Talk:Avengers: Endgame/Archive 2

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The twenty-second film

The article currently reads:

"It is intended to be the direct sequel to (Avengers Infinity War) and the twenty-second film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU)."

Now, it is past midnight here, and English is my 3rd language, but am I an idiot for initially interpreting that as there being a film that's somehow 20 seconds long? I mean, there are short films, and then there's the 5-Second Films project, so a (very) short official "film" on its own doesn't seem that crazy... I suppose writing it as "22nd" would be unambiguous, but I understand that's not proper style. --DewCobra (talk) 23:30, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

According to MOS:NUMERAL, writing "22nd" should be fine. Sandrobost (talk) 23:37, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

"Twenty-second" also fine. Without the hyphen it could be construed as a film that lasts 20 seconds. Please gain consensus to change to "22nd". SassyCollins (talk) 07:55, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

IMO, "twenty-second" with the hyphen is ambiguous. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:52, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

22nd is unambiguous, please change it back. Fish+Karate 10:34, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Obviously they're both fine, but since "twenty-second" can cause confusion I see no reason not to change it to "22nd". Sandrobost (talk) 16:26, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Per MOS:NUMERAL, it is acceptable to use "22nd", and that removes any ambiguity. —Locke Cole • t • c 19:49, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

So, is it time yet?

To stop tagging the citations onto the mini character bios in the cast list, rather than the actor names? The former heavily implies we are citing the character descriptions to the sources in question, which is really problematic because none of them are verified in those sources. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:49, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

This seems like an over analysis. Rusted AutoParts 19:09, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

@Rusted AutoParts: What do you mean? A bunch of these character descriptions are dubious (OR based on primary sources that contradict each other) to begin with, and there are citations tagged onto them, but those citations don't support them. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:08, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Inregards to the descriptions being “dubious”, I don’t see that. What’s dubious about how each character is described? It’s fairly accurate to what we seen on screen so I don’t think that’s the word you were thinking of. The citations are primarily sourcing the actor it’s just a format choice to include them at the tailend of the actors entry. It just feels fairly nitpicky in nature. Rusted AutoParts 05:19, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Inregards to the descriptions being “dubious”, I don’t see that. What’s dubious about how each character is described? It’s fairly accurate to what we seen on screen so I don’t think that’s the word you were thinking of. Just a couple of examples. These character descriptions should not be written before the films come out and then preserved indefinitely thereafter, they should be sourced, and given how popular these films are finding such sources shouldn't be a problem.

The citations are primarily sourcing the actor it’s just a format choice to include them at the tailend of the actors entry. It just feels fairly nitpicky in nature. Maybe it is a format choice, but it's a bad format choice given the above.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:06, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Just feels egregiously nitpicky to me. Rusted AutoParts 06:21, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

The difference between a "crown prince" and a "prince in a kingdom that doesn't have a tradition of crown princes", and the difference between a "king" and a "prince" are hardly nitpicky. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:32, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

It is for me when I consider the fact it’s just a brief character description. It’s meant to be nothing more than a quick synopsis. Rusted AutoParts 06:46, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Doesn't mean that we should be negligent in our sourcing or formatting. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:01, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

I’d hardly call the current formatting or sourcing negligent. Practically every aspect of these MCU articles are thoroughly and reliably sourced. Rusted AutoParts 14:57, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Star Lord's parents

Chris Pratt 's entry says "The half-human, half-Celestial leader of the Guardians of the Galaxy who was abducted from Earth as a child and raised by a group of alien thieves and smugglers called the Ravagers." Perhaps we can do with just "The leader of the Guardians..." and skip the human-celestial part. It reads really weird for someone who is not familiar with the plot of Guardians of the Galaxy 2, and it's likely that it won't factor in the film's plot anyway (because, as seen in that film, Peter has already lost such powers). The part that someone unfamiliar with the character would need to know to understand his role, is just that he's the leader of the Guardians. Cambalachero (talk) 15:58, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Agreed; this played no role whatsoever in the plot of the last film, and I think it was only alluded to once or twice in the joke-y dialogue, so there's really no need to assume it's gonna be worth mentioning in relation to this one. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 16:09, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

"Ronin"

Re this edit summary: I can guarantee you that he won't be taking up that moniker in a manner that is explicitly stated in the film's dialogue, since no one in Japan would take the film seriously if they did. It might be referenced in some cutesy, practically invisible way that would not be apparent to anyone watching a foreign-language release of the film, like the references to things like Rocket's otter girlfriend (?) and so on rap-sheets in the trailer for the first Guardians film. The whole "orientalist" thing kinda worked in Wolverine: Samurai a few years back, but that was where the whole film was anachronistic and goofy, and Japanese audiences appreciated it essentially as a comedy (just about anyone who has ever taken a Shinkansen into or out of Ueno/Tokyo knows you can't take a single train from Ueno to Hakata; you'd have to change trains after like two minutes, and the train would not reach that tremendous speed). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:31, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Actually, no, you can't guarantee anything. We can't be sure that he will use the comic book name, but neither that he won't; the current wording is fine as it avoids either prediction. In any case, there is a comic book character named Ronin, Clint Barton did take that identity in comics once, and the suit in the trailer is visually similar, to the point that many reliable sources pointed such similarity. So, even if it stays as just an unmentioned nod to comic book readers, it is still worth mentioning.

In any case, that specific edit is a month old. Why are you discussing it now? Is there a specific change you want to propose? Cambalachero (talk) 15:48, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

It's a figure of speech. It means "I'm 99% certain of this, and here's why". And you don't want to know why I'm discussing it now. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 16:06, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand what are we discussing about, exactly. That you agree with an edit made a month ago and that nobody disputed? Cambalachero (talk) 20:43, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Also a guarantee is 100% certainty. Words have meaning. And if you’re going to discuss, don’t be cryptic like you’re being--Fradio71 (talk) 02:25, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Will this be the last Avengers film in the MCU?

