Talk:America's Next Top Model/Archive 1

Article needs protection
With Cycle 9 premiering in September, many users have been posting false information for it. These include contestant names, winners, number of contestants, and the international destination. They all insist they are truth yet provide no actual evidence to support it aside from "i swear its true." There is one anonymous user in particular who has been persistently posting the same list of names every time it is removed. It has happened in cycles past but this time around it is more severe and much more of a nuisance. To avoid this vandalism I feel that it is in the best interest of the article that it be placed under protection from non-members or newly-registered members.

--Special:Contributions/Dementor654 22:57, 11 December 2007 (UTC)Please protect this article; it has already been edited with the supposedly winner of the competition on the chart.

Air time
is America's next top model going to stop airing after the tenth cycle? icevirgo99

It's an objective fact that Elyse was the coolest.
 * Naah, that sounds like it falls outside the bounds of a Neutral point of view. I'm pretty sure. - Fennec 05:21, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Anyone see the latest one where they went to Tokyo? Bwaaaa ha ha ha ha ha. Exploding Boy 18:26, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

Name links
I think it's time to remove linked names that don't have articles for the first four seasons. Does anyone object? I think it's highly unlikely that these articles will ever be written (which is fine since most are non-notable anyway). Thoughts? --Quasipalm 18:58, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I object, because I have hope that someone will eventually write them. I could be delusional, but hey.  Alixandra 22:06, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that we should check and see which names are actually doing work and who can be discussed in a context besides the show. Elyse, maybe Amanda, Tocarra, Ann, Naima, Eva, Adrianne, Mercedes, Shandi, Yoanna, Brittany, I can see them having their own pages. A lot of the others seem to have fallen through the cracks after their seasons ended. --JamesB3 22:46, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I guess it makes sense to give them more time. --Quasipalm 14:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Top model records?
I have to question "records" such as "Amanda (Cycle 3 - Partially/Night Blind)" and "Most "First Called Out For Safety"" and "First Contestant To Contract Disease During The Show" and "First Contestant Who Tyra Banks Shouted At" and "First Contestant Whose Close Relations Died While Filming" ... and what's up with "Unique Parentage"?

Overall, I think this new section just takes things too far. Plus, I think too many records are geared toward race/ethnicity and firsts and not enough are about achievement. Am I alone on this? --Quasipalm 14:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It is a bit amusing, though. Except it has some errors in it, I'll fix a few.  I don't understand "First Called Out For Safety"? Alixandra 04:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, and that "First European-Originated Contestant," wasn't that Brita, not Jayla? I don't even remember Jayla mentioning being "European-originated."  I'm not 100% positive, so I won't touch it. Alixandra 04:32, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

--- Re: Cycle 5 winner Nicole Linkletter

Tyra Banks announced during the finale party that Linkletter has been chosen by photographer Gilles Bensimon to be shot in Paris for an entire year to do the couture collection photo shoots. Said Tyra, "People don't understand what that is, but in the fashion world, to shoot couture for Elle magazine, with Gilles Bensimon, is huge!". This accomplishment undoubtedly makes Linkletter the most successful woman to emerge from "America's Next Top Model".

While that's a great opportunity for Nicole, I think making the claim that she's the most successful model to emerge from ANTM is a bit premature as she has yet to prove herself. For now we should just wait and see, and perhaps if this prediction comes true, then we can edit the page to say so. Fabricationary 01:10, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

This article needs serious clean up
It's tedious to read, the formatting is terrible and the language is questionable. I would contribute, but I know very little about ANTM. May I make some suggestions? The season subheadings should be organized so that the contestant winner is clearly displayed, the date of original airing and the channel the season was syndicated on. There are too many lists at the bottom of the article, and perhaps should be combined in the season subheadings. In the end, this article should only have 5 subsections: Season 1, season 2, season 3, season 4 and season 5, with all the other information divided into their proper sections. Perhaps at the bottom, some trivia can be added? Or in a seperate article. Good luck Vanessa kelly 23:31, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I've noticed this too, and I've tried to make some changes to this article lately. I overhauled the recaps for Cycles 1, 4, and 5 and hopefully improved them sufficiently. I would do Cycles 2 and 3 as well, though I'm not familiar with those as I am with the others.

Perhaps the names of the contestants from each cycle could be moved underneath the synopsis for each cycle? Does anyone fancy this idea?

As far as the trivia, I think it's gotten a bit out-of-hand. Fabricationary 00:53, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


 * It still needs some serious cleaning up. There is far too much opinion and the facts presented seem random - anecdotes about the odd contestant here and there.  For example, Tyra shouting at Tiffany - Tyra gave as her reason the fact that she knew of Tiffany's obstacles and was angry at her wasting the opportunity.  Yet on a recent body language programme, it was suggested Tyra's anger, and in particular the way she dealt with it, reflected more the fact that Tiffany by laughing was detracting from Tyra's show and not showing the deference that Tyra always insists upon.  THe increasing amount of time we see Tyra chatting with the other girls over each series reflects this: it is Tyra's show, it's all about her and she will have nothing detract from that.  &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.144.132.66 (talk &bull; contribs).
 * So she blows up at her on camera and makes herself look bad to, what, reinstill respect? Besides, I think we might actually be seeing less of Tyra over time (on the show itself), not more of her. - dcljr (talk) 23:22, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the current contents of the page are sufficient. We don't need to include post-show anaylsis, events that happen after the cycle has aired, possible theories behind eliminations/Tyra's motives, and other subjective comments.  I think we've done a good job in just presenting the facts without delving into opinions or other questionable content.  I'd say we're definitely done.  Fabricationary 15:43, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Do minor ANTM contestants deserve their own Wikipedia pages?
I think it is reasonable for the winners, runners-up, and especially notable contestants from each season of Top Model to have their own Wikipedia pages, as these contestants usually have some sort of modeling career following the show. However, I don't think it is especially relevant for other contestants - especially those that have no other claim to fame - to have their own page. Is anyone with me? The specific contestants I am talking about are: Also, I don't think it's reasonable for any contestants from Cycle 5 to get their own pages except for Nik (the runner-up) and Nicole (the winner), unless they do something very notable. Fabricationary 02:42, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Nicole Panattoni (the last I heard of her, she was modeling for adult Halloween costumes...)
 * Giselle Samson (is not modeling anymore)
 * Tiffany Richardson (is not modeling anymore)
 * Rebecca Epley (models, but is not notable)

I think that the models all should have a page because they are all contributors. Giselle was an amazing model in my view and her photos are flawless. Tiffany Richardson and Giselle are both still modeling. Changster785 7:17, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. I am sure that many people out there are wondering what all the contestants are doing these days. I know that Tiffany appeared in a music video ("Naomi" by Dre) most recently, for instance.Peanutbuttercups 18:25, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I see your point, but if anyone is planning to create more pages for contestants, I hope you have more information to contribute than just "____ was on cycle _ of America's Next Top Model. She was eliminated ___th." (Similarly, it would be pointless to only outline what that contestant did on the show since it's probably already on the America's Next Top Model page under that cycle). If that model/contestant has done notable things (in modeling, acting, or otherwise) since the show and apart from the show, I could see how a page might be useful. Fabricationary 18:51, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I am trying to do the Giselle Samson page but I'm really bad at html or whatever, so i was just wondering if any of ya'll could teach/tell me some pointers..thanks:) Changster785 8:23, 22 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd say if you can leave the comment you just made, you know enough to make a page. But it might be a good idea, given the reservations expressed by others above, to start writing the article you have in mind on your user page (follow the red link on your user name) and see if it will be considered "encyclopedic" enough to not get immediately nominated for deletion. &lt;g> Remember that putting double-brackets around something creates a link to another Wikipedia article (if it exists). See Help:Editing for more technical information about editing a page. Oh, and see the links in the welcome I just put on your talk page... - dcljr (talk) 09:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Clean-up complete?
This article is reading a lot better than it was a few weeks ago. Can it be removed from the list now? The synopses for all five cycles have been revamped, and all of the clutter has been removed or reformatted. Fabricationary 06:10, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Records section is baaack
I've reformatted the "records" section and removed the following entries added by ZephyrWind: The race stuff is problematic because I don't think most contestants actually "self-identified" their race during the show. If anything, we might just mention a few of the most relevant "racial" facts (the "white-white pair" entry is going way too far) in a paragraph of the main article. Much of the other stuff might be better listed in a "trivia" section, if at all. I also removed the winners and runners-up because you can glean that information from the contestant list in each cycle. - dcljr (talk) 12:57, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * First White Winner: Adrianne Curry (Cycle 1)
 * First White Runner-Up: Shannon Niquette Stewart (Cycle 1)
 * First African American Winner: Eva Pigford (Cycle 3)
 * First African American Runner-Up: Mercedes Yvette Scelba-Shorte (Cycle 2)
 * Furthest Advancing White-White Pair: Adrianne Curry & Shannon Niquette Stewart (Cycle 1) [Naima Mora & Kahlen Rondot Of Cycle 4 Is Not Considered As The Former Is Of Mixed Parentage]
 * Furthest Advancing African American Pair: Eva Pigford & Yaya Camara Da Costa Johnson (Cycle 3)
 * Furthest Advancing Asian Orient Contestant: April Wilkner, 4th Place (Cycle 2)
 * First Handicapped/Disabled Contestant: Amanda Swafford, suffering from partially/night-blindness (Cycle 3)
 * First Plus-size Model: Robin Manning (Cycle 1)
 * Contestant Most Picked For Accompaniment In A Reward: Brittany Brower, 4 Times (Cycle 4)
 * First Publicly Announced Lesbian: Ebony Haith (Cycle 1)
 * First Publicly Announced Bisexual: Michelle Deighton (Cycle 4)
 * First [And Only] Contestant Who Tyra Banks Shouted At: Tiffany Richardson (Cycle 4)
 * First Contestant To Pass Out During Judging: Rebecca Epley (Cycle 4)
 * First Contestant To Contract Disease During The Show: Michelle Deighton, She Contracted Impetigo (Cycle 4)
 * First Person Whose Close Relations Died During Filming: Kahlen Rondot, Her Best Friend From High School Passed Away (Cycle 4)
 * First Contestants Who Refused Taking A Photo Shoot: Shannon Niquette Stewart & Robin Manning (Cycle 1)
 * First Contestants To Arrive Late For A Shoot: Shannon Niquette Stewart, Robin Manning & Kesse Wallace (Cycle 1)
 * Most Frequently Appeared First Names [Mind Spelling]: Nicole Panattoni (Cycle 1), Nicole Borud (Cycle 3) & Nicole Linkletter (Cycle 5)

hello and apologies
oh er hello everyone. I suppose maybe you've read the "records" section already and from the talk that have sufficed from this, I see that my action of possible ignorance lumping alot of "facts" together could've been seen quite negatively.

