Talk:Armindo Freitas-Magalhães

About References
References should be inserted to verify the facts claimed in the text. Simply naming a source or an institute and giving its web page does not constitute a valid reference if it does not verify the text (e.g. even mention the person's name). --Triwbe (talk) 19:11, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Trimming needed
The biography is full of weasel words, biased info and trivial details. Now it reads:

Freitas-Magalhães, A. (1966-) was born in Fornelos, North of Portugal. His work has been the focus of many print, radio, and television appearances (e.g. Folha de São Paulo, Brazil). He provides training in conjunction with Paul Ekman in detecting deception and evaluating truthfulness. He is currently consultant to Ekman Group (USA). He is the author of the book "The Psychology of Human Smile". Since 2006 he is Professor of Psychology of Emotions, Psychology and Law, Applied Psychology and Experimental Psychology at University Fernando Pessoa(UFP). He is a founder and currently director of Facial Emotion Expression Lab (FEELab)at University Fernando Pessoa Health School. He is a fellow of the International Society for Research on Emotions (ISRE),  the Society for Personality and Social Psychology (SPSP) and of the International Society for Facial Expression (ISFE). Freitas-Magalhães is the author of F-M Portuguese Face Database (F-MPF, 2003), F-M Emotional Intelligence Scale] (F-MEIS, 2004)  and  Smile Perception Scale] (SPS, 2003) , unique in the world (Ph.D. Thesis, 2003). Faculty member and Director of Facial Emotion Expression Lab (FEELab), at UFP, Prof. Freitas-Magalhães has also written several books, his studies focusing on the recognition from basic emotions, particularly the smile. He was the President of Portuguese Youth Writers Association (AJEP, Lisbon, 1990-1994) and is a member of several Portuguese and foreign institutions in the scientific and literary domains. He was founder of National Front for the Defense of Culture (Lisbon, 1992) with José Saramago (Literature Nobel Prize, 1998), Natália Correia, Urbano Tavares Rodrigues e David Mourão-Ferreira. He lives in Oporto, North of Portugal, with is wife Ana, and his son, Gonçalo. His personal interests include international travel, photography, poetry, web design and simply to observe the face world.

After editing I come to this (and I think there are still too many details there - like author of a book - that is practically part of his job)

Freitas-Magalhães, A. (1966-) was born in Fornelos, North of Portugal. His work has received media attention. . He provides training with Paul Ekman in detecting deception and evaluating truthfulness, and currently consultant to the Ekman Group (USA). He is the author of the book "The Psychology of Human Smile". Since 2006 he is Professor of Psychology of Emotions, Psychology and Law, Applied Psychology and Experimental Psychology at University Fernando Pessoa(UFP). He is a founder and currently director of Facial Emotion Expression Lab (FEELab)at that university. He is fellow of several international scientific societies, as well as being member of several literary societies. His studies focuss on the recognition from basic emotions, particularly the smile. He founded of National Front for the Defense of Culture (Lisbon, 1992) with among others José Saramago. He lives in Oporto with is wife Ana, and his son, Gonçalo.

So what do you think. trimming in place? Arnoutf (talk) 20:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * My suggestion was implemented without comment or summary by the anon 195. editor (is that Potugal?). I think this implies (s)he agrees. I cleaned out the rest of the article similarly (alomst halving length) and removed the maintenance tags. Arnoutf (talk) 12:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Notability
What is so notable of this person above and beyond any normal university professor; they all write books, appear on television, publish articles (>100 peer reviewed articles is not exceptional for a professor; this guy seems to have to add conf proceedings and reports to achieve 100). The only claim to notability beyond his normal job profile is being mentioned professor of the year by a commercial biographical information publisher International Biographical Centre; which has dozens of such awards every year. (not wanting to doubt good faith I think it is striking the original article was put up by an editor named feelab1, which happens to be the name of the lab this professor founded and is director of; which makes me wonder about potential conflict of interest of the original creator of the article). Arnoutf (talk) 19:50, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, it does have the air of WP:COI about it. --Triwbe (talk) 20:16, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Looking at WP:PROF guidelines, I would say this professor is not notable. The books are not widely used, the awards are not leading. The other criteria are not even distantly met. I think this article should probably be deleted. Arnoutf (talk) 22:27, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Books
I have been trying to locate the books added by the 195. anon editor. However it appears these book do NOT exist. At least, the books DO appear to exist in Portuguese version only; so there is no actual book with the title in English. In my opinion translating book titles is not a good idea as that (at best) implies the book is in English. Therefore, awaiting evidence the books are actually publicly available in English, I have removed the book listing. Arnoutf (talk) 18:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * None of the listed books seem to be notable, many of them published by a non-world leading university press. Many of them in Portuguese. Writing books and articles is the core business of academics, they should only be mentioned on Wikipedia if they are evidently important in themselves and not just part of the CV of the academic (we do not list every single article ever written by a journal either).
 * Therefore I have been bold and removed the bunch. Please give a clear reason why the books are important before re-adding. Arnoutf (talk) 17:34, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

notability of publications
The list of publications contains books published by
 * 1) University Fernando Pessoa Press -- This is the university publisher of Freitas-Magalhaes university. A google search does not provide any evidence that this publisher is in any way notable (and even the formal Portuguese name gives little confidence this is a major publisher ). This makes it very unlikely that any of these publications are of more than local importance.
 * 2) A book self-published by Freias-Magalhaes'  lab.
 * 3) A chapter in an Elsevier publication.

To be honest the first two publishers are obscure and it is very unlikely that books published by those publishers will have a notable impact on international scientific discourse.

The last publisher Elsevier is not obscure, but a chapter in an encyclopedia of theirs is a short summary aimed at a broader public - tertiary literature. Writing such chapters is very common for academics, to an extent that it hardly counts towards e.g. tenure track criteria in many systems. Hence this particular chapter is likely not very notable on its own.

In addition, while English titles are mentioned, the ISBN refers to a Portuguese book, hence the titles listed here do not exist as such e.g.  and cannot be found with the provided information e.g.

Actually the only listing I could find was the chapter in the Elsevier encyclopedia.

In short: Evidence of the actual existence of these books under the listed English titles is absent. The only publication that can be found is a rather unnotable 10 page entry in an Encyclopedia.

This all says nothing about the quality of the work. However it says much about notability, or indeed existence that it cannot be found.

I have been bold and removed the book list for all those reasons, but this has been re-added without even an edit summary by anon editer. Per WP:BRD I am waiting for their response. Arnoutf (talk) 19:47, 14 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I have posted the following on Portuguese anon editors talk page 213.22.198.195. The editor has been putting back references to books with ISBN numbers referring to Portuguese books. If these books exist under the English title, then the English ISBN should be listed. If these books do not exist under an English title, the added titles do not exist and should not be listed. This has nothing to do with notability, just putting up evidently incorrect stuff.
 * please do not add non-notable books to the Freitas Magalhaes page. In any case make sure the books do actually exist and are published under the provided title.


 * The book with the ISBN ISBN 978-989-643-031-3 for example does not exist with the provided title "The Psychology of Emotions: The Allure of Human Face." has a Portuguese title and not an English title according to google ; and hence cannot be the same (English language) book listed here.


 * In fact the only evidence I find for an English language book is on Amazon ; the first volume of the listed Emotional Expression: The Brain and The Face. However this book has ISBN 978-989-643-111-2 and NOT ISBN 978-989-643-034-4 as listed.


 * I have repeatedly asked NOT to list incorrect information, your only response has been to put the information back without even given a summary of why you think this information is worthwhile. Please stop. If you think this information is important at least make sure it is correct. Arnoutf (talk) 14:22, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

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