After seeing this, it made me think that the Avengers film series is gonna conclude. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.58.102.254 (talk) 07:04, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

That's definitely what the marketing materials have been pushing for years, long before the title was announced as "Endgame". It's entirely possible that there'll be a new series called New Avengers (Marvel have published several books that literally had that title) and sources speculating on this can be located, but it's really not worth including that stuff on Wikipedia until the title of whatever the next big "team-up" movie will be is announced, even disregarding the fact that we're not supposed to. We also shouldn't be pushing the idea (supported by primary sources but which is pretty unanimously rejected by reliable secondary sources) that this will be the "last" Avengers film any more than necessary, mind you. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:28, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

That link is a fans poll at wikia. Wikipedia users do not engage in discussions about franchise preferences, but there are many other sites for doing that. Cambalachero (talk) 22:37, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Howard the Duck

Is there anything to this? 73.168.15.161 (talk) 15:58, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

I’ve reverted it. Being reported is different from being confirmed and I have great distrust for We Got This Covered. And I have a feeling WGTC hasn’t met Wikipedia’s threshold for reliable yet either--Fradio71 (talk) 17:27, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Please can someone with access add new UK release date?

As per title, sources include https://metro.co.uk/2019/01/30/avengers-endgame-will-released-early-uk-marvel-fans-call-robert-downey-jr-fix-8414480/ and https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a26077803/avengers-endgame-uk-release-date-changed-earlier/.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Irandill (talk • contribs) 21:02, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Per WP:FILMRELEASE we only include the first release (usually a premiere) and the release in the country(s) of origin. So no UK release in this case.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 21:33, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

But the new UK release date is the first release? Apr 25th, one day before US. Irandill (talk) 23:13, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

It’s earlier, not the first. Like I said, the first is usually the premiere.—-TriiipleThreat (talk) 23:43, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Adding that the trailer was delayed for Bush funeral

I think this should be added. Check revision history. HAL333 15:02, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Bring your reason here. Not everybody is going to dig through the revision history. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 18:53, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

My bad. Here it is: "The trailer was originally scheduled to be released on December 6, but was delayed for the funeral of former President George H. W. Bush." HAL333 21:29, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Please provide sources that did not speculate that was to be the case. No one from Marvel or Disney made any indication that this was the intent. This was all speculation by the media based on reported rumors. For all we know, Marvel and Disney always planned to release the trailer the day that they did. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:13, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Okay? I have sources now. HAL333 23:52, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 February 2019

Please add info on the new trailer from the Super Bowl. Sources: 1 23The Trailer itself WikiBrainHead (talk) 00:13, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 02:48, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

 Done WBH's request is fairly obvious. Juxlos (talk) 02:52, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Edit

Let me rdit GamerNoob20018 (talk) 18:32, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Synopsis released

https://www.disney.com.au/movies/avengers-endgame Can someone add this in, please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.167.147.99 (talk) 21:25, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

 Done.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 22:13, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.167.147.99 (talk) 02:31, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 February 2019

TSN (talk) 05:07, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:35, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Article Evaluation

Article "Avengers: Endgame"

The Article Selected from section ":C-Class American cinema articles"

"Avengers: Endgame" article stays on the topic of the movie, but it is under extremely frequent edit due to the Movie's story being leaked little by little and there is currently several different speculations of the movie's outcome and meanings behind it.

Information remains to be incredibly relevant due to the increased anticipation of the movie's release and speculation to come.

The premise and some of the other sections appear very thin as opposed to some of the other sections but this may be due to some people vandalizing the article.

The article is neutral to the "Marvel Universe."

The premise, cast, and music are under-presented.

All of the sources are accurate to the topic and are well organized.

Appropriately cited for the topic.

Conversations are wrapped around the movie and the minimal information currently released and speculation due to drawing from previous information available.

Article Rated C-class and connected to wiki projects.

_WyattHoudeN (talk) 06:38, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 March 2019

How Captain Marvel gains her power in the wikipedia article is more reflective of the comics than the movie. It should be reworked by someone who has seen Captain Marvel. Dcwills (talk) 22:54, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 02:25, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Avengers:Endgame is complete

According to this and several other sources, the directors has said its complete and ready to ship. Faromics (talk) 15:06, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Poster

Implementation of the new official poster to replace the current teaser poster? TheMysteriousEditor (talk) 23:35, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

It’s already there, you may need to empty your cache.—TriiipleThreat (talk) 23:41, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 March 2019

Please include the brand new official poster and replace the teaser poster. KingArti (talk) 18:03, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

 Already done: If you have visited the page recently, then you might need to clear your browser cache.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 18:06, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

cast division query

I think we should divide the cast members into 2 sections between who portrayed the survivors of Infinity War and the fallen heroes. Visokor (talk) 14:59, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

I think its fine as isHAL333 00:39, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 March 2019

Change the poster of the Endgame teaser to the theatrical poster 2601:241:8100:E5C4:80F8:C973:D03E:E5B5 (talk) 01:01, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please provide a link to the file on wikipedia that you would like used instead DannyS712 (talk) 01:04, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 March 2019

Add name of Tilda Swinton reprising her role as the Ancient One in the cast list. 182.69.128.165 (talk) 02:15, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: Please provide a reliable source.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 18:07, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

That isn't true HAL333 02:14, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

New Premise

Adrift in space with no food or water, Tony Stark sends a message to Pepper Potts as his oxygen supply starts to dwindle. Meanwhile, the remaining Avengers -- Thor, Black Widow, Captain America and Bruce Banner -- must figure out a way to bring back their vanquished allies for an epic showdown with Thanos -- the evil demigod who decimated the planet and the universe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaminfour (talk • contribs) 05:01, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

We don't just make up our own premise based on the trailer, especially when the trailer doesn't even explain what the film is about. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:20, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Runtime reportedly revealed by AMC theatres website

https://www.amctheatres.com/movies/avengers-endgame-45840 It’s 182 minutes. Someone PLEASE add this in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.167.147.99 (talk) 17:00, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

It's already been removed from the website and has not yet been confirmed by Disney. As soon as we have a report from either them or someone like the BBFC or MPAA, we'll add it. Sock (tock talk) 19:21, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

