Talk:Antonia Fraser

Question
Should "Lady" be in the title of this page - "Antonia Fraser" is what appears on her books and is how she is generally known. Timrollpickering 19:30, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It is usual Wikipedia policy to give a subjects full name & titles, etc in the first line of an article. Philip Cross 18:30, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Boadicea or Boudica
The article mentions Boadicea, shouldn't this be Boudica (or Boudicca)? Apepper 23:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

The Wives of Henry VIII
The correct version of the title is The Wives of Henry VIII. That's what my copy's called, and that's how it's given on the book's page on LibraryThing. If The Six Wives of Henry VIII is indeed an alternate title, feel free to add it back, but as an additional title identified as an alternative. — AnnaKucsma  (Talk to me!) 18:31, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

That is not actually correct. That is the title of the 1st American (paperback?) ed. published in 1992. There are many other (22) editions acc. to WorldCat. It was published in the UK as The Six Wives of Henry VIII (London: Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1992); you need to do a more thorough search, using proper book catalogues, such as the publishers' own websites, WorldCat, the LOC, Amazon.co.uk, etc. The source that you cite "librarything.com" is not sufficient and does not verify your statement that The Six Wives of Henry VIII is an "alternate title." It is actually the other way around; the 1st American ed. is the alternate title; possibly for copyright reasons in 1992-93. Alison Weir's book has the same title: The Six Wives of Henry VIII (see note added at top of that article now); and there is a PBS series on the subject as well w/ the same title. Given the recent Showtime series (The Tudors), one does not want to make mistakes with the titles of the book by each of these authors. --NYScholar (talk) 11:24, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * See editions discussed in the following Books and Collectibles site: The Wives of Henry VIII, and also Books and Collectibles site: The Six Wives of Henry VIII, both of which list several of the UK editions; the American ed. followed the first hardback ed. published first in UK. --NYScholar (talk) 11:44, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

photo deleted; copyright violation
The photo someone uploaded to Wikipedia Commons is a copyright violation; if one clicked on the image, its description says there is no author or information given about it; it was apparently an image stolen (plagiarized) from the following URL, which itself appears to be a copyright violation,, or others like it accessible via Google. See WP:NOR and WP:Copyvio and their related links. --NYScholar (talk) 10:12, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The credit to the photograph in the jamd.com webpage is: "(Photo by Baron/Getty Images) by Baron Sunday January 1st, 1950 reference: 2663401". That is a copyright-protected property and should not be uploaded first to flickr and then to Wikipedia Commons w/o any proper licensing information allowing it to be given a GNU free documentation license. It is not in the "public domain."  It belongs to Getty Images and the photographer Baron.  This image copyright violation needs reporting.  --NYScholar (talk) 21:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Married Name
In some social circumstances, Antonia Fraser uses her married name "Antonia Pinter". This has been wrongly phrased, 'Fraser' is also her married name.--JO 24 (talk) 06:58, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Incorporated in the lead in a better way, with proper source citations. --NYScholar (talk) 20:05, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

She may continue to use the name Lady Antonia Fraser as an author but she married Harold Pinter in 1980. The way it's phrased sounds as if it's a name she used without having a right to it.PhilomenaO&#39;M (talk) 17:29, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Ringing Prose
'Correcting those who notice only her physical beauty – remarked upon both in her youth and well into her seventh decade – some readers and audience members of her talks have stressed that she is "more than just a pretty face" but actually an accomplished historian and "an intellectual".' Horray! This is the kind of ringing prose that graces the pages of the Sunday Telegraph's colour supplement. --OhNoPeedyPeebles (talk) 23:27, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps she wrote it herself. --OhNoPeedyPeebles (talk) 23:28, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * True nonetheless. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:22, 27 August 2008 (UTC).

Removed item

 * "Antonia Fraser" – Biography featured in "Participating Authors", conference on "Real Lives: Exploring Memoir and Biography", The Shakespeare & Company Literary Festival: festivalandco.com, 13 – 15 June 2008, Paris, France.