For my ignorance I apologise sincerely, and I have to say that after some rectification it does look alot neater and readable.

BTW I didn't post the "original" version including all the parentages thingie. I just found the section quite funny so I decided to re-include it?...

bye bye!

&mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by ZephyrWind (talk &bull; contribs).

Removed rumors
Rumors are by definition non-encyclopedic. Removed the following from the article. - dcljr (talk) 23:57, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Rumored contestant names (by posters @ FansofRealityTV)
 * Eliza
 * Erin
 * Leslie Cruz
 * Nellie
 * Verona
 * Yurika Asami
 * Tara
 * Shawonda
 * Amika
 * Lucy

This section is now back in the article, although not labeled as "rumored" and containing completely different names. Is it now confirmaed information? - dcljr (talk) 00:54, 16 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, the information is now confirmed. The show's official site, http://www.upn.com/shows/top_model6/, has the names and photos of these models posted.  Fabricationary 05:34, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Removal of surnames
I was just wondering why somebody removed the surnames of three of the contestants? If you do some Googling, you will see that the surnames of Sara, Furonda, and Leslie are indeed correct. Peanutbuttercups 01:43, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Never mind. Thanks, Fabricationary! Peanutbuttercups 09:22, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Contestants' Last Names
I was just wondering why somebody removed the surnames of three of the contestants? If you do some Googling, you will see that the surnames of Sara, Furonda, and Leslie are indeed correct. Peanutbuttercups 01:43, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Never mind. Thanks, Fabricationary! Peanutbuttercups 09:22, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Spoiler Warnings
Season descriptions should probably have spoiler warnings before any important information like the final contestants, who won, what the winner did later, etc. Season descriptions could be split in two, with non-spoiler info. (who the contestants are, air dates, etc.) in the first half. - Matthew238 07:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Listing by elimination order two weeks into the season = bad idea
Countless anonymous users have kept editing the page and listing the two eliminated contestants on top under the heading "Contestants in order of elimination" while leaving the vast majority of contestants (who have not been eliminated) on the same list as if they have also been eliminated in that specific order. It is misleading and invites vandals/speculators to change the order of the existing girls to make their own assumptions as to who will be eliminated next/who will win. (Case in point: countless changes to the list shifting the names of Jayla, Nicole, Nik, and Bre last season leading up to the finale)

Therefore, for now, it is logical to list contestants by first name alphabetical order with a note by the names of the already-eliminated girls. Until about half of the girls have been eliminated, this is the most concise and clear way of noting this; after that, two separate lists can be made - "Contestants in order of elimination" and "Contestants still in the running to be America's Next Top Model" or some variation of those two.

I'll keep reverting the page back to this version until enough contestants have been cut to merit a separate list of eliminated contestants.

Fabricationary 04:44, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Article Length
When I started to do a minor edit on this article, a note popped up about its length possibly being larger than preferable. It does take a while to load, in retrospect, and other long-running series covered on Wikipedia (Alias, Survivor, etc.) have successfully been organized into main articles and separate articles for each season. It might make for easier navigation of this information to apply the same organization to America's Next Top Model. Any thoughts? — ArkansasTraveler 15:37, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. I have all the episodes available, so I would be happy to help with summaries. It would take time, but I think it would be much better to have articles for each cycle. Peanutbuttercups 02:37, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * It's just a start, but I have a draft page set up of what Cycle 1 's article would look like. It's available on my reorganization project secondary page. — ArkansasTraveler 16:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I really like it, and I am in favor of your format. I hope other users weigh in with their thoughts! Peanutbuttercups 22:38, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it sounds like a good idea; we're starting to summarize every episode and elimination here, and that's not good. With each season separated, we could discuss characters and eliminations better on their own article. Elcda0 23:48, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I can see this working out well, and I like the look of the sample pages already created. I've written much of the current summaries, so if time needs to be saved, they can be split up among individual episodes as most of them are sequential.  This would also be a good time to create an "America's Next Top Model" category, comprised of pages for each cycle and pages of former ANTM contestants.  However, a down side to this idea is inviting the expansion of material that may or may not deserve a place on Wikipedia, such as pages on non-notable ANTM contestants that only consist of "___ was on cycle 5 of ANTM and finished 6th" or a re-hash of their UPN biography.  Also, what would happen to the trivia section?  I myself have never been a fan of it (due to its often-subjective nature), but creating separate pages for the articles might invite someone to create a separate page for trivia, which would be pure clutter, in my opinion.  Perhaps if this splitting plan is implemented, the current "America's Next Top Model" page could be reserved for explaining the show's format/judges and delving a bit into trivia, though not too much. Fabricationary 05:50, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The main ANTM page that Fabricationary just described is exactly what I had in mind — general information, including a trivia overview that compares/contrasts all seasons in one source. A separate trivia page isn't really necessary, because the general information itself (minus the season-specific content) is ample but not so much that it couldn't still share space with trivia.
 * As for the creation of unnecessary contestant articles, some would argue that a few such articles have already been created. Certain past contestants who failed to make the finals, like Toccara Jones (regardless of the current state of her article), may still merit articles, but it's often because of an impression created that extends far beyond participation in the competition.  And if it's nothing more than a rehash of the UPN website writeup, it sounds like a candidate for speedy deletion or copyright violation.
 * It seems to me that among the American competitive reality series covered here at Wikipedia, ANTM is the one that is currently most unwieldy for the amount of its content. Compare with Survivor and The Apprentice. — ArkansasTraveler 13:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll do a rough move of each cycle to its own page within the next few days, unless someone else does it first, or unless I see some opposition to the move discussed here. We can get it started and then do some cleanup from there. If anyone objects please say so. - Matthew238 07:34, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm going to start using ArkansasTraveler's format for the new pages, starting with Cycle 6. If anyone else doesn't like it... change it? LOL. Elcda0 18:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Protecting this & cycle 6's page
About this time last cycle, dozens of anonymous users started editing the contestant list insterting their own winners/eliminees into the bunch. Not only was this irritating vandalism, but it misled people that came to this page looking for ANTM info, and it also hurt this article's credibility. I propose that if this vandalism starts again, we protect both this page and cycle 6's page to avoid this problem and the effort we'd have to make in reverting all of the speculative edits. Who's with me? Fabricationary 07:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Good idea! I'm with you. Peanutbuttercups 22:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Redirect talk from individual cycles to here?
Since this article has now been split into subarticles by cycle, should we redirect those talk pages (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) to this one? - dcljr (talk) 18:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That would be nice, since it doesn't seem necessary to have all those talk pages. Fabricationary 20:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Format of each cycle's page?
I've organized Cycle 1's page into a table containing summaries, airdates, titles, and screenshots. What do you all think of this layout being carried on the other cycle's pages? (The reason for the screenshot was that I think many ANTM fans identify episodes by the week's photoshoot rather than the not-very-publicized-titles or the eliminee.) Fabricationary 20:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it looks nice, but are all those photos going to pass copyright muster? Isn't the trend here not to use (claimed) "fair use" images? - dcljr (talk) 21:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I have categorized them as promotional screenshots, which they are. Fabricationary 21:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I like the pretty table, good job--LooseTheHotButtonS 11:56, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Show format
It might be good to add a section explaining the show's format (challenge, photoshoot etc.), as is done with other reality shows (Biggest Loser, Survivor) - Matthew238 07:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC) America's Next Top Model Season Cycle8 Winner,Jaslene

Trivia section tumbling into complete subjectivity
Recently some anonymous and new registered users have been adding points to the trivia section that have compromised its value. Things like "First photoshoot to feature animals" is just silly (and can be found by looking at the individual cycle pages' synopses), and stuff like "Worst photo in the history of ANTM" is subjective, as not everyone will agree wholeheartedly, for example, that Lluvy's fish picture is worse than every other picture in the history of ANTM. (I personally think the worst is Brittany's "porn star" dogwalking one.) Please refrain from re-adding this deleted material - I will continue to do so. Fabricationary 15:51, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, well, Lluvy's picture was called the worst in the history of ANTM by Tyra herself, on the show. But I'm not disagreeing with the main point you're making. - dcljr (talk) 03:54, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

C1 Tessa
What happened to her article? It appears to be deleted... --n_revo 16:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

AGENICES
We should make a section of which agencies they've signed with. Lil Flip246 16:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

This is really important. We should consider this. Lil Flip246 02:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

TOP MODELS
We should write a section on how none of the winners or contestants become real top models. How they dont do anything but show up at appearances. Lil Flip246 17:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Cycle 7 International Destination
I was wondering, is there any way to protect the Cycle 7 article until anything is actually confirmed? Lately there have been several changes to the international destination. Although people have actually seen Tyra&Co and the girls after/during a photoshoot in one of them and have even stayed at the same hotel as them, it (and all the other destinations people keep writing in the article) are still merely rumors.

TWO pages?
Why do both ANTM and America's Next Top Model exist? Shouldn't ANTM redirect to this page? The talk page does that arleady... SKS2K6 23:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I've redirected ANTM to America's Next Top Model. Fabricationary 00:01, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

After the show
How about a section on the success some of the contestants have had after the show, in modeling and other areas. - Matthew238 05:40, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Practically every contestant who has appeared on the show has her own Wikipedia page that details her success, if any, outside of the show. Fabricationary 05:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Some have gone on to be models (most have not), others are notable in other areas - we could mention those.