How about Fandango? https://twitter.com/Fandango/status/1110225872445820928 Soronast (talk) 14:44, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Add Wong, Favreau and Paltrow in the main cast

While it is shorter, it is still very long and this article is inherently linked to the Infinity War one due to the way they are structured and the content of the films themselves, so I think it makes sense to be consistent between the two and take advantage of the slightly shorter lists that we can use in the lead and infobox if we do it this way. - adamstom97 (talk) 04:36, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, they do really need to be added. The posters released today have confirmed that all three of those characters are in Endgame in some capacity. Mystic Moore (talk) 10:15, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. The three should be added to make it more accurate. DJordan18 (talk) 21:20, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Billing

I realise that the main cast list for this is a bit shorter than the Infinity War one, but I still could see some benefit in using the shorter listing from the top of the poster for the lead and infobox as we do at that page. Does anyone else have thoughts on this? - adamstom97 (talk) 03:06, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Nah, I think its fine as is HAL333 02:15, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

By making it shorter, you’re making the information presented inaccurate. If you’re gonna cut out Benedict Wong, Jon Favreau, and Gwyneth Paltrow, you might as well cut out half the cast from the billing on Avengers: Age of Ultron’s page. -DJordan18 — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJordan18 (talk • contribs) 01:16, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Can we still describe Tony as a playboy?

It's a jokey trailer line from ... something like 17 movies ago (five starring Tony), and as of the start of the previous film he was engaged. We have no evidence he's been unfaithful to Pepper, or even that he would still describe himself this way, even in jest. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:38, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 March 2019

I want to add ancient one to the cast. ThunderCracker247 (talk) 06:55, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

@ThunderCracker247: Do you have a source? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:40, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Hollywood Reporter somewhat indicates "Avengers: Endgame" is indeed around 3 hours and 2 minutes long

So, apparently, if we can take THR as a reliable source, they somewhat indicates "Avengers: Endgame" is indeed around 3 hours and 2 minutes long: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/avengers-endgame-clocks-at-3-hours-longest-marvel-movie-1197113.

Can we add this into the film's wiki page now, since THR says 3 hours and 2 minutes is close to the official runtime? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.206.57.2 (talk) 16:14, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

"probably around three hours"? Can't we just wait until the film is released? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:42, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Winston Duke Is In Avengers: Endgame Cast

Good afternoon folks! I just wanted to say that we should add Winston Duke to the Cast section of this page since he casually confirmed his presence in the film during a Seth Myers interview last week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9jTmUpuH6c — Preceding unsigned comment added by DougMovieMan (talk • contribs) 18:59, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Suggestion : Change The Premise Section.

I have absolutely no idea why the Premise section says what it does. Nothing mentioned here is reflective of the official plot released by Disney as is sourced at the end of the Premise section which actually says;

"The grave course of events set in motion by Thanos that wiped out half the universe and fractured the Avengers ranks compels the remaining Avengers to take one final stand in Marvel Studios’ grand conclusion to twenty-two films, Avengers: Endgame."

It if baffling to me that one individual basically just made whatever plot description they deemed fit, completely ignoring the official one and going so far as to source two articles showing the original, official one but not including it. Why hasn't this been changed yet?

KingNJB (talk) 19:40, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

We don't just copy-and-paste premises from the official sources, they need to be provided here in our own words. Not to mention including a sentence like that would be very un-encyclopaedic. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:33, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Are you serious? The only thing "un-encyclopaedic" (which for your information isn't even a word) here is this terribly and just plain grammatically incorrect description provided for the premise. What's the point of citing a source if you're just going to go ahead and do whatever you want anyway? And since when is the premise of a movie a subjective matter? Furthermore, who gets to decide what goes in the description? Are you trying to tell me the opinion of one or two irrelevant people who haven't even seen the movie is more important than the literal creators of the movie. What is the logic here? This is absolutely ridiculous.

KingNJB (talk) 22:53, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Please try to be constructive in your discussion. As I already explained, the official premise has been taken from the sources and re-written to remove the puffery and marketing-ness of Disney's wording so it is appropriate for Wikipedia. No on is making anything up based on a film they have not seen. As for "who gets to decide", it is just the same as "who gets to decide" the plot summary: first-in-first-served is going to get us started, and anyone who can make clear improvements (without changes for changes sake) is free to update or rewrite. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:59, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

UK Release date

The article states that the UK's release date is the 26th whereas in reality it comes out a day earlier on the 25th. Check748 (talk) 06:05, 9 March 2019 (UTC) Avenger 4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.155.106.43 (talk) 21:04, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

References

hello, I wonder if the full plot will be disclosed on the day after (presumably someone will have to see the movie and write it down) and what would be the policy in relating said plot in another language. thanks! Awambawamb (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:13, 16 March 2019 (UTC) it doesn't come out then it is released into theaters (btw i just made a comment and i'm not the person who made this)Bold text — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.159.248.64 (talk) 03:04, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Ava Russo's "secret role"?

@Rusted AutoParts: I thought I made it clear in all three of my edit summaries what I was talking about -- was it not clear to you? The quotes provided by both father and daughter are so deliberately coy that they could be referring to a behind-the-scenes "role". The ComicBook.com article does indeed speculate based on these vague quotes that she is part of the cast, and I agree they are probably right in doing so, but that is still unacceptable for a Wikipedia article per the above-linked policy. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:06, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

