Talk:Attack of the Graske

Is Billie in this?
The Doctor Who Magazine report about this "Red Button episode" just said that "David Tennant has ... been filming scenes" for it. No mention of Billie. I don't think I've seen mention of Rose being in this anywhere else, either. (Rose's absence might jibe with the viewer being the Doctor's companion.)

Should we remove her from the cast list, or wait till we have more information? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 07:02, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm, my tv doesn't like Attack of the Graske :( just get frozen video oh well Tim! (talk) 20:47, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

rose is not in this one. the doctor mentions dropping her off at an abba concert —billy turner

The two endings
It is possible to be told you aren't quite ready even if you did make the right choice at the end, provided you made enough wrong choices beforehand - believe me 8-)! Daibhid C 23:42, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

I got told that and only made one mistake in flying the TARDIS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.151.105.166 (talk) 01:29, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Technical notes
Added a technical notes section based on observation of how it worked. Has anyone actually ever done anything like this before on telly? I know about laserdisc video game. Sadly I didn't get to go on it properly as it was incompatible with my freeview box. Morwen - Talk 22:37, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I've only heard of it being done as actual games, but not as a "live" (so to speak) broadcast. But then my knowledge in this particular area isn't very comprehensive. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * There was something similar after BBC 2's Egypt. The viewer was recruited by a 1920s spiritulist to return the hand of Tutenkamen's sister to her tomb. It's still available on the website here. Daibhid C 17:27, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The was a very similar game running after episodes of the last series of Spooks - switching between cameras, choosing options. I haven't seen Attack of the Graske in full yet (my game crashed) but it looked pretty similar. --Whouk (talk) 14:19, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Official Canon?
I am wondering, should this even be linked between the Christmas Invasion and the second series episode "New Earth"? It's awfully hard to consider this "official", even though it does have the doctor and seems to be done by the same production staff, wouldn't this episode be more like "Dimensions in Time"? If so, should the information be unlinked from those other pages, and let this rest seprately? I say it probably should, as it really doesn't fit with the rest of the show, as the central part of the story is breaking the 4th wall. Radagast83 23:20, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I think a large part of the reason why this is in the running order is because of how the production team have hyped it up as being a full-fledged production with new sets, new effects, etc. which seems to lend it a bit more legitimacy. That being said, what do other people think? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 23:33, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't consider it canon, although I consider it more like a particularly advanced game than Dimensions in Time, but then we're not dictating what's canonical and what isn't.


 * Potentially the Beeb could chose to air it again after every episode of series two, which would confuse where it fits in somewhat. It's not a proper episode of Doctor Who and isn't pretending to be, and wasn't broadcast on a "proper" TV channel - arguably it's no more a TV episode than if the same game had been placed on the official BBC website only.


 * That all said - and I wouldn't list it myself - given how it was promoted, as khaosworks says, I'm not sure there is a sufficiently strong argument to remove it now it's in the infoboxes. --Whouk (talk) 23:41, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I can see arguments both ways — on the one hand, it was produced by (members of) the "official" production team, at a time when the series was in production (then again, who was responsible for The Pescatons?). The Christmassy content seems to tie it to TCI a bit (although I suppose that it could be broadcast again after next year's Christmas special).  I also think there's a good chance that it will show up on the DVD of The Christmas Invasion, along with the Children in Need scene — not that that makes it any more or less canonical — after all, "Oh, Mummy!" isn't a canonical account of Sutekh's life after Pyramids of Mars!


 * That wasn't very helpful, was it? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 03:20, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Whouk, I meant only to remove the "Preceded by" and "Followed by" information, as it's more accurate to say that "New Earth" follows "Christmas Invasion" instead of following "Attack of the Graske". "Attack" is more in the la-la land of non-official Doctor Who stuff like "DiT", I mean, it's a game!  It's nice that they went all out in the production, but the entire concept (beyond a game) is quite silly, espeically since there are multiple endings to chose from.  That alone should make it outside the realm of "offical" Who.Radagast83 04:45, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Adding possible support to Radagast's argument, the BBC's new series episode guide doesn't list Attack of the Graske (or the CiN scene). Outpost Gallifrey's Tenth Doctor episode guide page does have "Attack of the Graske", but in a separate "Other stories" section.  (OG does include the CiN scene.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:59, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * That's interesting. I don't see any justification for not including the CiN episode in the sequence, but I'd happily support having TCI followed by New Earth and linking to the Attack of the Graske article from the TCI article. --Whouk (talk) 20:11, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd be fine with that too. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 22:10, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Attack of the Graske could be considered canonical. The fact that there are multiple outcomes can be explained by the Doctor's explanation that Attack of the Graske is "in a time loop", which could 'explain' multiple outcomes until it turned out 'right'. Additionally, in Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane?, Sarah Jane states that "there was some Graske activity on Earth a few years back". However, placement of the events of Attack of the Graske during the events of The Christmas Invasion is not canonically possible because of the absence of Rose. However, it could be the same Christmas as the events of The Christmas Invasion. The Doctor could conceivably travel to the same period at a later point of his tenure with Rose while she's at the Abba concert without crossing her time line and causing 'timey-wimey' problems. This could come before New Earth.--Jeffro77 (talk) 06:55, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

repeat?
>(It did go out on 1st Jan; I suggest any "technical difficulties" were a general incompatibility with a >particular STB (eg the Sony VTX-D800U).) When it failed after the first option, the BBC put out a message saying something like 'We regret that we are unable to bring you this service due to technical difficulties', which suggested a fault at source. If what you say is correct (and I assume it is if you managed to see the repeat), then that they should have said 'you are having trouble receiving this service due to compatibility problems'. Wretched BBC! DavidFarmbrough 08:30, 5 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I played it fine (and for the first time) at 8pm on New Year's Day. --Whouk (talk) 08:56, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

No, I got that same message about "technical difficulties" on the VTX-D800U on the New Year's Day repeat. Many people have reported problems with that STB (on both broadcasts), so it seems pretty definite that message is just an all-encompassing "something's gone wrong in the software" placeholder. It could conceivably appear if there was a broadcast problem, but in practice it appears the broadcast went out fine (or at least as intended), so if you saw it, it was just an incompatibility. --KJBracey 15:10, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Aspect ratio of opening titles
To me they look like the regular 16:9 titles squashed sideways into 4:3 (so that it appears tall and thin, instead of being cropped for 4:3). Can anyone confirm this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.170.115.121 (talk • contribs).

Availability
I could play the game on the BBC home page just fine, and I'm not a UK or Ireland resident. (I'm in Sweden.) If anyone else has had success with this, perhaps the information that it is unavailable to non-UK and Ireland broadband users should be removed or edited? Saffran 11:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I too was able to access is it. Clovis15 07:19, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Return of the Graske
Don't think the article mentions this but at the end the Doctor says roughly "They'll always be a chance for someone to sort out the Graske later on...might even be me". Is it worth mentioning this, especially since it leaves the door open for the Graske to possibly appear in a standard episode--HellCat86 07:18, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

The killing of Flash
Did the killing of Flash completely compromise the usefulness of the archive? Because the video doesn’t show up anymore--CreecregofLife (talk) 04:42, 25 December 2021 (UTC)