Mention of strike removed
Last Friday, I posted that some writers on ANTM had disrupted work for an hour and had threatened to go on strike over a dispute on union membership. The strike began the next day and was still ongoing as of Tuesday. However, I came back to the ANTM page and saw it removed. I think LilFlip 246 did it, but why? The notation said "source," but I cited the Los Angeles Times business section. This is an important development, as it threatens the show schedule for the next cycle.--Desmond Hobson 15:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Statistics or trivia?
The Show statistics section is getting way too long again. At least 20% of it should probably be removed. I started to do that but gave up and just cleaned up the wikitext a bit instead. If someone agrees with me they should try to trim it down. - dcljr (talk) 19:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree - I think much of the article is trivia/fluff. The judge's names can be stated in a paragraph - tables are not needed for each season.  Contestants' makeovers, while of interest to some, are not the sole focus of the show and generally don't impact where a contestant will end up placing.  The photoshoot information is covered in each season's article.  The "Success after the show" section, in my opinion, doesn't belong here but rather on each "successful" contestant's page.  Here it is too subjective with no criteria given as to what constitutes "sucessful" (i.e. lots of former contestants are signed, but not with notable agencies).  I would like to cut the article down significantly, but I'd like to discuss these changes first.  Are you with me, Dcljr?  Fabricationary 17:27, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with you both. Truth be told, I started getting a little dizzy just looking at the section. And I agree about the "Success" section. CarlosTheDwarf 16:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Contestant(s) who dealt with a disease on the show
Mercedes Scelba-Shorte (Cycle 2) lupus, Amanda Swafford (Cycle 3) retinitis pigmentosa, Rebecca Epley (Cycle 4) balance disorder, Noelle Staggers (Cycle 4) endometriosis.

What's about Michelle Deighton (Cycle 4)? Wasn't her skin's trouble a somekind of disease?


 * Yeah, Michelle's skin problem was impetigo, which seems to belong in that category. Funny, I don't recall any mention of Noelle having endometriosis on C4.  Unless it came out in an interview after the show, I think it might be someone's idea of a sarcastic joke given how much she talked about her baby.  Fabricationary 03:40, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Criticism
Can you please help me add more to this section?? About how none of the contestants would make it big in the fashion world.. How most of the contestants don't have the qualifications of a fashion model.. Lil Flip246 22:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Just some comments -


 * How the show often isn't an accurate portrayal of the "real modeling world" (for sources, you could cite exit interviews/statments given by former contestants - I think Elyse has said this before)
 * The general opinion (not sure how this could be properly cited) that contestants are picked because they will bring drama to the show/the shows are edited to escalate/magnify trivial situations in the house to mega-dramas (i.e. C1's religious battle, C3's "browniegate," C5's "granolagate," etc.) Fabricationary 22:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't have time right now. But thanks for the comments. Lil Flip246 15:33, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Have you found any articles criticising ANTM?? I know alot of people in the fashion industry don't respect the show. At TFS, alot of people are in the fashion biz, and they think the show is a joke. Lil Flip246 22:49, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * From searching the Sirlinksalot page:
 * Leslie discusses with AfterEllen.com why her bisexuality wasn't brought up during C6 link
 * Adrianne Curry bashes Top Model (what else is new?) here
 * Kim talks about how the situation between her and Sara was exaggerated here
 * Diane talks about the difficulty of plus-sized models having longevity on ANTM here
 * USA Today calls Top Model "probably the only reality show that tries to make its contestants look better on TV than they do in real life" here
 * Another article about Tyra vs. Adrianne here
 * Emedia gives Top Model's version of the modelling world a mixed review here
 * MSNBC interviews Tyra, discusses some drama on the show here
 * NYDaily News criticizes Top Model for too much drama here
 * Hope that helps :). Fabricationary 00:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks!! Can you please write about the last two on the article cause I have to go. Lil Flip246 02:33, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Page Length
Since it states that the article is too long, can't it be edited? Specifically, can't each season's respective stats/info boxes stay on their respective pages, and just simply be linked to from here? If it's just for summary purposes, it's still way too long, and it's cleaner that way.... SKS2K6 06:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Inaccurate information on strike
The article said the dispute was resolved then cited an article from early July, which clearly did not state the dispute had been disolved. In fact, the strike continues whih is a serious problem for the production of the show. Syndicalista 01:22, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Cycle summary
I created a cycle summary which replaced listed info, and transferred info specific to each season to its dedicated page.

The column of "Other contestants (in order of elimination)" in the summary has been left deliberately without links. In order to avoid accidental recreation of deleted candidates, and to ensure that there are no double-redirects, it is suggested that these names are not made into namespaces Ohconfucius 03:37, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Show statistics
The statistics section overflows unnecessarily because age statistics are based on years only. I have determined the age of the oldest and youngest winner. However, there is no outright winner for the oldest and youngest contestant, but this is probably due to the lack of dob available on contestants. 18 is a very common age group for participants, so this long list for youngest contestants is pretty meaningless unless we can determine exact age, measured at the start of the relevant series. Ohconfucius 07:50, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Location
I think it's hilarious that someone changed the location that the remaining contestants are going to Pluto, but I feel that it should say something more formal, like "To be announced."THE evil fluffyface 00:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

writer strike
Insert non-formatted text here they were fired http://broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6389164.html

jaeda's height is wrong
--24.80.232.128 11:08, 20 November 2006 (UTC)Sara is still the tallest.

"So first off, I have some general questions. How tall are you?

I'm about 5'10" and a half. "

http://www.fansofrealitytv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59153

I would edit it in but I dont know how.

At the "Statistics" part I was surprised to see this sentence: Most ugly and fake contestant in the history of America's Next Top Model: Melrose Bickerstaff (Cycle 7) And throughout the whole article I couldn't find a single fact supporting that.

Addition of stats: Judges' opinions of the Best & Worst Photoshoots & TV commercials in ANTM History.
Hello, juz thought of contributing these 4 lines in - I have been faithfully watching the series all the way from Cycle 1 to currently Cycle 7, my statements which i have added to the show stats regarding about best/worst photo and best/worst TV commercial in ANTM history, is indeed proven true... Recaps episodes can be verified at www.youtube.com.


 * Best Photo, by judges' opinions in Top Model history: Sara Albert (Cycle 6), for 'Swarovski Crystals - Bald Look' Photoshoot Week 1.
 * Worst Photo, by judges' opinions in Top Model history: Lluvy Gomez (Cycle 6), for 'Zodiac Signs Calendar' Photoshoot Week 3.
 * Best TV Commericial, by judges' opinions in Top Model history: Melrose Bickerstaff (Cycle 7), for 'Secret Deodorant' Shoot Week 9.
 * Worst TV Commercial, by judges' opinions in Top Model history: CariDee English (Cycle 7), for 'Secret Deodorant' Shoot Week 9.

My Backings/References for adding these:

Best photo: Sara Albert (Cycle 6) was confirmed by Tyra herself claiming it is the best photo she has seen so far in history of Top Model.

Worst Photo: Lluvy Gomez (Cycle 4) was confirmed by the judges, Nigel and Nole, of being the worst photo in ANTM history. Best TV Commercial: Melrose Bickerstaff (Cycle 7) was confirmed unanimous by the 4 judges. They felt that Melrose has delivered the best TV commercial, even though it was a foreign language, cos they felt Melrose is a natural and can deliver her lines smoothly.

Worst TV Commercial: CariDee English (Cycle 7) was confirmed unanimous by Tyra, Nigel & Twiggy. Though she is billed as the judges' favorites - they felt her win in the acting challenge has caused her to compromise her standards in delivering the commercial, which she often flubs her lines and as claimed by Nigel, acted like a drunkard and over the top kissing... the judges felt it is the worst TV commercial in ANTM history and felt it was time to give CariDee a wakeup call by placing her in bottom two.

I really hope these statements will verify my stand, and i hope there shouldnt be any eradication of the stats, thank you.
 * It's not that these aren't verifiable. it's just that, in my opinion, many of these stats are getting too trivial.  It may be nice for a fansite, but for an encyclopedia entry....  By the way, I'm not necessarily commenting on your stat additions.  I"m just commenting on the whole list in general. SKS2K6 22:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

"Cycle"
Do we know why the seasons are referred to as "cycles?" This differentiates the series from other American shows, so I think it's important to cover. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 20:12, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I suspect that is simply because the show at 13 or so episodes, is shorter than serials of say 22 or so episodes. Furthermore, the cycles occur more frequently than once a year. Ohconfucius 04:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe something to do with modeling? Most reality shows are on more than once a year, and don't run more than 13-14 episodes, unless they're live (Big Brother, American Idol, etc.). MadMagFreak 21:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

TWO pages?
Why do both ANTM and America's Next Top Model exist? Shouldn't ANTM redirect to this page? The talk page does that arleady... SKS2K6 23:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I've redirected ANTM to America's Next Top Model. Fabricationary 00:01, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Format of each cycle's page?
I've organized Cycle 1's page into a table containing summaries, airdates, titles, and screenshots. What do you all think of this layout being carried on the other cycle's pages? (The reason for the screenshot was that I think many ANTM fans identify episodes by the week's photoshoot rather than the not-very-publicized-titles or the eliminee.) Fabricationary 20:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it looks nice, but are all those photos going to pass copyright muster? Isn't the trend here not to use (claimed) "fair use" images? - dcljr (talk) 21:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I have categorized them as promotional screenshots, which they are. Fabricationary 21:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I like the pretty table, good job--LooseTheHotButtonS 11:56, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Talk from individual cycles
Since this article has now been split into subarticles by cycle, should we redirect those talk pages (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) to this one? - dcljr (talk) 18:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That would be nice, since it doesn't seem necessary to have all those talk pages. Fabricationary 20:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Strike
Last Friday, I posted that some writers on ANTM had disrupted work for an hour and had threatened to go on strike over a dispute on union membership. The strike began the next day and was still ongoing as of Tuesday. However, I came back to the ANTM page and saw it removed. I think LilFlip 246 did it, but why? The notation said "source," but I cited the Los Angeles Times business section. This is an important development, as it threatens the show schedule for the next cycle.--Desmond Hobson 15:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)my name is noor razimah and fuck i really love the episode where the both shandy and the winner of the cycle 2 been photograph naked..

The article said the dispute was resolved then cited an article from early July, which clearly did not state the dispute had been disolved. In fact, the strike continues whih is a serious problem for the production of the show. Syndicalista 01:22, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Insert non-formatted text here they were fired —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.80.232.128 (talk • contribs).