The speculation from ComicBook.com is irrelevant. The quote says "This is my daughter Ava, who's actually playing a secret role in Avengers: Endgame". To say that he means "playing a secret role" as a crew member behind the scenes is complete speculation, even ignoring the fact that the tense wouldn't really work since the film is basically finished and that there would be no reason to keep it secret if it was a "role" in the crew and so he would have worded it differently. Your "interpretation" here is a stretch. - adamstom97 (talk) 02:26, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@Adamstom.97: Could you please provide a diff to support your claim that I am say[ing] that he means "playing a secret role" as a crew member behind the scenes? I said (several times, including right above here) that I think he probably meant she was acting in the film. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:56, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Wow. From your own comment, at the start of this section, they could be referring to a behind-the-scenes "role". And from the edit summary of your original edit, could just as easily be interpreted as her "playing an important role" behind the scenes. This is literally your argument. Pretending that it is not makes zero sense. - adamstom97 (talk) 03:47, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@Adamstom.97: Huh? You wanna start actually reading my comments rather than picking quotes out of context? You have now been told by an admin to use the talk page, so please actually use it to discuss content rather than whatever the above comment was. (I was too, but unlike you I'm actually trying to discuss content here rather than trolling and stalling, apparently until the film comes out and it becomes a moot point.) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:45, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

First I respond to your argument and you demand that I prove you said what I was responding to, then when I did you get all up in arms because I am not sticking to the content! Make up your mind! If you want to have a constructive discussion then just do it, stop lollygagging around trying to pretend that you haven't said what you have, or that I am taking things off course when I go where you ask me to. I have pretty clearly explained why I think your argument here is ridiculous: your interpretation of the source is wild speculation, and we need to use it for what it says not what you want it to say. Can you respond to me without any silly sidetracks or self-victimisation? - adamstom97 (talk) 06:10, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Hey, how about both of you shut the fuck up?

Winston Duke

I used the source I used to avoid using YouTube but he did confirm his return on Seth Meyers. Rusted AutoParts 06:04, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Can you find the video where he does this? The one I found is only a confirmation at a big stretch. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:08, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

I wouldn’t consider it a big stretch. Yes while there isn’t a more direct line of dialogue with a better sense of confirmation, he does nod in agreement when Meyers says “you got Avengers: Endgame coming up”, and provides a lot of detail I doubt would be privy to an actor not involved in it. I feel it’s a stable citation to use. After all if I recall correctly we used a Jimmy Kimmel video where Cobie Smulders poured a can of beans on a title card to confirm her Infinity War involvement. Rusted AutoParts 06:14, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Haha, I don't remember yet. If others agree here that this is enough, then I won't argue, but we do need to use this video as the source in the article. The current source being used does not confirm his involvement. - adamstom97 (talk) 07:48, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

One option is to cite it inline not as "confirmation" of anything not directly stated therein, but as Winston Duke stated X, Y and Z in an interview with A, while saying he was not at liberty to discuss plot details, or the like. This is fairly standard editorial practice. Ultimately it's the directors' choices whether scenes featuring any one actor will be cut from the final film at the last minute (something that does happen), so even if he did say "I'm in the film!", we should only be citing it as him saying that in an interview, not as an "objective fact". It doesn't really matter whether he is "'actually" part of the cast of the film, but that he was interviewed about the film in a presumably noteworthy source. If the article becomes to bloated to include such factoids ... well, it's gonna be a lot more bloated once the film comes out anyway, at which point his appearing in the film or not will be easily verifiable in multiple sources. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:14, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Ava Russo has a role in the movie

https://comicbook.com/marvel/2019/03/16/avengers-endgame-joe-russo-daughter-ava-top-secret-role/ Someone add this in, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.167.147.99 (talk) 00:53, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

not a reliable source, do you have anything better? HAL333 02:15, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

No...sorry, lol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.167.147.99 (talk) 18:29, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Given the above, I have now removed the claim again. Two separate editors have argued for two separate reasons that the information should not be in the article attributed to that source. (I actually would have no problem with saying ComicBook.com reported that Ava Russo was supposedly playing a "secret role" in the film, but that's not what was written.) Given this background, it really shouldn't be allowed back in the article pending talk page consensus. The ANEW report is completely separate from this as neither I nor apparently anyone else involved was aware of this prior talk page discussion. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:39, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Runtime officially confirmed by Joe Russo

https://comicbook.com/marvel/2019/04/04/avengers-endgame-run-time-three-hours-russo-brothers/ It's 180 Minutes, someone add this in, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.167.147.99 (talk) 23:11, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Isn't "3 hours and 58 seconds" 181 minutes, or are run times rounded down? --77.173.90.33 (talk) 05:40, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Given that in the same breath he apparently joked about getting to that figure by speeding up the credits, I still think that source is not useful for our purposes beyond an inline attribution along the lines of On such-and-such date before the film's release, Joe Russo told ComicBook.com that the film's run time was approximately three hours. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:24, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 April 2019

Change runtime from " " to "181 minutes" 86.120.229.228 (talk) 15:02, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

No. This is already being discussed further up the page (in two of the four most recent threads). If you were not aware of that, please feel free to comment. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 15:13, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Editors, take a bow

I'm not on Wikipedia much these days, but I'm writing about this movie so I've stopped in to check some footnoted sources and did a little bit citation housecleaning and archive-adding as long as I'm here. Lord knows everything else was already top-notch. Once again, I believe the editors of WikiProject Comics are some of the best movie-page editors in all of Wikiepdia.--Tenebrae (talk) 22:50, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

The name of Clint Barton’s new Alter Ego has been revealed/confirmed, and yes...it’s Ronin.

https://comicbook.com/marvel/2019/04/07/avengers-endgame-clint-barton-is-officially-ronin-jeremy-renner/ Someone PLEASE add this into the Cast section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.167.147.99 (talk) 02:56, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks to Voicebox64 for putting that in, but could you also please remove the text that says the suit is “visually similar to that of Ronin from the comics.” Since, you know, the name of Clint Barton’s new alter ego HAS been confirmed to be named “Ronin.” Making that text completely unnecessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.167.147.99 (talk) 16:57, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Runtime

The runtime of 180 minutes, 58 seconds has been confirmed by the Russos on 4/2/19. Why isn't it on this page? 4/9/19

165.166.60.90 (talk) 17:35, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

As previously stated above, the article waits on an “official” film classification source such as the BBFC to list it before posting. TropicAces (talk) 18:52, 9 April 2019 (UTC)tropicAces

Including Box office projections

In lieu of starting an edit war I’ll take my thoughts to here: I think listing box office projections on a page is an important/interesting aspect of any film article, but especially one like Endgame that is going to set records. To not include its $200-250 million projections (and how some sources see it overperfoming and setting the all-time record) is disingenuous in my eyes. It’s more than “fluff filler”, and also the current section title “Pre-sale earnings” makes no sense and has no context, since it hasn’t “earned” anything and no site has released the dollar amount of tickets sold. Thoughts? Cheers! TropicAces (talk) 14:50, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Agreed, although maybe we should just include the industry tracking numbers and not Box Office Pro's "unofficial" tracking. Soronast (talk) 17:58, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

I second that, box office predictions should always be included and more importantly, it is standard practice on Wikipedia to do so. This movie having box office predictions much higher than usual and higher than most others is a also a relevant detail that should be mentioned.

