Talk:August 2011 Turkey–Iraq cross-border raids

100 killed
has that been independently confirmed?--93.137.174.41 (talk) 22:40, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope, Turkish claim. As for now (August 29th), they increased the estimation to over 140 guerillas killed, while Iraqi Kurdish authorities reported 7 of their civilians killed.Greyshark09 (talk) 18:54, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * And PKK reported 3 of their fighters killed. The footage depicting 7 civilians killed is proven to be made up according to Turkish military. Kavas (talk) 02:05, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Operation Name
I think someone should find out what the operation name is and change the name of this article to that. Chaldean (talk) 04:23, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The name is as far as I know is "Cehennem Operasyonu" (operation HELL). However, according to ANF, Selahattin Demirtaş has said that the attack on PKK by gound forces would be called "Cehennem Operasyonu": http://www.firatnews.com/index.php?rupel=nuce&nuceID=49949 Kavas (talk) 15:02, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Iran a belligerent or is it a separate conflict?
Since July there are reports of Iranian invasion into Iraqi Kurdistan in retaliation to PJAK guerilla activities, bombing of Kurdish villages and offensive against PJAK, with dozens of casualties. However, it is not a part of the Turkey-PKK conflict, even though some suggest the Turkish attack has been coordinated with Islamic Republic's operation, which began in late July - see, ,. In the last few days there is another escalation in the Iran-PJAK conflict - see,. I think we should split it into a separate acrticle 2011 Iran-Iraq cross-border raids.Greyshark09 (talk) 17:13, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Support, but too tired to create another article. Feel free to take the initiative. Wikifan Be nice  17:17, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The Turks and the Iranians are fighting together. Read this article. --Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 22:13, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Turkish attack resumes (September 7)
Iraqi Kurdistan agency Peyamner reported on renewed Turkish offensive. If verified and notable shall we make another article or merge into this one and rename it?Greyshark09 (talk) 17:34, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

The name is changed accordingly. Kavas (talk) 15:04, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Moving page
Since now we know what the name of this operation is, I think we should move it to Operation Hell, in accordance with Wiki's guidelines. Some Examples: Operation Overlord. Chaldean (talk) 08:01, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think cross-border raid implies a ground operation, and Operation Hell also refers to a ground operation. I have chosen this name since there is no Turkish boot in Iraq, PKK camps are bombed by artillery and F-16s. Kavas (talk) 14:22, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Neutrality
For the neutrality of the article, that we provide sources for both Turkish and PKK claims of casualties, just as was done for Iran and PJAK. Different standards must not be applied to different countries.Kermanshahi (talk) 10:32, 5 October 2011 (UTC) Done. Kavas (talk) 14:13, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

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