ANTM contestants' own Wikipedia pages?
It's an objective fact that Elyse was the coolest. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.71.223.141 (talk • contribs).
 * Naah, that sounds like it falls outside the bounds of a Neutral point of view. I'm pretty sure. - Fennec 05:21, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I think it's time to remove linked names that don't have articles for the first four seasons. Does anyone object? I think it's highly unlikely that these articles will ever be written (which is fine since most are non-notable anyway). Thoughts? --Quasipalm 18:58, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I object, because I have hope that someone will eventually write them. I could be delusional, but hey.  Alixandra 22:06, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that we should check and see which names are actually doing work and who can be discussed in a context besides the show. Elyse, maybe Amanda, Tocarra, Ann, Naima, Eva, Adrianne, Mercedes, Shandi, Yoanna, Brittany, I can see them having their own pages. A lot of the others seem to have fallen through the cracks after their seasons ended. --JamesB3 22:46, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I guess it makes sense to give them more time. --Quasipalm 14:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Nicole Linkletter : Tyra Banks announced during the finale party that Linkletter has been chosen by photographer Gilles Bensimon to be shot in Paris for an entire year to do the couture collection photo shoots. Said Tyra, "People don't understand what that is, but in the fashion world, to shoot couture for Elle magazine, with Gilles Bensimon, is huge!". This accomplishment undoubtedly makes Linkletter the most successful woman to emerge from "America's Next Top Model".

While that's a great opportunity for Nicole, I think making the claim that she's the most successful model to emerge from ANTM is a bit premature as she has yet to prove herself. For now we should just wait and see, and perhaps if this prediction comes true, then we can edit the page to say so. Fabricationary 01:10, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I think it is reasonable for the winners, runners-up, and especially notable contestants from each season of Top Model to have their own Wikipedia pages, as these contestants usually have some sort of modeling career following the show. However, I don't think it is especially relevant for other contestants - especially those that have no other claim to fame - to have their own page. Is anyone with me? The specific contestants I am talking about are: Also, I don't think it's reasonable for any contestants from Cycle 5 to get their own pages except for Nik (the runner-up) and Nicole (the winner), unless they do something very notable. Fabricationary 02:42, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Nicole Panattoni (the last I heard of her, she was modeling for adult Halloween costumes...)
 * Giselle Samson (is not modeling anymore)
 * Tiffany Richardson (is not modeling anymore)
 * Rebecca Epley (models, but is not notable)

I think that the models all should have a page because they are all contributors. Giselle was an amazing model in my view and her photos are flawless. Tiffany Richardson and Giselle are both still modeling. Changster785 7:17, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. I am sure that many people out there are wondering what all the contestants are doing these days. I know that Tiffany appeared in a music video ("Naomi" by Dre) most recently, for instance.Peanutbuttercups 18:25, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I see your point, but if anyone is planning to create more pages for contestants, I hope you have more information to contribute than just "____ was on cycle _ of America's Next Top Model. She was eliminated ___th." (Similarly, it would be pointless to only outline what that contestant did on the show since it's probably already on the America's Next Top Model page under that cycle). If that model/contestant has done notable things (in modeling, acting, or otherwise) since the show and apart from the show, I could see how a page might be useful. Fabricationary 18:51, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I am trying to do the Giselle Samson page but I'm really bad at html or whatever, so i was just wondering if any of ya'll could teach/tell me some pointers..thanks:) Changster785 8:23, 22 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd say if you can leave the comment you just made, you know enough to make a page. But it might be a good idea, given the reservations expressed by others above, to start writing the article you have in mind on your user page (follow the red link on your user name) and see if it will be considered "encyclopedic" enough to not get immediately nominated for deletion. &lt;g> Remember that putting double-brackets around something creates a link to another Wikipedia article (if it exists). See Help:Editing for more technical information about editing a page. Oh, and see the links in the welcome I just put on your talk page... - dcljr (talk) 09:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Why was the Jayla entry deleted? Is it because it had just two sentences of info? I could re-write it with more information especially the controversies (and subsequent quelling of said controversies) regarding the granola bar and the tylenol which I believe is relevant. Pandaemonaeon 14:46, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It was deleted at AfD as non-notable contestant, and subsequently as a repost, and (I think) as an uncontested prod. Ohconfucius 06:58, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * What happened to [C! Tessa's] article? It appears to be deleted... --n_revo 16:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Melrose Bickerstaff
It has become standard that the winner and runner up receive articles, so why doesn't Melrose Bickerstaff have one? The argument was that her season recently ended, and she didn't have time to prove her signifigance. She has now walked in two shows for New York fashion week, appeared in a catalog, and is designing for Ishkada clothing. I think she has proved her notability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acne Wash (talk • contribs)

Article Length
When I started to do a minor edit on this article, a note popped up about its length possibly being larger than preferable. It does take a while to load, in retrospect, and other long-running series covered on Wikipedia (Alias, Survivor, etc.) have successfully been organized into main articles and separate articles for each season. It might make for easier navigation of this information to apply the same organization to America's Next Top Model. Any thoughts? — ArkansasTraveler 15:37, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. I have all the episodes available, so I would be happy to help with summaries. It would take time, but I think it would be much better to have articles for each cycle. Peanutbuttercups 02:37, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * It's just a start, but I have a draft page set up of what Cycle 1 's article would look like. It's available on my reorganization project secondary page. — ArkansasTraveler 16:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I really like it, and I am in favor of your format. I hope other users weigh in with their thoughts! Peanutbuttercups 22:38, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it sounds like a good idea; we're starting to summarize every episode and elimination here, and that's not good. With each season separated, we could discuss characters and eliminations better on their own article. Elcda0 23:48, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I can see this working out well, and I like the look of the sample pages already created. I've written much of the current summaries, so if time needs to be saved, they can be split up among individual episodes as most of them are sequential.  This would also be a good time to create an "America's Next Top Model" category, comprised of pages for each cycle and pages of former ANTM contestants.  However, a down side to this idea is inviting the expansion of material that may or may not deserve a place on Wikipedia, such as pages on non-notable ANTM contestants that only consist of "___ was on cycle 5 of ANTM and finished 6th" or a re-hash of their UPN biography.  Also, what would happen to the trivia section?  I myself have never been a fan of it (due to its often-subjective nature), but creating separate pages for the articles might invite someone to create a separate page for trivia, which would be pure clutter, in my opinion.  Perhaps if this splitting plan is implemented, the current "America's Next Top Model" page could be reserved for explaining the show's format/judges and delving a bit into trivia, though not too much. Fabricationary 05:50, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The main ANTM page that Fabricationary just described is exactly what I had in mind — general information, including a trivia overview that compares/contrasts all seasons in one source. A separate trivia page isn't really necessary, because the general information itself (minus the season-specific content) is ample but not so much that it couldn't still share space with trivia.
 * As for the creation of unnecessary contestant articles, some would argue that a few such articles have already been created. Certain past contestants who failed to make the finals, like Toccara Jones (regardless of the current state of her article), may still merit articles, but it's often because of an impression created that extends far beyond participation in the competition.  And if it's nothing more than a rehash of the UPN website writeup, it sounds like a candidate for speedy deletion or copyright violation.
 * It seems to me that among the American competitive reality series covered here at Wikipedia, ANTM is the one that is currently most unwieldy for the amount of its content. Compare with Survivor and The Apprentice. — ArkansasTraveler 13:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll do a rough move of each cycle to its own page within the next few days, unless someone else does it first, or unless I see some opposition to the move discussed here. We can get it started and then do some cleanup from there. If anyone objects please say so. - Matthew238 07:34, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm going to start using ArkansasTraveler's format for the new pages, starting with Cycle 6. If anyone else doesn't like it... change it? LOL. Elcda0 18:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Since it states that the article is too long, can't it be edited? Specifically, can't each season's respective stats/info boxes stay on their respective pages, and just simply be linked to from here?  If it's just for summary purposes, it's still way too long, and it's cleaner that way....  SKS2K6 06:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Protecting this & cycle 6's page
About this time last cycle, dozens of anonymous users started editing the contestant list insterting their own winners/eliminees into the bunch. Not only was this irritating vandalism, but it misled people that came to this page looking for ANTM info, and it also hurt this article's credibility. I propose that if this vandalism starts again, we protect both this page and cycle 6's page to avoid this problem and the effort we'd have to make in reverting all of the speculative edits. Who's with me? Fabricationary 07:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Good idea! I'm with you. Peanutbuttercups 22:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

im with you right there!(67.120.74.235 02:13, 22 January 2007 (UTC))

After the show

 * AGENICES - We should make a section of which agencies they've signed with. Lil Flip246 16:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


 * This is really important. We should consider this. Lil Flip246 02:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * yes this is a good idea you girl but agencies is spelled like that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.120.74.235 (talk • contribs)

We should write a section on how none of the winners or contestants become real top models. How they dont do anything but show up at appearances. Lil Flip246 17:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

How about a section on the success some of the contestants have had after the show, in modeling and other areas. - Matthew238 05:40, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Practically every contestant who has appeared on the show has her own Wikipedia page that details her success, if any, outside of the show. Fabricationary 05:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Some have gone on to be models (most have not), others are notable in other areas - we could mention those. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthew238 (talk • contribs)

Those all sound like good ideas.--Lolalala 23:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC)Lolalala

International Destination
Anyone see the latest one where they went to Tokyo? Bwaaaa ha ha ha ha ha. Exploding Boy 18:26, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

I think it's hilarious that someone changed the location that the remaining contestants are going to Pluto, but I feel that it should say something more formal, like "To be announced."THE evil fluffyface 00:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering, is there any way to protect the Cycle 7 article until anything is actually confirmed? Lately there have been several changes to the international destination. Although people have actually seen Tyra&Co and the girls after/during a photoshoot in one of them and have even stayed at the same hotel as them, it (and all the other destinations people keep writing in the article) are still merely rumors and crap.

Contestant(s) who dealt with a disease on the show
Mercedes Scelba-Shorte (Cycle 2) lupus, Amanda Swafford (Cycle 3) retinitis pigmentosa, Rebecca Epley (Cycle 4) balance disorder, Noelle Staggers (Cycle 4) endometriosis.

What's about Michelle Deighton (Cycle 4)? Wasn't her skin's trouble a somekind of disease?