In my opinion, pre-sales earnings should be included but only IF there is a reliable source that has mentioned the amount earned or cumulative ticket sales.

KingNJB (talk) 01:21, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

I agree that the projections are noteworthy at the moment, and some form of them will likely remain noteworthy in the future. - adamstom97 (talk) 08:17, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 March 2019

Similar to Tessa Thompson, Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury) also got a character poster. All the actors who got posters are listed here expect for him.Grizzly Goblin (talk) 01:35, 27 March 2019 (UTC) http://collider.com/avengers-endgame-character-posters/ Grizzly Goblin (talk) 01:35, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

can you say exactly what changes you want to see? Faromics (talk) 01:38, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

The poster of Nick Fury pretty much confirms he’s in the movie too and Samuel L. Jackson isn’t listed here. I would like for you guys to add his name to the cast. Grizzly Goblin (talk) 02:06, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Is it really? The page only says he's dead.. Faromics (talk) 15:10, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

But all the dead characters got posters are listed here to appear in the movie. Plus the posters confirmed that Valkyrie is going to be in the movie, so it’s he same thing too with Samuel L. Jackson. Grizzly Goblin (talk) 16:52, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

there is proof that all who disintegrated in Avengers infinity war will come back because there is a spiderman far from home movie coming out with nick fury and spiderman (of course) which they were both two who had disintegrated and there has been things about spiderman in the timeline takes place after endgame,unlike Captain MArvel took place in the 1990's timeline. And if you did not know the soul stone may be one that could bring all those we had fallen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.159.248.64 (talk) 02:56, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Procedural Close- Open for over 2 week and  Not done with evidence it's contested RhinosF1^(chat)_{(status)(contribs)} 15:04, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 March 2019

Add 182 minutes to time JayEdits (talk) 22:48, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@JayEdits: Source? The film hasn't seen wide release anywhere in the world yet, and the runtime of the first Avengers film actually changed by close to a minute after it was released in Europe. And without being able to see the film itself we can't even be certain if that includes or excludes the end credits (I know it almost certainly includes them, but most people in casual conversation don't, except in cases like Meet the Spartans). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:49, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps the "3 HR 2 MIN" at AMC Theatres is a reliable source? --77.173.90.33 (talk) 18:18, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

See also #Runtime officially confirmed by Joe Russo. --77.173.90.33 (talk) 05:41, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. RhinosF1^(chat)_{(status)(contribs)} 15:05, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 April 2019

Can I please add to the release dates the UK release date which is 25 April 2019? Oinkplop (talk) 20:15, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done Per WP:FILMRELEASE: "Release dates should therefore be restricted to the film's earliest release, whether it was at a film festival, a world premiere, or a public release, and the release date(s) in the country or countries that produced the film."--TriiipleThreat (talk) 20:33, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Taika Waititi as Korg

Should we add Taika Waititi and Korg to the cast list since his return has been confirmed through the leaked footage? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.96.230.194 (talk) 12:26, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Incorrect Terms

"Following the events of Avengers: Infinity War, half of all life in the universe has been killed in an event dubbed 'The Decimation'." Decimate means to take one from every ten. This sentence contradicts itself. Half is not one tenth. 205.142.232.18 (talk) 16:53, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

No it doesn't. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:20, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

@Adamstom.97: (Noticed this now because the IP came back and amended their post today.) Technically, the IP is right; "severely damage" or "remove a significant portion of" is kind of WP:SLANG-y in the opinions of a lot of English speakers familiar with the traditional meanings of these words. I'm actually not sure whether I agree with the IP that it is unacceptable to use the word in its colloquial sense in a Wikipedia article, but your above reply indicates either (a) an ignorance of the traditional meaning of the word or (b) a dismissive attitude toward those who would prefer that such words only be used according to such standards. Please refrain from making such comments in the future. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:21, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Don't tell me what I can and cannot say Hijiri. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:40, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

WP:CIVIL applies to everyone, even you. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:45, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

...but not you? - adamstom97 (talk) 10:09, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

What about my above comments were uncivil? I should remind you that such accusations made without evidence are NPA violations. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:17, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

@205.142.232.18: Merriam-Webster wrote an entire article about it. The first problem is that even if decimate did refer to the practice of killing one of every ten soldiers in Roman times, it did so in the service of Latin, not English.... Another problem with insisting that decimate should have but a single meaning is that very few words in English retain but a single meaning.—TriiipleThreat (talk) 06:41, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

To expand on Triiiple's reply, a quick Google search shows that not only does this word have multiple meanings (and choosing only one to be correct is just ridiculous) but also that we don't even know whether the "original meaning" is correct. This is essentially a common and silly misconception. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:40, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Can you find one example of any definition that doesn't mean one tenth in some way? I never meant to insinuate that killing or punishment was necessary. Having a prefix of deci is pretty concrete though.

205.142.232.18 (talk) 16:15, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Simply Googling "define decimate" provides "kill, destroy, or remove a large proportion of", with the one tenth definition simply considered historical. I think that is being pulled from Oxford Dictionaries. - adamstom97 (talk) 08:21, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

I guess I always trusted Webster more... Mirriam-Webster.