Can't find the biography there. Perhaps something has changed at the site; or perhaps she appeared as a "participating author" in a different year: see Participating authors sec., where I do not see a biography of Lady Antonia Fraser. Until it can be verified moving this item here for further investigation. One of her daughters appears to be featured elsewhere on the site (maiden name: Natasha Fraser/Natasha Fraser-Cavassoni [author of a biography of Sam Spiegel; perhaps she took her mother's place]): see the program links. --NYScholar (talk) 00:49, 9 April 2009 (UTC) According to the site, the conference was held on 12 (not 13) to 15 June 2008. --NYScholar (talk) 00:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC) (updated) --NYScholar (talk) 01:00, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Upon further investigation have found that she was originally scheduled to appear (and her biography was probably on the site then), but she had to cancel her appearance due to her late husband Harold Pinter's poor health at the time; here's verification of that in the following news article on : "Shakespeare and Company Literary Festival" at the Telegraph: "There was a slight note of disappointment about Friday, as Lady Antonia Fraser had to cancel her talk due to the health of her husband Harold Pinter." --NYScholar (talk) 00:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC) (updated) --NYScholar (talk) 01:00, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, come on
"Correcting those who notice only her physical beauty—remarked upon both in her youth and well into her seventh decade—some commentators stress that, "more than just a pretty face", she is an accomplished historian and "an intellectual".[13]" Removed this for reasons that are presumably self-evident. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.157.224.14 (talk) 18:32, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * To single-topic anon: Not self-evident. Please explain reason for revert of well-sourced material. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:03, 16 January 2010 (UTC).
 * As the single-topic anon with two edits has not provided a reason for deleting well-sourced material, I have restored it. Xxanthippe (talk) 00:19, 19 January 2010 (UTC).

Memoir Needs Update "Must You Go?"
Recent CBC interview of the actual memoir spurred my lookup, and I found the article out of date. The memoir is in print:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jan/16/must-you-go-fraser-review —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.66.25.129 (talk) 23:05, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Missing category
She is missing from Category:James Tait Black Memorial Prize recipients. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.40.98.173 (talk) 22:34, 9 October 2012‎
 * Yes check.svg Done -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:04, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Nationality
Why is this woman described as Anglo-Irish? Even by the typical standards of wikipedia in defining nationality with illogical inconsistancies, the definition of this woman's nationality is bewildering to say the least. Her father was protestant Anglo-Irish, her mother English, and she herself was born in England. Why, therefore, is she not defined as English or even British? Does she have dual nationality?

It really is about time this organisation was getting its act together in laying down strict guidelines on this issue and others relating to ethnicity categories. If no measures are taken to implement such vital changes, which might go some way in improving the reputation of this database as one worthy of credit, then one can only draw the reasonable conclusion that such indifference to improvement can only be attributed to either downright ineptitude or something even more serious, such as a sinister hidden agenda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.78.245.2 (talk) 06:22, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

I suppose it comes down to whether Lady Fraser would agree with the description or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.145.157 (talk) 01:59, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 February 2014
Would it be possible to list the kings and queens of England series that was edited by Ms Fraser? The full list is as follows I believe:-

1.      The Saxon Kings by Richard Humble, 1986

2.      The Norman Kings by James Chambers, 1984

3.      Alfred The Great, by Douglas Woodruff, 1984

4.      William I, by Maurice Ashley, 1984

5.      Richard I by John Gillingham, 1985

6.      King John by Maurice Ashley 1985

7.      Edward I by John Chancellor,  1981

8.      Edward II by Caroline Bingham, 1984

9.      Edward III by Paul Johnson, 1984

10.   Richard II by Michael senior,1984

11.   Henry V by Peter Earle, 1983

12.   Edward IV by Gila Falkus, 1984

13.   Richard III by Anthony Cheetham, 1984

14.   Henry VII, by Neville Williams, 1984

15.   Henry VIII, by Robert Lacey, 1972

16.   Mary I, by Jaspar Ridley, 1985

17.   Elizabeth I by Neville Williams, 1984

18.   James I by Antonia Fraser,1984

19.   Charles I by D.R.Watson, 1985

20.   Charles II by Christopher Falkus 1984

21.   James II, by Peter Earle, 1984

22.   William III and Mary II by John Miller 1974

23.   Anne by Gila Curtis, 1985

24.   George I by Joyce Marlow, 1984

25.   George III, by John Clarke, 1984

26.   George IV by Alan Palmer, 1984

27.   William IV by Anne Somerset, 1984

28.   Victoria by Dorothy Marshall, 1984

29.   Edward VII by Keith Middlemas, 1984

30.   George V by Denis Judd, 1986

31.   George VI, by Keith Middlemas, 1985

I could not find this information anywhere else on Wikipedia. It would useful for those wishing to obtain the full collection of the series.

176.254.207.191 (talk) 14:50, 2 February 2014 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Pictogram voting comment.svg|20px]] Note:  This article is no longer Semi-Protected, so you can make these edits yourself, but they may well be considered WP:UNDUE as we only have a selected bibliography of her actual writings, which would be swamped by this list of books she edited - and I am also worried by your phrase "I believe" - please be sure before making any alterations. Arjayay (talk) 18:22, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

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