 * Yeah, Michelle's skin problem was impetigo, which seems to belong in that category. Funny, I don't recall any mention of Noelle having endometriosis on C4.  Unless it came out in an interview after the show, I think it might be someone's idea of a sarcastic joke given how much she talked about her baby.  Fabricationary 03:40, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Not sure if I detected sarcasm in your own post(?) but if not, here's an answer - she did mention her endometriosis during casting, then went on to call her son her "miracle baby", because of the fact that she was able to give birth to him despite being told that she could never have children. So it is a fact. Erdbeere 03:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Criticism
Can you please help me add more to this section?? About how none of the contestants would make it big in the fashion world.. How most of the contestants don't have the qualifications of a fashion model.. Lil Flip246 22:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Just some comments -


 * How the show often isn't an accurate portrayal of the "real modeling world" (for sources, you could cite exit interviews/statments given by former contestants - I think Elyse has said this before)
 * The general opinion (not sure how this could be properly cited) that contestants are picked because they will bring drama to the show/the shows are edited to escalate/magnify trivial situations in the house to mega-dramas (i.e. C1's religious battle, C3's "browniegate," C5's "granolagate," etc.) Fabricationary 22:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't have time right now. But thanks for the comments. Lil Flip246 15:33, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Have you found any articles criticising ANTM?? I know alot of people in the fashion industry don't respect the show. At TFS, alot of people are in the fashion biz, and they think the show is a joke. Lil Flip246 22:49, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * From searching the Sirlinksalot page:
 * Leslie discusses with AfterEllen.com why her bisexuality wasn't brought up during C6 link
 * Adrianne Curry bashes Top Model (what else is new?) here
 * Kim talks about how the situation between her and Sara was exaggerated here
 * Diane talks about the difficulty of plus-sized models having longevity on ANTM here
 * USA Today calls Top Model "probably the only reality show that tries to make its contestants look better on TV than they do in real life" here
 * Another article about Tyra vs. Adrianne here
 * Emedia gives Top Model's version of the modelling world a mixed review here
 * MSNBC interviews Tyra, discusses some drama on the show here
 * NYDaily News criticizes Top Model for too much drama here
 * Hope that helps :). Fabricationary 00:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks!! Can you please write about the last two on the article cause I have to go. Lil Flip246 02:33, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Cycle summary
Countless anonymous users have kept editing the page and listing the two eliminated contestants on top under the heading "Contestants in order of elimination" while leaving the vast majority of contestants (who have not been eliminated) on the same list as if they have also been eliminated in that specific order. It is misleading and invites vandals/speculators to change the order of the existing girls to make their own assumptions as to who will be eliminated next/who will win. (Case in point: countless changes to the list shifting the names of Jayla, Nicole, Nik, and Bre last season leading up to the finale)

Therefore, for now, it is logical to list contestants by first name alphabetical order with a note by the names of the already-eliminated girls. Until about half of the girls have been eliminated, this is the most concise and clear way of noting this; after that, two separate lists can be made - "Contestants in order of elimination" and "Contestants still in the running to be America's Next Top Model" or some variation of those two.

I'll keep reverting the page back to this version until enough contestants have been cut to merit a separate list of eliminated contestants.

Fabricationary 04:44, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I created a cycle summary which replaced listed info, and transferred info specific to each season to its dedicated page.

The column of "Other contestants (in order of elimination)" in the summary has been left deliberately without links. In order to avoid accidental recreation of deleted candidates, and to ensure that there are no double-redirects, it is suggested that these names are not made into namespaces Ohconfucius 03:37, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Can someone change the C1 summary? There were 10 girls, not 12. 22:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)~Blank, Sept 20 200664.69.127.121 22:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

There's no cycle summary now! 116.14.35.226 01:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

ANTM Crossovers
Someone changed the ANTM crossovers, and they put wrong information. This person said that Eva won the acting challenge and got the opportunity to be on Kevin Hill. Yaya won the acting challenge in Cycle 3, and all she won was to be in first class while they flew a plane to Tokyo. Eva got to be on Kevin Hill because she won Cycle 3. Can someone change it back to the way it was before? Thanks in advance.

-CrossingGuard 00:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Show statistics & trivia
I have to question "records" such as "Amanda (Cycle 3 - Partially/Night Blind)" and "Most "First Called Out For Safety"" and "First Contestant To Contract Disease During The Show" and "First Contestant Who Tyra Banks Shouted At" and "First Contestant Whose Close Relations Died While Filming" ... and what's up with "Unique Parentage"?

Overall, I think this new section just takes things too far. Plus, I think too many records are geared toward race/ethnicity and firsts and not enough are about achievement. Am I alone on this? --Quasipalm 14:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It is a bit amusing, though. Except it has some errors in it, I'll fix a few.  I don't understand "First Called Out For Safety"? Alixandra 04:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, and that "First European-Originated Contestant," wasn't that Brita, not Jayla? I don't even remember Jayla mentioning being "European-originated."  I'm not 100% positive, so I won't touch it. Alixandra 04:32, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

The race stuff is problematic because I don't think most contestants actually "self-identified" their race during the show. If anything, we might just mention a few of the most relevant "racial" facts (the "white-white pair" entry is going way too far) in a paragraph of the main article. Much of the other stuff might be better listed in a "trivia" section, if at all. I also removed the winners and runners-up because you can glean that information from the contestant list in each cycle. - dcljr (talk) 12:57, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I've reformatted the "records" section and removed the following entries:
 * First White Winner: Adrianne Curry (Cycle 1)
 * First White Runner-Up: Shannon Niquette Stewart (Cycle 1)
 * First African American Winner: Eva Pigford (Cycle 3)
 * First African American Runner-Up: Mercedes Yvette Scelba-Shorte (Cycle 2)
 * Furthest Advancing White-White Pair: Adrianne Curry & Shannon Niquette Stewart (Cycle 1) [Naima Mora & Kahlen Rondot Of Cycle 4 Is Not Considered As The Former Is Of Mixed Parentage]
 * Furthest Advancing African American Pair: Eva Pigford & Yaya Camara Da Costa Johnson (Cycle 3)
 * Furthest Advancing Asian Orient Contestant: April Wilkner, 4th Place (Cycle 2)
 * First Handicapped/Disabled Contestant: Amanda Swafford, suffering from partially/night-blindness (Cycle 3)
 * First Plus-size Model: Robin Manning (Cycle 1)
 * Contestant Most Picked For Accompaniment In A Reward: Brittany Brower, 4 Times (Cycle 4)
 * First Publicly Announced Lesbian: Ebony Haith (Cycle 1)
 * First Publicly Announced Bisexual: Michelle Deighton (Cycle 4)
 * First [And Only] Contestant Who Tyra Banks Shouted At: Tiffany Richardson (Cycle 4)
 * First Contestant To Pass Out During Judging: Rebecca Epley (Cycle 4)
 * First Contestant To Contract Disease During The Show: Michelle Deighton, She Contracted Impetigo (Cycle 4)
 * First Person Whose Close Relations Died During Filming: Kahlen Rondot, Her Best Friend From High School Passed Away (Cycle 4)
 * First Contestants Who Refused Taking A Photo Shoot: Shannon Niquette Stewart & Robin Manning (Cycle 1)
 * First Contestants To Arrive Late For A Shoot: Shannon Niquette Stewart, Robin Manning & Kesse Wallace (Cycle 1)
 * Most Frequently Appeared First Names [Mind Spelling]: Sara Racey-Tabrizi (Cycle 2), Sarah Dankleman (Cycle 4), Sarah Rhoades (Cycle 5), Sara Albert (Cycle 6), & Sarah VonderHaar (Cycle 8)


 * Recently some anonymous and new registered users have been adding points to the trivia section that have compromised its value. Things like "First photoshoot to feature animals" is just silly (and can be found by looking at the individual cycle pages' synopses), and stuff like "Worst photo in the history of ANTM" is subjective, as not everyone will agree wholeheartedly, for example, that Lluvy's fish picture is worse than every other picture in the history of ANTM.  (I personally think the worst is Brittany's "porn star" dogwalking one.)  Please refrain from re-adding this deleted material - I will continue to do so.  Fabricationary 15:51, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, well, Lluvy's picture was called the worst in the history of ANTM by Tyra herself, on the show. But I'm not disagreeing with the main point you're making. - dcljr (talk) 03:54, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

The Show statistics section is getting way too long again. At least 20% of it should probably be removed. I started to do that but gave up and just cleaned up the wikitext a bit instead. If someone agrees with me they should try to trim it down. - dcljr (talk) 19:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree - I think much of the article is trivia/fluff. The judge's names can be stated in a paragraph - tables are not needed for each season.  Contestants' makeovers, while of interest to some, are not the sole focus of the show and generally don't impact where a contestant will end up placing.  The photoshoot information is covered in each season's article.  The "Success after the show" section, in my opinion, doesn't belong here but rather on each "successful" contestant's page.  Here it is too subjective with no criteria given as to what constitutes "sucessful" (i.e. lots of former contestants are signed, but not with notable agencies).  I would like to cut the article down significantly, but I'd like to discuss these changes first.  Are you with me, Dcljr?  Fabricationary 17:27, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with you both. Truth be told, I started getting a little dizzy just looking at the section. And I agree about the "Success" section. CarlosTheDwarf 16:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The statistics section overflows unnecessarily because age statistics are based on years only. I have determined the age of the oldest and youngest winner. However, there is no outright winner for the oldest and youngest contestant, but this is probably due to the lack of dob available on contestants. 18 is a very common age group for participants, so this long list for youngest contestants is pretty meaningless unless we can determine exact age, measured at the start of the relevant series. Ohconfucius 07:50, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Jaeda's height - Sara is still the tallest. "[http://www.fansofrealitytv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59153 So first off, I have some general questions. How tall are you? ''I'm about 5'10" and a half. ''"]

I would edit it in but I dont know how.

At the "Statistics" part I was surprised to see this sentence: Most ugly and fake contestant in the history of America's Next Top Model: Melrose Bickerstaff (Cycle 7) And throughout the whole article I couldn't find a single fact supporting that.--24.80.232.128 11:08, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello, juz thought of contributing these 4 lines in - I have been faithfully watching the series all the way from Cycle 1 to currently Cycle 7, my statements which i have added to the show stats regarding about best/worst photo and best/worst TV commercial in ANTM history, is indeed proven true... Recaps episodes can be verified at www.youtube.com.


 * Best Photo, by judges' opinions in Top Model history: Sara Albert (Cycle 6), for 'Swarovski Crystals - Bald Look' Photoshoot Week 1.
 * Worst Photo, by judges' opinions in Top Model history: Lluvy Gomez (Cycle 4), for 'Zodiac Signs Calendar' Photoshoot Week 3.
 * Best TV Commericial, by judges' opinions in Top Model history: Melrose Bickerstaff (Cycle 7), for 'Secret Deodorant' Shoot Week 9.
 * Worst TV Commercial, by judges' opinions in Top Model history: CariDee English (Cycle 7), for 'Secret Deodorant' Shoot Week 9.