205.142.232.18 (talk) 16:04, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

That's fine, because if you read that definition that you trust more you will see that it gives the non-ten definition as a valid definition of the word, explains that it is the common meaning these days, and uses it for its "in a Sentence" section. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:17, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

So it either means remove 1/10 or remove all except 1/10... hmmm. Maybe we should convene bi-weekly to settle this.

205.142.232.18 (talk) 21:02, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @TriiipleThreat: If you actually read the whole article, you'll see that it's making a subtle point about how words develop multiple meanings over time. It says that the word quickly developed multiple meanings, but the first of these secondary meanings is actually specifically related to "one tenth", not "kill". It is a criticism of prescriptive grammarians in general, and is not saying that the use of "decimate" to mean "severely cripple" or "kill a large portion of" is acceptable in formal writing.

Also, the OED blog is similarly irrelevant, since it is arguing that the "kill one tenth" meaning does not take precedence over all other meanings, not that it does not take precedence in formal writing over the "kill a lot" meaning.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:45, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

It's not subtle, the whole point of both articles is that this word means more than one thing either due to changes over time or potentially different conceptions of the same word around the same time. Neither of them suggest that the standard wording as used here is informal. - adamstom97 (talk) 10:09, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

I don't know what you studied in university, but I took two semesters of linguistics where I learned that there is nothing "wrong" about using words in their more modern senses, and one semester of academic writing where the same professor told me that there are certain contexts in which using words in certain senses is unacceptable. It could also be pointed out that the "stewards" of this article, including both Adam and TT, are also largely responsible for the content of our Spider-Man: Homecoming article, which included the WP:SLANG phrase "base off (of)", so it's kinda ... weird to be lectured on formal English writing style by these same editors.

Anyway, please stop "fighting" me on this: I told you at the top of this thread that I was not interested in arguing that we shouldn't be using the modernest sense of the word in articles.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:17, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

There has to be a stop to words losing meaning over time. For instance electrocution still involves death, but you wouldn't know it if you read the news... apparently people survive it.

205.142.232.18 (talk) 17:35, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

@205.142.232.18: There has to be a stop to words losing meaning over time. You can't fight how language works. The only problem here is that Wikipedia is supposed to be written in formal language, which changes more gradually than slang. Most experienced Wikipedians would say that our articles should not include phrasing like Some elements from Vulture's first suit were shared with Imageworks, but the remainder was created by them based off a maquete. The colloquial meaning of "decimate" is a bit more of a grey area. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:20, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Attacking my intelligence isn't going to get you anywhere Hijiri, and you turned this thread into what it is so don't complain when you get exactly what you want. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:13, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Take that bogus accusation back, and apologize. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:52, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

• FWIW Apparently "decimate" is a word used by primary (advertising) sources that at least one reliable secondary source doesn't like. Whether it's "correct" or not, I don't think we should be using it under these circumstances. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:52, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

quotes

When we quote someone, we use "their text", and put it in the article with a ref.

When we MISQUOTE someone, we use "their text", but put "their now different text" in the article with the ref.

I found some quotes that were WP:OR, in other words someone took the text, added stuff and put "" round it.

I realise this is a perhaps patronising way of describing the problem, but as quoting something is SOOOO easy, (select, copy, paste), I figured maybe we need some reeducation. Chaosdruid (talk) 12:34, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Just wondering, on which quotes were people doing this? HAL333 23:54, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Endgame 4 minute leaked footage

So no one's gonna talk about it? Should we add this to the page? Tray Framework (talk) 20:59, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Leaked footage??? Could you post the link please. It's probably just a misdirect though. Morris(ME)Junior (talk) 16:48, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 April 2019

It is the sequel to 2012's The Avengers, 2015's Avengers: Age of Ultron and 2018's Avengers: Infinity War, the 22nd film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) and the last film of the Infinity Saga. RevBladeZ (talk) 16:33, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: Most of this information is already stated in the opening paragraph (as of now); the last part could use a source before being blindly added. Geolodus (talk) 18:28, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 April 2019

NOT ACCURATE 2620:160:E308:0:0:0:1:BFD5 (talk) 18:50, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done No request was made. GMG^talk 18:51, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Credits

While I updated the cast credits to reflect unannounced actors who appear, after having seen the film, I don't have their exact cast order from onscreen. Anyone who can get that, please reorder names. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:44, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 April 2019

Please delete plot from wikipedia, as it is releasing worldwide on 26th April, today is 25th April only. It will cause spoilers, please delete. 203.196.248.70 (talk) 07:34, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Not done. See WP:SPOILER as to why. Mclarenfan17 (talk) 07:43, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) We have guidelines for most of the things we do on WP, and this includes how to deal with spoilers. It's at Wikipedia:Spoiler if you want to read it. Depending on where in the world you are, the film was released yesterday in Asian markets, today in Europe (I was at the midnight showing nearly 9 hours ago) and will be in the American markets tomorrow. It's playing in two thirds of the world already. If you don't want the film's plot spoiled, just avoid looking at the page until you've been to the cinema. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 07:46, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

No possible Avengers premiere in Sri Lanka

There might not be an evidence of Avengers release in Sri Lanka and even if it does have a theatrical release people won't probably visit the theatres following the 2019 Sri Lanka Easter bombings and on 24 April 2019 a minor explosion was reported near Savoy Cinema, Colombo, which is a big theatre complex in Colombo and Endgame is one of the big releases which were revealed to have their releases here. Abishe (talk) 09:24, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

http://www.hirunews.lk/215070/security-forces-explode-the-seat-of-a-motorcycle-found-near-the-savoy-cinema

https://www.thehansindia.com/news/international/explosion-reported-at-savoy-cinema-in-colombo-523648

Emma Fuhrmann as Cassie Lang

Can someone please add Emma Fuhrmann as Cassie Lang to the cast list? I believe she is the only major appearance left not currently listed on the article. Thanks again!

