Talk:Austrian Football Bundesliga

Why is this about the 2004/5 season? The German wikipedia already has the more recent stuff up. As we get further from England, the quality of our coverage of football leagues seems to dwindle. john k 21:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I've just cleaned up the translation - still the odd rough edge, but I'll get to those in time. It's mainly readable and up-to-date now.    A    q    uilina   18:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Austrian Football Bundesliga season
I just noticed that currently, all season articles for the Austrian Football Bundesliga are named Austrian Football Bundesliga xxxx-xx, starting from the first edition Austrian Football Bundesliga 1911–12. The Austrian Bundesliga was not established until 1974, before that, the league was, to my knowledge, named Wiener Liga, then Gauliga Ostmark and, finally, Staatsliga A. Should the season article names be changed to what the league was actually called or stay as Austrian Football Bundesliga xxxx-xx? EA210269 (talk) 01:23, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This discussion was copied from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football
 * Hum, you're right. To me it should be changed.--Latouffedisco (talk) 07:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I also think it should be changed - other country's leagues have name changes accounted for where they've been spotted. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  09:19, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Another change supporter here. The league seasons template should also been altered to something like this once the moves have been made. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 09:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, definitely changed, it is giving false info as it stands. A similar issue arose with (I think it was) the Faroe Islands League as while back, where all the season articles, right back to the league's creation, had titles which included the current sponsored name -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:42, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure about using the layout of the Norwegian template though - I think something like Israeli top flight seasons is nicer, rather than splitting it up so much. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  09:56, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Regarding the Israel spilt - I thought since the highest level was a newly created league at its respective time, it was only fair to display the respective highest classes with their own groups in order to give the reader some extra information.
 * As for Austria, the split should be applied because the Wienerliga was just a league from clubs around Vienna; the Gauliga Ostmark was introducted after the "Anschluß" and thus was part of the German football league system; the Staatsliga A was run by the Austrian Football Association, if I'm correct and the current Bundesliga is run from an independent league association similar to those in England, France or Germany. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 10:22, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not too often I disagree with #57 but I like the Norwegian split better given the lifecycle Austria has - although a slightly reduced font as per the Israeli one is nice.-- Club Oranje T 11:35, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The naming history of the league seems to include far more variants than originally thought. According to the corresponding German article, the league was called "Erste Klasse" from 1910–11 until 1922–23, then "I. Liga" due to the introduction of professionalism from 1923–24 on. It was then renamed "Nationalliga" prior to the 1936–37 season. After the years as "Gauliga Ostmark" between the 1938–39 and 1944–45 seasons, the league was re-introduced as "Liga (A)" or short "A-Liga" for the 1945–46 season. The next name change came for the 1965–66 season when the league was dubbed "Nationalliga" and lasted until the 1973–74 season. After two years as "Bundesliga" in 1974–75 and 1975–76 yet another change was made, this time to "1. Division". The (up to now) last change finally came for the 1993–94 season, when the current Bundesliga name was adopted. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 12:58, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I had a look through a booklet on Austrian football I own and came up with the following naming history. My source finishes in 1991-92: Very confusing! EA210269 (talk) 13:21, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 1911-24: 1. Klasse
 * 1924-37: I. Liga
 * 1937-38: Nationalliga
 * 1938-41: Gauliga Ostmark
 * 1941-45: Gauliga Donau-Alpenland
 * 1945-46: 1. Klasse
 * 1946-49: Liga
 * 1949-59: Staatsliga A (there was also a Staatsliga B until 1959)
 * 1959-65: Staatsliga
 * 1965-74: Nationalliga
 * 1974-76: Bundesliga
 * 1976-??: Bundesliga - 1. Division (due to the introduction of the Bundesliga - 2. Division in 1976)


 * That's even more complicated. We definitely should check the names against multiple sources before renaming anything. I will try to find online sources, plus look for help at the respective German portal. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 13:32, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Given how many names it has gone under, I think splitting the template up into different rows for each name could make it look rather awful, and even a footnote might be too large. Perhaps a footnote explaining that the league was part of the German system from 38-45 might be worthwhile though. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  13:58, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Looking at how the problem was handled on the German and Dutch Wikipedia, naming it Austrian football championship xxxx-xx, seems a simple way to circumnavigate the problem, at least for the time up until 1974. Regarding the template, it may have to split into eras (1911-38, 1938-45, 1945-74, 1974-current) instead of league names to keep it simple. EA210269 (talk) 14:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This is probably the best way to go, true. I also like the idea of eras on the template. So let's do this, then.
 * Given the wealth of history of Austrian football, it is too bad that we currently have no real Austrian contributors. The Austrian articles in general could definitely need some overhaul. --Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 14:31, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Do we need to propose a move for every article in Requested moves or can we just go ahead? I will copy this discussion to the Talk:Austrian Football Bundesliga page to give people that are interessted in the subject but don't watch this page a say. EA210269 (talk) 15:25, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Sponsorship
Should we perhaps mention that Austria is (as far as I know) the only UEFA member whose leagues allow sponsors to add their own names to the club's name and identity. Red Bull Salzburg is the most notable but not the only example, while SC Rheindorf Altach has a "Cashpoint Sportwetten" marketing logo on their club emblem - again, not the only example of such a practice. BigSteve (talk) 08:52, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

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