My Backings/References for adding these:

Best photo: Sara Albert (Cycle 6) was confirmed by Tyra herself claiming it is the best photo she has seen so far in history of Top Model.

Worst Photo: Lluvy Gomez (Cycle 4) was confirmed by the judges, Nigel and Nole, of being the worst photo in ANTM history. Best TV Commercial: Melrose Bickerstaff (Cycle 7) was confirmed unanimous by the 4 judges. They felt that Melrose has delivered the best TV commercial, even though it was a foreign language, cos they felt Melrose is a natural and can deliver her lines smoothly.

Worst TV Commercial: CariDee English (Cycle 7) was confirmed unanimous by Tyra, Nigel & Twiggy. Though she is billed as the judges' favorites - they felt her win in the acting challenge has caused her to compromise her standards in delivering the commercial, which she often flubs her lines and as claimed by Nigel, acted like a drunkard and over the top kissing... the judges felt it is the worst TV commercial in ANTM history and felt it was time to give CariDee a wakeup call by placing her in bottom two.

I really hope these statements will verify my stand, and i hope there shouldnt be any eradication of the stats, thank you.
 * It's not that these aren't verifiable. it's just that, in my opinion, many of these stats are getting too trivial.  It may be nice for a fansite, but for an encyclopedia entry....  By the way, I'm not necessarily commenting on your stat additions.  I"m just commenting on the whole list in general. SKS2K6 22:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Erhem, if u think these stats are too trivial, perhaps i think stats like the most common names like Nicole(s) and Sara(s) are unnecessary, The Cover Girl win is absolutely unecessary cos no one actually knows abt who and who win what... cos not everybody goes online... they watch TV generally... they are too trivial, which the focus shd be on the challenge wins, who cares who wins Cover Girl of the week, it does not affect their outcome of their judging! Think abt it before u make statements like 'too much trivia' it is very insulting to those ppl who are more ANTM knowledgeable than you!


 * I beg to differ - i think it is absolutely necessary to include these stats, cos it is alway critical to stay on the competition, based on how well or badly done = a TV commercial or photoshoot for that matter, should the girls need to stay in the competition. It is essential that this knowledge be made known that the judges know their best & worst photo, and also best & worst TV commercial in history of ANTM...

The statements have been made fair and in no bious towards any of teh girls mentioned above, cos after all, the judges' opinions DO matter!!

I would delete these "statistics" since these statistics, especially the Secret commercial statistics (from Cycle 7), are opinionated. In addition, the so-called "best" and "worst" commercial for the whole series cannot be determined by one Cycle 7 episode. The CoverGirl of the Week, however, can be validated through the commercials inserted into every ANTM episode.

And FYI, mysterious editor, Lluvy was in Cycle 4, not Cycle 6. (This was corrected before I finished posting my comment to the site.) It would also help if you spelled out your words in the article itself as well as the discussion.THE evil fluffyface 16:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * How is adding a tag insulting? I find it hilarious that you go and insult me for stating an opinion, but whatever.  And I've been a loyal fan of the show, watching since Cycle 4.  I just find it trivial.  This is not a fan page; it is an encyclopedia.  As such, there is no need for all these trivial facts that don't matter to people who are not fans.  Please see WP:TRIVIA for the reasons I'm saying this.  I would honestly be fine if the whole section were deleted because it does not matter to the page as a whole. SKS2K6 18:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Note: actually, What Wikipedia is not does a better job of explaining.


 * I'm sorry, I didn't mean to insult you! I was referring to the person who put up the new statistics...unless it was you.  I was also referring to their poor spelling and the fact they did not sign their comments.THE evil fluffyface 20:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The stats section is disturbingly nerdy. I've tried weeding it out. There was some bizarre stuff in there. But more can go; the section needs to feel less autistic. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 19:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm just wondering where you got that bit about Sara's picture from? Tyra said it was ONE of the best photos, not the best photo. I removed it. I agree with the previous person, a lot of the stuff in that section needs to go. CarlosTheDwarf 06:24, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


 * On the bottom the oldest contestant was Dr Yvonne bring 27 but who is she? it says she was on cycle 6 byt there is no person called Dr Yvonne
 * There was a Dr. Yvonne in Cycle 6, she was one of the semi-finalists, but didn't make it to the Top 13, cos the panel felt her look is too average, and though she can walk well, her face doesnt translate modelesque... sad but true. But whatever hey, she is a doctor and she can always go back to practice medicine, she still will be successful! =D
 * Or maybe she can become a doctor of plastic surgery and operate on herself to make herslef look more pretty and then be successful on the show! =D

Trivia - Is it possible to spin this off into another article, like Survivor Trivia? SKS2K6 19:28, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I concur. I think it clutters up the page. Also, with all due respect, I think that there are quite a few subjective bits in there and some unnecessary trivia. CarlosTheDwarf 06:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The tallest contestant is still Sara Albert from Cycle 6 with 6'1. Michelle and Amanda Babin are both 6''0 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.93.21.80 (talk) 05:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

A lot of edits occur on the trivia section, because people keep changing it to what they believe. Please do not add to the trivia section without sources. I think that's part of the reason why things keep changing, because people just put in whatever. SKS2K6 18:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree with the above segment, i have to rectify or revert back to previous data. I don't understand why is it that Elyse and Shandi are lightest contestants whereas it should be Melrose instead... whoever put Elyse and Shandi, please stop it. And regarding about the youngest contestant's age, stop putting Nicole's age in terms of months, she is already 19 years old at that time. She is definiety not the same age as Eva Pigford who was 20 at that time she won Cycle 3, Nicole's & Eva's birthdates are 2 years apart, not the same age. Please get facts right before making silly changes. Thank you. Apollolancer 13:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know who put Shandi in, but Elyse is also measured at 114 in cycle one. And I'd like to see a source that says Melrose is that light.  There is no way in hell she's 104 lbs.  Ford MF 18:44, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * the problem is that there are no sources for any of these numbers. All of this is trivial and probably under personal research.  That's why I'm advocating the removal of most of these facts except for the clearly verifiable ones.  There are news articles that say Nicole was the youngest winner.  There are none that say so-and-so was the lightest contestant. SKS2K6 19:38, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know where the 104 lbs. comes from, but a (now-defunct) website article on Melrose listed her as 5'8" and 107 pounds; one website has listed this stat . I'm with SKS2KS. The trivia section needs to be cleaned up BIG TIME or removed completely---It's unencyclopedic and there's a lot of speculation/OR going on. This is an encyclopedia, not an ANTM fansite. Lastly, the heights can't be confirmed for Cycle 7 since it wasn't listed on the CW website. We're going on speculation from ANTM forums and fan websites. Elcda0 09:52, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Incomplete story Sanne Nijhof (Holland's Next Topmodel cycle 1)
Hey, I've got a question: Sanne Nijhof from the Dutch version of ANTM entered the Ford Models contest, and on 17 January 2007, she won the Ford Models Supermodel of the World competition, winning a US$ 250,000 contract with the world renowned agency. Why isn't that in the story about the Dutch version of ANTM? And as far as anyone knows, no other girl from whatever version of ... Next Top Model has ever achieved that, placing Sanne in the Top of all the contesters, of every version of ... Next Top Model. I think it would be worth mentioning. Rob --84.104.123.100 23:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

BuddyTV links
Not to try to start anything but I remember when the links section became crammed with links to various websites and recaps. Does this link belong there? If so, shouldn't other sites with recaps and the sort be allowed?

Just curious. 24.83.211.180 06:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Israel's Next Top Model?
Under the "International Versions" section, it says that the name of the Israeli version of America's Next Top Model is "Israel's Next Top Model." I searched and found out the the show is actually named "Models", according to Hebrew Wikipedia. Can someone change this? MadMagFreak 22:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Show statistics
Champions with fewest challenge wins:Nicole....And!!! Danielle Evans (cycle 6)with 0 challenge wins

Wrong Name
Melrose Bickerstaff is not the right name. Her real name is Mellisa Rose. She even says so on the fist episode. Yeah, but Melissa (Melrose) established that she goes by Melrose.

So where does Bickerstaff come from?

According to tv.com: Most Recent Role: Contestant - Cycle 7 on America's Next Top Model; Birthplace: San Francisco, California; Birth Name: Melissa Rose Bickerstaff

Melrose is most identifiable by the name "Melrose", even if her given name is Melissa. I say keep it as "Melrose" or else we're going to be having people wonder "Who the hell is Melissa?!" SkittlzAnKomboz 19:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

The German title is actually "Germany’s Next Topmodel" Not "Germany's Next Top Model". 4. Mai 2007 FrankyGerman

Contestant Format
I think that America's Next Top Model's contestant format should be like American Idol's. On the side, and shows when they were eliminated.