B91302 (talk) 13:17, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

• Do you have a reliable source that can be used to support it? Thanks - SchroCat (talk) 14:32, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

I have seen the movie and can confirm. I will link some articles also describing her appearance:

https://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2019/04/all-the-best-easter-eggs-and-references-we-spotted-in-avengers-endgame/

https://www.radiotimes.com/news/film/2019-04-25/avengers-endgame-ending-deaths-explained-future-of-marvel-movies-characters/ (confirms Cassie is seen as a teen)

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/avengers/avengers_endgame/avengers-endgame-spoilers-who-lives-who-dies-heres-how-things-end-for-the-movies-leads-a167988 (again confirming her on-screen presence)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4154796/fullcredits (I know IMDb isn't the most reliable, but it has been updated to show the cast list as they appear in the credits of the film)

Thank you!

B91302 (talk) 14:52, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Wrong review

The review by The New Yorker is for Avengers: Infinity War, not this movie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.6.196.245 (talk) 16:54, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing, I removed it.--Mazewaxie 17:13, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Real or fake plot

Why is the plot here, is it official or unofficial? Ken choo (talk) 12:20, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

This is the actual plot, as the film has already been released in many countries. - adamstom97 (talk) 12:34, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

I’ve seen the movie and can verify the plot details. Mr Ernie (talk) 17:22, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

The movie has been released in Europe, Australia, China and many other countries. I too have watched the movie. The plot is true and what do you mean by official and unofficial plot. Writing Rumours isn't a part of Wikipedia. CaptainGKPrime (talk) 12:34, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I'm afraid it was spoilers edited by sockpuppets Ken choo (talk) 13:15, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Draft:List of box office records set by Avengers: Endgame

The film is projected to set a lot of box office records. I made a draft which can be turned into a proper article if and when it is deemed appropriate to do so. TompaDompa (talk) 18:34, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

One of the most expensive films ever made

Since the budget has been officially revealed as somewhere between 350-400 million USD, this piece of information should be included in the opening text. Something like this "With a reported budget of 350-400 million USD, it is one of the most expensive films ever made."Jonipoon (talk) 19:05, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Where is the film seeing wide release first?

Isn't it standard practice to include that in the infobox, even if it's an American film and the US isn't the country it's getting released in first? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:38, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Cast List

Again, the cast list is not accurate as several of the actors/characters listed DO NOT appear in the film and thus need to be removed from the list. Those characters are:

Paul Bettany as Vision, Cate Blanchett as Hela, Glenn Close as Irani Rael, Chiwetel Ejiofor as Karl Mordo, and Anthony Hopkins as Odin

Please make these changes if you are able. Thanks!

The names mentioned above have been removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.108.208.172 (talk) 02:47, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

• I've removed these. None of the characters appear and don't appear on the official cast lists - SchroCat (talk) 07:52, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Sean Gunn is listed twice, as on-set Rocket and as motion capture for Rocket. Why not mention them both under the description of Rocket? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.108.208.172 (talk) 01:38, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 April 2019

Remove the plot for now, the movie still has not been released RemoteControl13 (talk) 00:35, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Not done: the film might not have been released in your country, but it has been released in some territories for a few days now (Australia got a release on 24 April), so the synopsis is a valid addition. Mclarenfan17 (talk) 00:56, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Please read WP:SPOILER, this should address your concerns and explain why removal of the spoilers is absolutely unacceptable. Esuka (talk) 02:56, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 April 2019

"Co-director Joe Russo has an uncredited cameo appearance as a man grieving the sudden loss of a loved one." - text from Avengers: Endgame#Cast

Like previous MCU films, Joe Russo was credited under the name 'Gozie Agbo'. Additionally, Ava Russo, Joe's daughter, portrays 'Lila Barton' and Emma Fuhrmann portrays a teenage 'Cassie Lang'. DantesWeb (talk) 18:28, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

 Already done--BoothSift 05:37, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 April 2019

Please approve my request. I am archiving reference links. NMW03 (talk) 17:38, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

•  Not done That is simply not how this works--BoothSift 05:38, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Small Grammatical Error

I noticed a small grammatical error in paragraph five of the Plot section. The sentence is “Thanos overpowers all of them, then summons the his armed forces to lay siege to Earth.” I’m pretty sure that the “the” in “the his armed forces” should be removed. Let me know if I’m wrong about this though, I have not edited in quite a while. Hungryce (talk) 06:41, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Hungryce, I think it's removed already. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 06:45, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I've taken care of that. You can thank me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.108.208.172 (talk) 06:48, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Ravager army during the final battle

Having seen for myself, I just wanna note that during the final battle, besides the armies of Asgard, Wakanda and the sorcerers, an army of Ravagers is also present, best seen emerging from Contraxia next to Wong and Hope during the portal scene (not to mention the fact that Sean Gunn is still credited as Kraglin). So just proposing that they be added alongside Asgard and Wakanda in the plot section, if that's not too much trouble. 60.224.136.65 (talk) 12:06, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

I added it.--Mazewaxie 12:46, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

I did not see Kraglin in the film. Has anyone actually seen him? If not, why is he credited as Kraglin? — Preceding unsigned comment added by B91302 (talk • contribs) 13:12, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Grammatical Construction Error

When discussing the film's performance in the Chinese box office, it says that its performance will be benefited by "strong mouth." Shouldn't that be "word of mouth"? This could be a phrasing that I'm just not familiar with, but it feels nonstandard. 104.219.186.59 (talk) 13:33, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting this, I fixed it.--Mazewaxie 13:41, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Improving readability of the cast list

Hi!

I was just wondering whether we could format the entire cast lists to dot points instead of having the characters that survived Avengers: Infinity War as dot points, and the other characters including those returning who were dusted by Thanos and other supporting characters as paragraphs. I believe that it is hard to read the cast members like this and we should put them all as dot points but dividing them into their respective sub-roles as smaller divider sections.

