Talk:Army of the Mughal Empire

Contested deletion
This page should not be speedily deleted because of may be copyright material from http://orbat.com/site/cimh/aditya/Mughal-army.htm --Bad Buu (talk) 10:00, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I am a bit confused. You added a speedy delete template and are now contesting it. I've removed the template and restored the article to the (poor) state that existed prior to the copy/paste of content. Hopefully, that resolves the issue. - Sitush (talk) 10:57, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Too detailed?
I know that this article has a lot of problems, including a dire need for more, and more modern, sources. However, it seems to me to be far too detailed and I feel that it could be trimmed considerably without impacting on the general reader. For example, a specialist reader probably already knows about the intricacies of the pay system or, if they do not, is more than capable of reading the sources to delve into it. So, do we really need a table outlining the full pay scales and do we really need so much information about fines and suchlike? - Sitush (talk) 16:32, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree. Every section in the current version needs to be reduced to a summary paragraph. --regentspark (comment) 18:16, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Pay
Can this be correct? The Mughal empire lasted from 1469 to 1857, almost four hundred years. Even if we end it at Auranzeb's death in 1707, did the pay stay the same through all those years? Doesn't seem likely. --regentspark (comment) 19:03, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Looking at the source, it appears that the pay rates are drawn from three sources dated 1640 and 1690 and one whose date I can't figure out. That's not clear at all in the text. Also, is this sort of verbatim copy really kosher? Aren't we supposed to write our own articles? And, even though the copyright has expired, and there is an acknowledgement in the text, plagiarism is still a concern, is it not? --regentspark (comment) 19:17, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Right now, I'm fixing prose without even having looked at the few sources, which is not ideal but this thing is a bit of an embarrassment. I don't like copy/paste of public domain sources and hope to mangle things so much here that it no longer is such. However, Moonriddengirl has checked it out and thinks it is ok from the legal aspect. The attribution tag at the bottom apparently covers it all, per User_talk:Sitush. If I had it my way, I'd make such things contrary to policy - for dozens of reasons, including style, potential anachronism and both communal & personal integrity - but there we go ... - Sitush (talk) 07:47, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2014
please make an edit on the Cavalry section, its quite ignorant and has a very euro centrist view which is not at all relvant and has no information for people interested in Mughal cavalry which was a solid tradition based in the turko-mongol tradition.

137.92.216.24 (talk) 02:17, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. -- El Hef  ( Meep? ) 02:40, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Stubbed
Stubbed again. The only significant source was the copy/paste of Irvine (1903) and that isn't reliable. - Sitush (talk) 13:45, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2016
ParisChilled (talk) 02:33, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Correcting Grammar and Spelling.

It was very very poorest branch in mughal military. Mughal emperos does not show any interest in their navy but they maintain war boats. But theu have no large warships. It also consists pf transport ships. The war boats mainly used to control pirates and some time in war also.

It was the weakest and poorest branch of the Mughal Military.The Empire did maintain warships, however they were relatively small. The fleet also consisted of transport ships. The Navy's main duty was controlling piracy, but they also were used in war.
 * Yes check.svg Done Topher385 (talk) 02:59, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2017
106.67.35.15 (talk) 15:31, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER   ★  16:36, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

"Unique system"
Is this system of recruiting armies "unique"? Having a king whose "officers" recruit their own troops from their estates sounds exactly the same as medieval feudalism. This is Asiatic feudalism, it's hardly "unique". Gymnophoria (talk) 09:13, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Command language
The command language of Babur's army was Chagatai Turkic. Which language was it in later periods and when did the shift take place?

distant campaigns
according to my information the "Mogul Army" fought in lands as distant as "Mozambique" and "Sri Lanka"!

Mughal Army was a formidable force armed with the musket (rifle) and Sepoy. 137.59.221.36 (talk) 17:25, 24 December 2021 (UTC)\\\\~\\~\137.59.221.36 (talk)\ 137.59.221.36 (talk) 17:25, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

spelling
is the correct spelling "Mughal" or is it "Mogul"? 137.59.221.36 (talk) 17:26, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Mughal is the commonly accepted English spelling. SKAG123 (talk) 05:49, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

"Chela"
A unit called "Chela" first appeared in the works of the "Mogul Empire" staunch critics such as the Islamist politician named "Maududi".

This article needs to be more accurate! 137.59.221.36 (talk)\137.59.221.36 (talk) 17:10, 25 December 2021 (UTC)\\\\\\~ 137.59.221.36 (talk) 17:10, 25 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Please cite Reliable sources SKAG123 (talk) 05:50, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Madarchod mughal
Madarchod mughal 106.76.74.14 (talk) 08:14, 22 January 2022 (UTC)


 * It is not clear what portion of the article. please state your requested changes in the format: Change X to Y or change Y to Z.
 * Also, reminder, this talk page is for discussing contributions to the article.
 * This is NOT foram to discuss your opinion about the Mughal Army as there are various other social media sites for that.
 * Also, please refrain from using insults on Wikipedia. SKAG123 (talk) 05:58, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Change title
Change title from Army of the Mughal Empire to Mughal Army SKAG123 (talk) 05:47, 26 February 2023 (UTC)


 * must ask Teahouse for renaming this article Ahendra (talk) 12:26, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2023
223.123.94.203 (talk) 14:30, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 15:00, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Navy section expansions
hello, im expanding the Naval section into two sections.. the first is about the history.. while the seconds is about the ships and fleets which recorded that operated in Imperial Mughal possession, outside the english and portuguese ones of course, which belonging to their respective empires possession Ahendra (talk) 17:54, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

grammar
Stephen Morillo also noted about western scholarship generally overlooked on how destructive is was Asian empires such as the Mughal in their conquest, not unlike the Roman empire. British historian Jeremy Black asserted the Mughal military struggles until its decline during Nader Shah's invasion of India were the central theme of Asiatic military development in the 17th century, contrary to the common misconception that though the European colonial powers Military Revolution as major factor in Asia. Pradeep P. Barua also noted the successful takeover of rule of India region governance by British Raj, was not stemmed from advance military organization, technology, or fighting skill in the region, but instead that because the British can become major guarantor in social and political stability after the decline of Mughal.:

this all over the place. grammar syntax. whats going on 2A00:23C6:5385:EE01:C1B1:1CBF:436C:552D (talk) 00:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)


 * noted
 * British historian Jeremy Black viewed that the Mughal military struggles until their decline in the wake of Nader Shah's invasion of India has reflected the Asiatic military development in the 17th century. Black's evaluation contrasted other modern military historians view that the Asian military during that era were influenced by in Military Revolution Europe. Indian Historian Pradeep P. Barua also remarked that the successful takeover of Mughal rule in India by the British Raj was not stemmed from advance the British military organization, technology, or fighting skill. but it rather because the British Raj could offer political stability in India region with their civil administrations after the decline of Mughal authority.
 * sounds better now? i revamping it without erasing the key points from the references from Jeremy black and Pradeep Barua
 * Ahendra (talk) 07:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2024
eventully = eventually 2603:8000:D300:3650:AD45:E6EE:7A8:8B7C (talk) 05:17, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 05:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)