Latin Versions
For this year Sony Entertainment Productions think about produce America's Next Top Model but for latin versions....The countrys are:Mexico,Brazil,Colombia and Argentina. But this is just a rumor...this new is not confirmated yet.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.69.244.185 (talk • contribs)

This format needs reconstruction.
There are empty tags and weird comments under headings... will an experienced Wikipedia-editor please adjust? This is a mess. --le petite robot 02:29, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Cycle 8
It seems that everytime I frequent the site the last names of many Cycle 8 contestants keep changing. I thought that Sarah & Cassandra's surnames were "confirmed" since a long time ago but apparently not because they just got changed AGAIN. Among others, Diana, Brittany, Renee, Samantha, Kathleen, Natasha and Jael have all had at least 2 last names credited to each of them over a period of 2 weeks. The only "consistent" ones have been Whitney, Dionne and Jaslene (and Felicia, who has not had her last name assigned to her, yet). Can anyone verify the actual last names of all the contestants? I think it'll stop the maddening changes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ZephyrWind (talk • contribs) 11:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

Those are the only confirmed last names.
 * Sarah Von,
 * Cassandra Watson

If there aren't any confirmed last names of all the contestants for CYCLE 8, might as well temporarily remove all the last names of their CYCLE... It's unorderly... If the last names are already confirmed, the 13 of them, then it is time to place them... 68.193.255.234 21:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC) I can vouch that Diana's last name is not O'Connell. Whether the network's PR people want her last name to be given or not, as someone who grew up with her, I can say she is of 100% Polish descent and grew up in GArfield, NJ (Polish caital of NJ). Her last name is Polish. Trust me.68.193.255.234 21:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * None of the above appear to be reliable confirmations. Surnames have been removed until confirmed by reliable sources. Ohconfucius 03:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty fed up with the whole thing - edit wars over something as fundamental as the contestants's surnames appear ridiculous beyond imagination. Will editors not leave the darned information out if it's not reliably sourced? An insistent editor bangs on that Brittany's surname is not carriger, etc and says that "a yearbook which is doing the rounds" says it's something else. I don't quite see how a "yearbook" could qualify as "reliable". Realitytvworld.com cites the following as the correct names (Dionne Alexander, Brittany Carrigher, Whitney Cunningham, Renee DeWitt, Natasha Galkina, Jaslene Gonzalez, Diana O'Connell, Jael Strauss, Sarah Vanderhaar) contrary to previous assertions. I'm starting to think we're being manipulated by the show's producers, that each and every tiddly bit is marketing for the show? If there really are no reliable sources, we might as well delete the whole @^%&* lot ..... as spam. Ohconfucius 09:14, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Realitytvworld as well as other websites get their surname information from here. Notice how they did not have one for Felicia until one popped up here. Several people ON Wikipedia itself have admitted to making up some of these names. Go to the fansofrealitytv Top Model forum and check Brittany's thread for somebody who went to high school with her who posted a yearbook photo with her last name listed as Hatch. Renee used to be a Barbizon model. Google Renee Alway + Barbizon. Some people have seen a resemblance to Jay Alexander so as a joke they listed Dionne's as Alexander. Several people both on and off Wikipedia have said to know Diana personally and have stated that her last name is Zalewski and she is of full Polish heritage. As well as markings on this site itself that have claimed they made up the previously listed surnames. Even though mine are correct we may as well just delete the surnames of the remaining girls since there seems to be no peace on the matter. 4.241.33.251

Stating that several people both on and off Wikipedia confirm Diana's last name and heritage does not conform to Wikipedia standards as references. Stop listing the last names. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.158.230.127 (talk • contribs)


 * Quite agree. If we are relying on the grapevine, and realityworld is relying on us, our looking at realityworld once again would be circular and tantamount to blatantly failing WP:RS. This is just complete nonsense. I don't want to put in the work and stir up a hornet's nest by deleting surnames from the other cycles, so for the moment, I will assume that all cycles' surnames (except 8) are correct. Ohconfucius 09:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Last names tend to be revealed in TV Guide's interviews; Sarah's is here, while Diana's is here. Incidentally, does that mean that we have to reference each last name for all the other cycles? Other than the prominent ones (such as the winners) the last names for other cycles should be referenced as well, because they are known on the show as their first name only. Personally, because no ANTM contestants have been known by their last name, I believe none of them should have it, other than perhaps the winners and the runnerups. SKS2K6 08:03, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I've been doing independant research on the last names of the Cycle 8 contestants, and can soundly conclude that the following names are 100% accurate (this is based on the consistency I have compared between numerous interviews, blogs, mySpaces, friendsters, forums, fan sites, recaps, summaries, features, post-mortems, advertisements, magazine articles etc). They are Samantha Francis, Whitney Cunningham, Sarah VonderHaar, Renee Alway, Brittany Hatch, Cassandra Watson, Diana Zalewski and Jaslene Gonzalez. I think the reason behind the last names confusion was because after the phenomenal Cycle 7 success, many Wiki users/ANTM hardcore fans wanted to be "part" of the craze and hence created their own last names. If I am correct, this is the first time this has ever happened, hence my suspicion (users have already admitted to creating their own contestants' last names). As such, I do not believe we need to reference every other cycle's last names as it would be too time consuming and impractical (besides, their names have appeared numerous times in many forms of medium post show). Having said that, I think we can keep the current cycle 8 last names and do not keep deleting them until new references have surfaced to refute their authenticity.121.6.30.26 07:19, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Hard to know who picks up info from whom/where... Therefore, taking a consensus poll will still yield misleading results. Blogs are still to be distrusted, IMHO. The same happened in cycle 7, when, for example, the twins' surnames were initially entered erroneously. However, I would be prepared to accept that interviews are the most reliable information when it comes to names, always on the assumption that the journalist(s) in question ask that very first question. Tall order, I knoww ;-). So far, I have only found 3 interviews, Sarah VonderHaar, Diana Zalewski, Felicia Provost. Ohconfucius 09:44, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect Winners
Just to point out that some of the "winners" listed in the table for each series is completely incorrect. Series 3,4 and 5 in particular. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.4.21 (talk • contribs)
 * If people are going to keep messing up with the names of the winners (including that of Cycle 8, even though the finale is weeks away), maybe the page should be protected. Just a thought. 24.83.211.180 00:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Please add the statistics back into the page!
Pretty self-explanatory. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.191.145.24 (talk) 04:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC).
 * The statistics section is almost all trivial, and much of it is based on original research, which Wikipedia is against. There is no way of verifying much of the information, including height and weight (since ANTM has stopped giving out that information).  It is information that belongs on fan pages and websites, not on Wikipedia. SKS2K6 07:59, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. I found it utterly pointless, to be blunt. Just clogged up the page, and it got to the point where just about anything was considered trivia. I hope it doesn't come back. No offense to those who liked it. 24.83.211.180 00:55, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

(sighs) I think it's back. THE evil fluffyface 14:18, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Cycle 9?
Is that information of cycle 9 true? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nico 777 (talk • contribs) 23:31, 15 April 2007 (UTC).

I am 99% positive that none of it is true. I don't even think they're halfway through the filming of Cycle 9. It's just somebody trying to post false information. No idea why the page has lasted as long as it has. --4.241.219.114 23:24, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

article address - apostrophe -- Firefox NoScript problem
Hi, could you point me to a link why some of the following is working and others are not:

Working:
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Next_Top_Model
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s Next Top Model
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's Next Top Model

Not working:
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Next_Top_Model (due to firefox caching the non working link from google)

Especially I'd like to know how this translates for ä,ö,ü,ß. Thanks, 87.78.70.10 21:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Meaning for example that you can't click the link you get from a google search: http://www.google.de/search?q=ANTM+%22ANTM+redirects+here%22+site%3Aen.wikipedia.org —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.78.70.10 (talk) 22:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC).
 * In between I found that it's the Firefox AddOn NoScript that causes the problem, it says

[NoScript XSS] Sanitized suspicious request referer. URL (REF: http://www.google.de/search?q=america's+next+top+model&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) requested from. Sanitized Referrer: .)
 * and

[NoScript XSS] Sanitized suspicious request. Original URL requested from. Sanitized URL: .)


 * There is a whitelist for XSS in NoScript but it seems it doesn't get applied here. The regular expression on the whitelist ist

^http://[a-z]+\.wikipedia\.org/wiki/[^"'<>\?%]+$


 * I hope this helps somebody. 87.78.111.234 12:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

vandalism of Cycle 8
I removed the vandalism from user 70.243.213.61 and it seems that someone removed the vandalism from user 70.243.213.60. Both of these were defamatory statements about Jasmene winning instead of Natasha. I warned the first user about vandalism. Please everyone watch the page for further vandalism. Thanks! 08:58, 17 May (UTC)

Ok, now someone replaced Natasha's name with "Russian Whore". 9:40 May 2007

Jaslene did win and Natasha is a Russian Whore! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.184.242.218 (talk) 05:25, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Indonesia and Nigeria
Indonesia Model and Nigeria's next top model were beauty pagents, they shouldn't be counted as top model shows

Do you have proof? THE evil fluffyface 14:18, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

http://bellanaija.blogspot.com/2007/04/nigerias-next-top-model-event.html says that nntm was an event not a reality competition
 * That article says there will be subsequent cycles/seasons, thus making it a show. Itsmeiam 20:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Indonesian Model Indosiar is not America's Next Top Model franchise, the station create the format themselves.Boris Lee 01:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Lives After Top Model
Do we really need this part of this article? I think it bogs down the article. If we really need this information, can't we put the information under the contestants' respective cycles? THE evil fluffyface 14:18, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Successful ANTM Alumni
I think this quote is completely biased and partially false.

"So far, the only relatively successful alumni to achieve a certain degree of exposure in the modelling and acting world are Nicole Linkletter, Elyse Sewell, Eva Pigford, Joanie Dodds, Adrianne Curry (who has also criticized the show), and Yoanna House."

A source is also wrongly credited for this statement so I am going to take the liberty to remove it. Firstly, there are bigger successes who have failed to be recognized (i.e. Ann and Mollie Sue). In addition, Joanie has not been very successful compared to the majority of contestants or her Cycle 6 counterparts and listing her name is not precisely factual.

Yaya from cycle 5 was also the lead actress in "Take the Lead," so that information is false. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.136.232.103 (talk) 22:06, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

International versions
I love that there are so many international versions but could this section perhaps become its own separate article? Just a suggestion. 24.83.211.180 02:01, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
The Interational Destination will be Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. []

China
Tyra herself stated in her fanclub newsletter that she returned from filming the show in China, in addition to the fact that Miss Jay has been photographed recently in Bejing. Lastly, photographs have surfaced of Tyra in China at a photoshoot.. Despite that one site claiming it as an international destination, there are too many conflicting reports to truthfully say one way or the other.

(Tastyfreeze43 17:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC))
 * Yes, I saw those posted on the topmodel LiveJournal community. I don't think it should be edited until there is more proof, since LJ isn't considered a reliable source (for good reason). CarlosTheDwarf 18:49, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, that's from LiveJournal. It's not considered to be a reliable source. Even if Tyra is shown to be there, there are still other sites claiming it's in Malaysia. I'm not really sure why people keep editing the field. Why not just leave it alone until there's solid confirmation? 70.79.66.26 19:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Number of Cycle 9 Contestants
Please stop deleting the number of 13 contestants for Cycle 9, as it was stated in an upcoming promo by Tyra Banks.

