Talk:Aureola

Original article from 1911 Encyclopedia Britanica

Is the reference to Roman "Mithras" ("the Bull-Slayer") correct, or should that be the Persian/Zoroastrian "Mithra"? (Or perhaps the Hindu Mitra?) Jorge Stolfi 03:28, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Mandorla
Mandorla should really have its own page, as it isn't the same thing as Aureola.


 * I agree. Thoughts, anyone? Majoreditor (talk) 17:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * See my comment below - I'd combine both with Halo, note that Halo starts "A halo (From Hebrew; הילה, hila) (Greek: ἅλως; also known as a nimbus, aureole, glory, or gloriole)  [...]". Pbhj (talk) 23:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

strange blunder
I see this page follows what the OED calls the "strange blunder" of Didron (1851) in respect of both the meaning and derivation of the term, which really needs sorting. Johnbod (talk) 00:13, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

The distinctions drawn between aureole/a and halo here are not actually correct - see here, and halo now covers most of this material more fully. I am proposing redirecting aureole/a to halo, merging the first part of the text, and then renaming the article "mandorla". Any thoughts? Johnbod (talk) 00:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd be inclined to combine Halo, Mandorla, Nimbus, Aureola under the title Halo. As a native English speaker I think this is what the common man would use to name these terms collectively. The header should have a clear disambiguation of the terms to allow the reader to follow the track for the correct technical term for what they're after. Pbhj (talk) 23:04, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:27, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

To be added, parts of it.
 * Austerlitz -- 88.75.213.180 (talk) 20:14, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Pre-Christian halo / aureola
The bit about this being Pre-Christian is badly written. It mentions the use prior to Christian use - "the same motif was known from several centuries earlier, in pre-Christian Hellenistic art", which hints at pre current epoch, but then mentions a list of kings starting with Kanishka (and presumably chronologically). Kanishka dates from 120± AD (eg this blog, coinsencyclopedia). Which means that the motif is known in post-Christian Hellenistic art, ie there's evidence that there is earlier surviving art from other religious traditions. But it's possible that this originated with Christian depictions or was inspired somehow by events or traditions pertaining to Jesus. I'd be happy to rule this option out with some firm evidence of a pre CE depiction showing a clear halo.

There appears to be some good stuff in Images and ideas in the middle ages by Gerhart B. Ladner, pp 149+, concerning haloes, aereola, mandorla and nimbus, particularly square nimbus ("nimbi" if you like). Ladner discusses E H Ramsden's "The Halo:[...]" and about 50 other citable works in Latin, German, French and English starting from [foot]note 124 and encompassing at least note 131. He doesn't appear to directly mention works pre CE, nor does he mention the works he relies on to assert that the Christian halo as a symbol for Christ dates from the 4th Century. Pbhj (talk) 23:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

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