Talk:Apfelwein

Brandy
Is this the same as apple brandy ? Morwen - Talk 09:05, 21 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure; I was working from de: --User:Merovingian (t) (c) 21:12, July 21, 2005 (UTC)


 * Brandy contains 40-60% alcohol by volume, cider is more comparable to beer's alcohol content, and schnapps is usually around 40%.  In Germany at least all three cannot contain any grain alcohol, only a fermented fruit (in the US we use the term schnapps much more loosely).  --Laura Scudder | Talk 19:25, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Viez route
Is this Viez route really called rue de cidre? Why? The correct French would be route du cidre, but why does it have a French name at all? Andrew Dalby 18:02, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Copy edit
I fixed some basic typos and some tone that struck me as off. I also changed wording where, as far as myself and a dictionary were aware, the wrong word (presumably something lost in translation from German?) was used. This is why I re-wrote (see a diff) the bit about a serrated glass being used -- "examination" didn't seem to fit. I've left alone some points I'm unclear with, as admittedly neither Apfelwein nor the stuff of Germany is my forte. Particularly, the bit about the stoneware and glasses -- "blue sample", et al. It's a good article, but someone who knows more about the subject should definately take a look. Zelse81 00:07, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I have changed some more of the article to make it a bit more readable and there is not much more a copy-editor can do, so I have removed the tag. If you want more help on the article you need to do what Zelse81 suggests and put an expert tag on it. JenLouise 01:49, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Isn't This Another Name For Cider?
why is this article separate from cider? there is nothing in the article to indicate a pressing need for it to be different. in fact, the opening line seems to indicate that they are two different words for the same thing. Whateley23 04:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Isn't Champagne just another name for sparkling wine (foam wine)? Why does champagne (wine) have it's own article then, if it's only a goddamn trademark? And well, not every cider can be considered Apfelwein, because Apfelwein indicates certain requirements for the beverage

Indeed Äbbelwoi ain´t just ordinary Cider ! The comparison with the Champagne is right on the money. In addition Äbbelwoi is the most important liquid nourishment in Hessen ! 85.180.164.111 19:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

No, Apfelwein tastes different to cider, and the process is different as well. Applewine is NOT sparkling/fizzy, as one would expect from cidre. --91.2.72.162 (talk) 21:17, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Cider is not usually fizzy. Real cider is not. The French produce a cider by a method which includes a natural carbonation. Most commercial ciders have forced carbonation - that is the fizz is added after the cider is made. Cider has a variety of tastes. I have tasted some German ciders and they are similar to English real cider.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  18:23, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

How Apfelwein is made
The article only says "a German variant of cider made out of apples" (that last part is actually implied, isn't it). The only recipe mentioned - and labelled "typical" - is that of an American homebrewer who adds dextrose and wine yeast. Traditional Apfelwein making doesn't involve either of these (and takes three to four months, not one). This basically comes down to the article not really saying what Apfelwein is - which I would have thought to be its main purpose. I think that's why especially the non-German/non-Hessian readers keep asking how it's different to cider. Danny.adair (talk) 00:08, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Apfelwein/Cider in Germany
I strongly oppose the recent move to "Cider in Germany" and suggest to move the article back to "Apfelwein". The current title is almost OR as Apfelwein is not merely the German name for cider, as anyone who has tasted both can confirm.--Coatilex (talk) 16:23, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

I second this. Apfelwein tastes nothing like cider. It is as is typical for Germany, exactly what's on the label, it's apple wine, whereas cider is more along the lines of an apple beer. tangentially —Preceding undated comment added 08:48, 28 January 2012 (UTC).


 * Apfelwein is the German word for cider. I have put in two sources for that statement to reassure people.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  17:55, 6 June 2012 (UTC)


 * As regards the taste, I have tasted some German ciders and they are similar to English real cider, though some are similar to Basque cider, and others are similar to sweet commercial ciders.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  18:25, 6 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Are you aware that stuff sold in Germany as cider is called cider specifically to distinguish it from Apfelwein??--Coatilex (talk) 15:54, 9 July 2012 (UTC)