Cycle 9 Contestants
For the past month one user in particular has been putting in a list of contestants under Cycle 9. They do this almost every day. Even after telling them to please cease they continue under the disclaimer that it's 100% true and that it has been relayed from their cousin. Yet they can provide no reliable source. Or any source at all. It's possible the list is factual but they have posted under several different IP addresses and judging from the history of each one, fabricating information is nothing new to them. The list they are so persistent about consists of the following names: Debbie Johnson, Elise Opert, Elissa Simonsen, Hailey Boswell, Katie Clemmons, Kira Willis, Lara Groves, Mallory Daley, Miranda Darden, Nicola Cooper, Nicole Bartholomew, Tira LeCroy, Wendy Dunn.

I and others have asked them on several occasions to stop but they persist. Perhaps until the premiere we could block the article as with the reveal of the contestants approaching the article is constantly vandalized.

Information?
Where did all of the information on the cycles go? Why would someone delete it? 22:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)Omniii

Don't Reveal The Winner!
Please refrain from putting the winner on the America's Next Top Model page when it hasn't been officially announced. Even if you are right, it would be nice to the readers (who don't wanna be spoiled). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.184.242.218 (talk) 05:22, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Cycle 9 Contestants
Okay, honestly, stop fooling around with the Cycle 9 contestant list! They have been announced on MULTIPLE occasians! They are NOT TBA! Omniii 00:58, 16 September 2007 (UTC)Omniii

Do not reveal the winner!
There is no truth that heather is the winner and lisa the runner up, please stop posting this information. Also, whoever keeps posting about the final 2 and Jenah winning, please stop.13 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omniii (talk • contribs) 21:52, 17 September 2007 (UTC) Toricanread 22:23, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Show Statistics
I think it's pointless to list all 16 "youngest contestants" in show statistics. The mere fact that there are so many of them shows that it's not noteworthy. I think it would be better to just put somehow that the minimum age for participation is 18, and that many contestants were 18 when they were on the show. Thoughts? Eatcacti 18:51, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

How & who??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!
How does a redirect is chosen/placed??? "Top Model" shouldn't redirect here!!!!! Who did this redirection? Top Model shall redirect to Supermodel!!!!!!!! Then, if someone wants a link to this page could be placed there, but shall not be found in here...Undead Herle King (talk) 23:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Messed Up Show Statistics
The show statistic are messed up, where it says youngest contestants, it says "20" is the minimum, and it really is 18. Guest User 7 March 2008

QUIT
Quitting the competition and being eliminated are 2 very different thins. Which is why Tyra reacted the way she did even labeling her a "quitter". Ebony should not be listed as being eliminated (because she wasn't). Ambreal was eliminated and after she was, Ebony announced she was quitting. Tyra did not have to let Ambreal stay, she was allowed to only because Ebony quit. It should be stated that way.Aladdin Zane 16:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There's no need to make a separate category for "quitters". It would be better to put Ebony under eliminated contestants and then put (quit) in parentheses. When the show has finished airing in a few weeks it won't matter anyway because it will be formatted like the rest of the seasons. On a side note, while Tyra may think quitting is awful (thus her reaction to Ebony) that doesn't mean it is. If Ebony figured out that she didn't want to be a model there's no reason for her to stay on the show. Saying that she quit is correct, but calling her a quitter or saying QUIT in all capital letters is inflammatory and POV and there's no reason to include that. Eatcacti 20:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have reverted your edits to the elimination order. The point of having the elimination order there is to show in which order contestants left the show. Putting contestants who quit in a separate category defeats the purpose because it doesn't show when they left the competition. In addition, putting QUIT in all capital letters is unnecessary. If you feel it's necessary to indicate which contestants quit I think it would be a better idea to put (quit) after their name so that the order in which they left the show is left intact. And not in all capital letters, that makes it sound like you're trying to insult them. Eatcacti 20:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with them being in order with (quit) by their name. But a distinction does need to be made as these contestants were not eliminated, Also I did not put in the article "quitter" because to me there is a difference in a quitter, and someone that quit. But there is also a difference in someone that quit, and someone that was eliminated. In fact by some peoples views, the ones that quit on there on terms can possibly be seen in a little better light than those that got eliminated. But I do think there should be a distinction, So the way you wanted to put it, is perfectly OK, I agreeAladdin Zane 02:36, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Stop it
Whoever is adding Chantal's last name (Jones), Saleisha (Cooper) and Lisa (Cossé), stop. IMDb and that other source is not reliable. They rely on user submitted information and do not require citations. So stop. Sireafi (talk) 01:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, whoever is changing Ambreal's last name from Williams to Ward...STOP! In the article from Ambreal's school (used as her reference), the last name is Williams. This is probably right considering that it came from her actual college. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.105.157.220 (talk) 02:33, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I would like to add that IMDb usually only allows you to add actors/actresses names if you yourself are an actor and are part of the screen actor's guild, otherwise you can only make comments on peoples pages and change their bio's and things. You can't change their actual names to what they were originally registered as. So most likely, they are correct and are made by themselves or agents or something. Also, Saleisha and Lisa all have more websites come up involving ANTM when doing google searches with their last names from IMDb, then with the names on wikipedia (nothing involving ANTM comes up when searching lisa jackson). Also, people may have been trying to compare Lisa to Michael Jackson, seeing as people have said she looks like a drag queen. Thatssodeirdre (talk) 14:10, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Whether or not one has to be an actor or actress to add names, it has been proven time and time again that the names on IMDb are often wrong. See: Heather Rhetson (IMDb) vs. Heather Kuzmich (New York Times), Lisa Cosse (IMDb) vs. Lisa Jackson (Seattle Post-Intellegencer), Saleisha Cooper (IMDb) vs. Saleisha Stowers (The CW). These are just examples; there are many, many more cases of IMDb getting it wrong. It may be right much of the time, but it just can't be relied on. Eatcacti (talk) 19:10, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Citations for Cycle 9 contestants' surnames
I have added citations for the surnames of the cycle 9 contestants. These surnames and references are the same that are on the contestant list at the America's Next Top Model, Cycle 9 article. I realize that this is very messy looking, but I really feel strongly that it is necessary to keep these citations in for now, probably at least until the end of the cycle. After that the edits will die down and the correct surnames will be better publicized. I hope that having the citations will prevent or at the very least lessen the instances of people adding and removing names at whim. If you do decide to remove these citations, please at least leave an explanation here or in the edit summary. Eatcacti (talk) 10:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Jaslene's Weight
ok if this goes right then it should be a new topic :D ok so in jaslene gonzalez's biography it states she is 92 lbs...(just go to the link) and then in antm general statistics AND in cycle 8 gral statistics it says she is 110 lbs...which one is wrong??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Superrodris89 (talk • contribs) 11:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I kind of think someone put in 92 lbs as the weight as a subtle form of vandalism. She is very skinny but there's just no way she's that skinny. A month or two ago there was a whole rash of vandalism on Jaslene's article, so maybe it got added in then and was just never removed. Eatcacti (talk) 11:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok so i'll change the weight back to 110 pounds then isnt there anyway to fix that? or protect it from vandalism? Lucia (talk) 13:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Cycle 11 Application
< http://www.cwtv.com/thecw/topmodel-cycle11-Casting > Please add? Sireafi (talk) 02:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

hi
THERE WILL BE FINNISH TOP MODEL, IT STARTS 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.251.133.171 (talk) 12:03, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok. Do you know of a website or an article about it so it can be added to the list? Also, is it something other than this? Eatcacti (talk) 12:12, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Kahlen Rondot
Her name should not be linked because she doesn't have a page. There are many contestants (probably more than a dozen) who don't have articles but instead have redirects who are not linked, and Kahlen should be no exception to this rule. The reason she shouldn't be linked is because it misleads people into thinking that she does have an article. It misleads people into thinking that there's something about her that is notable enough to have her own article, which is not the case. Since she redirects to Cycle 4, there's no reason to link her, because if someone wants to see cycle 4 they'll just click the link that's literally right next to her name. Eatcacti (talk) 03:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok like totally HELP
sb had put this thing like "i luv you" in the links...and i tried to help..and i kinda...deformatted it all..and now links are missing :S please help... Lucia (talk) 21:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

omg thanks to whoever changed it i was about to collapse OH GOD THANKS WHOEVER CHANGED IT...thanks whoever did it thank U —Preceding unsigned comment added by Superrodris89 (talk • contribs) 21:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * If you go to the History page, you can see a handy little link called undo. For minor, 1-time things, just click it and it's done.  you could have saved yourself a lot of time that way. :P  SKS2K6 (talk) 21:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

ANTM cycle 9
Jenah Doucette didn't not win Cycle 9 but Saleisha Cooper did.
 * Fixed now. Thanks, Nishkid64 (talk) 03:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

On the cycle summary Cycle Nine Summary is wrong with the winners —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.132.143.210 (talk) 04:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Some one put Tootie Carparts instead of Saleisha Cooper Azul81677 (talk) 06:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia isn't TWoP. Give it a rest. Mike H. Celebrating three years of being hotter than Paris 09:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Saleshia "Copper" did not win! He name is Saleshia STOWERS! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guthiererika10 (talk • contribs) 19:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Yoanna's weight and the state representation
Why was this removed? I've been an editor for three years so I'm not some newbie or random vandal. Assume good faith. Mike H. Celebrating three years of being hotter than Paris 09:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Requesting Lock
It's only, what, two weeks since Saleisha won Cycle 9 and people are already adding false information for Cycle 10? What? The best part, a large majority of them don't have accounts. Good way to fix this? Lock. So I'm requesting a lock on this article. The one where only members can edit the article. Sireafi (talk) 21:02, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Cycle 6 and 5 weights
As I noticed I left a topic in Cycle 6 and no one read it so I bring it here...The statistics for highest and lowest weight of contestants are missing i dont know if it is for lack of information but i think we should complete them...anyone help? I've found some of Cycle 6...thanks Lucia (talk) 21:24, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

It's because individual contestant's weights were only given on the old UPN website up until cycle 4, and when UPN merged and became the CW, the weights of Cycles 7 and onwards' contestants were not revealed officially, and were only sourced through outside websites with the relevant info. Yup, so that's why Cycle 5 and 6 has very few, if not, no info regarding their weights. But of course, if you do find articles pertaining to their weights that can be verified... then by all means!!! Haha. Lol... I think the heaviest contestant for Cycle 5 should be quite obvious... should be Diane the plus-sized model.. ZephyrWind (talk) 05:38, 29 December 2007 (UTC)