Talk:Ann Lee

Question
On another page, it is asserted that Lee claimed to be the Messiah. Is this true? If so, I think the article should reflect it. Jwrosenzweig 18:52, 13 July 2005 (UTC) Mother Ann never claimed to be the Messiah, nor did she allow her followers to believe this. There were some, however, who believed her to be the Second Coming. (source: Sabbath Day Lake Shakers Feb 3, 2005 in response to research questions)

From a National Geographic article in September 1989, the vision that Mother Ann asserted to have in her 30's involved Adam and Eve having intercourse, leading her to believe that this was the Original Sin and such a carnal desire was to be shunned in order to obtain Christ-like perfection. This, as the article continues to say, led to her and others believing she was the female version of the Second Coming, a female Christ, so to speak. (source: The Shakers' Brief Eternity Cathy Newman, National Geographic Sept. 1989

Response: Lee did not herself claim to be the Messiah, but in 1766 she had a sort of "born again" experience in which vision she saw herself as the "woman clothed in the sun" from the Book of Revelations, which gave her a status equivalent to the counterpart of Jesus. Quakerinfo 17:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Response: Jesus stated in Matthew 24:24, " For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Ann Lee was therefore one of these false Christs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.13.189 (talk) 02:30, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Infobox photo is of Eldress Anna White
As seen in the "Picture is NOT Ann Lee" section above.

And as seen at: Shearonink (talk) 00:13, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Mt. Lebanon New York History Blog
 * Shaker Museum of Mount Lebanon


 * , Yes, thanks! The blog says "Anna White was eldress in the Mt. Lebanon North Family. It is usually her photograph that will appear if you seek an on-line image of Ann Lee."
 * The Shaker Museum image is of "Sister Anna White" - not Ann Lee.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:34, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Psychometric portrait
I've uploaded to Wikimedia Commons this 1871 "psychometric portrait," identified by a spirit medium as Ann Lee and reportedly accepted as such by "many" nineteenth century Shakers. See Stephen J. Stein, The Shaker Experience in America: A History of the United Society of Believers (New Haven and London: Yale University Press, 1992), 232-33. What are the community's thoughts on adding this image to the article in the absence of a contemporary likeness? --Worthington56 (talk) 12:23, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
 * My thoughts are no. It is not a portrait of the subject from life.  Not sure what the policies/guideline are not this sort of thing. Shearonink (talk) 15:44, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

We are the people who turned the world upside down
According to the Wikiquote page, the earliest reference found to this quote was on this website in 2009, so she may not have actually said this. — howcheng  {chat} 01:14, 6 September 2020 (UTC)