 * As a German from Frankfurt who's been making Ebbelwoi for years (btw no need to add yeast or sugar) I second this whole-heartedly. In Germany "Cider" (more often the French term "Cidre" is used) refers to a related beverage that usually has much more carbonic acid. Maybe you bought something in Germany that was sold to you as "Cider"? I have tasted English and New Zealand "Cider" and to me it does not taste similar. I believe that the majority of Germans would disagree that Apfelwein is the German word for Cider. I note SilkTork's sources are not German. Danny.adair (talk) 11:25, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Also please compare http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apfelwein with http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cidre - don't you find it odd that they are both relatively long articles in their own right? The German speaking editors seem to agree they are different things... Danny.adair (talk) 11:30, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Both the german wikipedia and the Duden distinguish Apfelwein and Cider/Cidre, so this american source from 1903 may not be that reliable. Apfelwine is never sparkling and has a distinct sour taste while most ciders are sparkling (according to both Merriam-Webster and the english wikipedia, even if SilkTork does not agree with this) and would be Apfelsekt, Apfelschaumwein or Apfelperlwein in German, although they are usually sold as cidre or cider, even when produced in germany. 82.113.106.46 (talk) 23:25, 6 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Cider is a fermented alcoholic beverage made from fruit juice, most commonly and traditionally apple juice. Apfelwein is a fermented alcoholic beverage made from apple juice. That doesn't make them the same. The Federal Ministry of Food, Agriculture and Consumer Protection publishes a set of guidelines regarding "wine-like and sparkling wine-like beverages" (http://www.bmelv.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/Ernaehrung/Lebensmittelbuch/LeitsaetzeWeinaehnlicheGetraenke.pdf?__blob=publicationFile) which distinguishes between Apfelwein, Most, Apfel-Cidre, Apfeltischwein, Apfeldessertwein, Apfelperlwein and Apfelschaumwein, with respect to the use vs. omission of sugar, water, partial vs. full fermentation, alcohol level and pressure of carbonic acid. The English wikipedia article for Cider says: "If the cider is to be bottled, usually some extra sugar is added for sparkle." Never ever ever would this be done to Apfelwein. This wikipedia article "Cider in Germany" says "It has an alcohol content of 5.5%–7% and a tart, sour taste." (btw note the official specs just saying "at least 5%", the 7% just happens to be a natural boundary when no sugar is added). Why is there no Apfelwein with 2% alcohol? Why does the English article on Cider not mention Cider as having a "tart, sour taste", why does only the "German name for Cider" taste like this and not sweet? In short, why would Germans call Cider Apfelwein when it is "the same just... not"? Danny.adair (talk) 04:19, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Route du Cidre
please compare: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viezstraße — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uktoytoy (talk • contribs) 17:05, 7 October 2011 (UTC) --Uktoytoy (talk) 17:07, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Suggested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Page moved. The discussion had gone on for nearly a month with no oppose votes. J I P &#124; Talk 04:27, 13 February 2013 (UTC)  J I P  &#124; Talk 04:27, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Cider in Germany → Apfelwein – Apfelwein is not the German word for Cider - see discussion above which admin SilkTork seemingly abandoned in June 2012. Danny.adair (talk) 01:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Survey

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 * Comment is this supposed to only cover Germany, or other German-speaking regions as well? As the introduction can be construed to include Switzerland and Austria... -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 08:21, 20 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Support. The article refers to the drink as Apfelwein pretty much everywhere. It seems silly to name the article "the German drink that would be called cider were Germany an English-speaking country". J I P  &#124; Talk 15:03, 10 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Support per JIP above (plus the "...in German-speaking countries..." currently in the opening sentence). Would italic title or DISPLAYTITLE then be in order? CsDix (talk) 17:59, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think the title needs to be italicised just because it's a non-English word. J I P  &#124; Talk 18:44, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment non-admin closure, requested G7 page delete on target page to make room for move. Tiggerjay (talk) 22:55, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

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 * That discussion is about carbonation, not all ciders are sparkling or carbonated. -- 76.65.128.43 (talk) 08:18, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Commercial Varieties
As noted by User:FerrousCathode, "The examples are from a variety of producers, so it clearly does not fall under WP:PROMOTION but instead provides illustrative examples". I think the IP who has blanked this section four times is guilty of disruptive editing. jmcw (talk) 21:10, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't really see the point in these "illustrative examples" to be honest, and would tend to agree with the IP that a section of "commercial varieties" adds little to the article. --Six words (talk) 08:58, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Nutrition
The apple belongs to the genus of pome fruit plants of the family Rosaceae. Worldwide there are about 200,000 different varieties of apples, of which approximately 1000 are growing in Germany. It is considered a true vitamin bomb, it contains vitamins such as provitamin A, vitamins B1, B2, B6, E and C, as well as niacin and folic acid. It also contains many minerals and trace elements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marteen86 (talk • contribs) 19:44, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Template:Apples
Dear All, please see here a discussion on the inclusion of the "Apples" template on food products. Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 12:29, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

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Speierling - also wrong
"Apfelwein [...] are German words for cider. It is made from a mix of sour tasting apples, such as "Bohnapfel" or "Speierling", respectively."

The very first sentence has already been discussed (and is still wrong).

The second sentence is highly misleading - Apfelwein is not made "from" Speierling. Speierling is more like a berry addon. Yes it is technically a pome, but only 1-3% of Speierling is added to a handful of Apfelwein varieties around Frankfurt, which gives them a distinct bitterness. And of course Apfelwein is made from a gazillion of varieties, incl. sweet ones - traditionally a mix but in modern times also single variety Apfelwein.

I'm sorry I realise this is far less constructive than editing the article but this page still hurts so much, I feel sorry for people coming here for facts. Danny.adair (talk) 08:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Actually the third paragraph mentions this (and calls the Speierling fruit "berries") so is already in direct contradiction to the second sentence. Danny.adair (talk) 08:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)