Talk:Agnes Elisabeth Overbeck

Moved before born?
"After the separation of her parents in 1866, the mother moved with her and her siblings to London." But Agnes Elisabeth was born in 1870!! She moved before she was born? --Kerchemer (talk) 08:28, 19 March 2020 (UTC)


 * The whole article is very unclear. Rathfelder (talk) 15:55, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


 * The article appears to be totally original research and misrepresentation. Some of the sources are non-existent (e.g. 'Ebendort' - who or what is 'Ebendort', the article doesn't say), some don't say as much as the article editors would like to suggest, some seem taken out of context. Crucially, the editor hasn't produced anything to support the identification of Agnes Elisabeth (Ella) Overbeck, composer, with Eugene Onegin, husband of Sigrid Onegin. The main source the editor is relying on, Sophie Fuller: "Devoted Attention": Looking for Lesbian Musicians in Fin-de-siecle Britain, in Queer episodes in music and modern identity. University of Illinois Press, 2002 ISBN 9780252027406, p. 87, doesn't make the connection: the article editor has noted, "Fuller, however, knows nothing about her later life and considers her a real Russian noblewoman." I have also checked google books, and no published source makes a link between Ella Overbeck, Eugene Borisovitch Lvov Onegin, and Sigrid Onegin (nee Hoffmann). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.113.226 (talk) 17:03, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Also to note Fuller reports that "Ella Overbeck" was born in Russia to Russian parents in 1874, was brought by her parents to England as a child, and then was adopted by an English woman. Fuller doesn't specify if "Ella Overbeck" was her birth-name, a name she was given by her adoptive mother, or a pseudonym. "Agnes Elisabeth Overbeck" ("Born in Düsseldorf, a great-granddaughter of the Lübeck mayor Christian Adolph Overbeck, a great-niece of the painter Friedrich Overbeck and a niece of the archaeologist Johannes Overbeck") may be a different person again - or just a fiction dreamt up by an imaginative wiki editor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.113.226 (talk) 18:37, 5 April 2021 (UTC)