direct influence from Carl Sagan? This video is really all I have to go on, but are there any other references that make the connection? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.48.31.243 (talk) 10:14, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree, the resemblance is striking. I wouldn't be surprised if Sagan was indeed the influence for Smith's manner of talking, but I don't know if simply noticing the similarities would justify adding it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.38.205.7 (talk) 20:58, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Design section
First off, the heading is a poor choice of words.

The sentence "...with the exception of Smith's obsession with destroying Neo and his general hatred of humans" should be reworded. Since when does Smith want to destroy Neo's hatred for humankind?

The names of the agents are anglo-saxon, but to refer to them I find implies that the choice was purposefully racist in nature. A more accurate description would be "common American last names" http://names.mongabay.com/most_common_surnames.htm

In general this article has improper/poorly chosen grammar.

I love Smith though. Helluva guy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.54.176 (talk) 20:20, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Rename article?
It should have Matrix(trilogy) or something in the name. Not that there's too many Agent Smiths, although there is a J and K. ;) 71.196.246.113 (talk) 16:04, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Alternative Theories section
..would be a good idea. example: Smith's Actions during Matrix 3 were the CATASTROPHE the Architect warned Neo about during Matrix 2 Neo took the LEFT door, leading to an Unprecedented situation.. which would have crashed the Matrix as predicted.. as Smith was intending to "End all life" !! --Mando Salama (talk) 20:21, 27 March 2014 (UTC)