RemixCMDR (talk)[User:RemixCMDR] —Preceding undated comment added 13:51, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Red Skull's name

Hello. I was wondering about something: is it necessary to mention Red Skull's real name, Johann Schmidt, in the plot summary and cast section? Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:44, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

With the MCU, I'd think so. Same reason the Avengers are referred to by their names (Tony, Bruce, Steve, etc.) instead of their superhero identities in the plot, and a dual listing in the cast section. Just makes the characters "more human", in a sense. Booyahhayoob (talk) 04:04, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

I dont think so. We have names like Tony Stark because we see him without his ironMan suit, but we never see Red Skull as a German with skin. Red Skull is no longer Johann Schmidt. His name has no relevancy to this movie and should not be included.HAL333 01:41, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Fair. Tbh I haven't actually seen any of the movies, so I thought he did lul - Booyahhayoob (talk) 14:44, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Full cast listing per end credits

Thought this might be a useful resource to organize ordering of cast and their actual credited names. I took photos of the scroll to make sure it's 100% accurate.

Extended content

Robert Downey Jr. as Tony Stark / Iron Man Chris Evans as Steve Rogers / Captain America Mark Ruffalo as Bruce Banner / Hulk Chris Hemsworth as Thor Scarlett Johansson as Natasha Romanoff / Black Widow Jeremy Renner as Clint Barton / Hawkeye Don Cheadle as James Rhodes / War Machine Paul Rudd as Scott Lang / Ant-Man Benedict Cumberbatch as Doctor Strange Chadwick Boseman as T'Challa / Black Panther Brie Larson as Carol Danvers / Captain Marvel Tom Holland as Peter Parker / Spider-Man Karen Gillan as Nebula Zoe Saldana as Gamora Evangeline Lilly as Hope Van Dyne / Wasp Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie Rene Russo as Frigga Elizabeth Olsen as Wanda Maximoff / Scarlet Witch Anthony Mackie as Sam Wilson / Falcon Sebastian Stan as Bucky Barnes / Winter Soldier Tom Hiddleston as Loki Danai Gurira as Okoye Benedict Wong as Wong Pom Klementieff as Mantis Dave Bautista as Drax Letitia Wright as Shuri John Slattery as Howard Stark Tilda Swinton as The Ancient One Jon Favreau as Happy Hogan Hayley Atwell as Peggy Carter Natalie Portman as Jane Foster Marisa Tomei as Aunt May Taika Waititi as Korg Angela Bassett as Ramonda Michael Douglas as Hank Pym Michelle Pfeiffer as Janet Van Dyne William Hurt as Secretary of State Thaddeus Ross Cobie Smulders as Maria Hill Sean Gunn as On-Set Rocket / Kraglin Winston Duke as M'Baku Linda Cardellini as Laura Barton Maximiliano Hernández as Agent Sitwell Frank Grillo as Brock Rumlow Hiroyuki Sanada as Akihiko Tom Vaughan-Lawlor as Ebony Maw James D'Arcy as Jarvis Jacob Batalon as Ned Vin Diesel as Groot Bradley Cooper as Rocket Gwyneth Paltrow as Pepper Potts Robert Redford as Alexander Pierce Josh Brolin as Thanos Chris Pratt as Peter Quill / Star-Lord Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury Lexi Rabe as Morgan Stark Ross Marquand as Red Skull (Stonekeeper) Gozie Agbo as Grieving Man (Note: This is the name used by Joe Russo for acting credits, meaning he is not uncredited) Emma Fuhrmann as Cassie Lang Michael Shaw as Corvus Glave Terry Notary as On-Set Groot / Cull Obsidian Kerry Condon as Voice of Friday Ben Sakamoto as Cooper Barton Ava Russo as Lila Barton Cade Woodward as Nathaniel Barton Stan Lee as Driver Yvette Nicole Brown as S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent Callan Mulvey as Jack Rollins Lia Russo as Lia Julian Russo as Julian Taylor Patterson as Taylor Agostino Rosalina as Augie Ken Jeong as Security Guard Ty Simpkins as Harley Keener Jackson Dunn as Scott Lang (12 Y.O.) Lee Moore as Scott Lang (93 Y.O.) Bazlo LeClair and Loen LeClair as Scott Lang (Baby) Matthew Berry as S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent Joy McAvoy as Asgardian Maiden John Michael Morris as Young Hank Pym Michael Cook as Male S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent Brent McGee as Camp Lehigh Guard Brian Schaeffer as Military Police James Wedel as Drill Sergeant Anthony Breed as Young Stan Lee Double Erica Ridley as Car Girl Monique Ganderton as On-Set Proxima Midnight Jim Starlin as Support Group Man #1 Jimmy Ray Pickens as Support Group Man #2 Hye Jin Jang as Japanese Girl Russell Bobbitt as Diner Owner James Lin as Diner Cook Jack Champion as Kid on Bike Sam Hargrave as New Asgard Truck Driver Patrick Gorman as Old Steve Rogers Double Aaron Lazar as Doctor Strange Double

That's all, just figured I'd place this here for anyone who wants to use it. Sock (tock talk) 04:42, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Does Proxima Midnight actually appear? If yes, does Carrie Coon voice her? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.108.208.172 (talk) 06:15, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

She definitely does appear numerous times during the final battle, I don't remember her having any lines though. 60.224.136.65 (talk) 13:34, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

She is in the film and Monique Ganderton is credited as the on-set Proxima again, but she doesn't speak and Carrie Coon is not credited. Sock (tock talk) 17:20, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

This input may be very valuable based on the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Film actors and sources: or, here we go again. Lots of the appearances for the cameos and small appearances have been added to the character articles without citations. 8.37.179.254 (talk) 18:52, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

When people disappear—realistic consequences happen.

I’ll go back and forth all year, I don’t care. Outside of Wakanda in Infinity War, nobody in the entire world had a fucking idea who Thanos was and why he randomly killed people. Therefore a census had to be done. That’s the status of the first half of the movie before the 5 year time jump. So while it is “irrelevant” or “too detailed” for you, Natasha makes note of it for a reason. Countries lost presidents, kings, queens, Congresspeople, Parliaments, bankers, post office workers, accountants, doctors, nurses, attorneys, etc. That’s what was going on on Earth. That sentence sums it up. Our job is to instruct the reader NOT assume they know things. Trillfendi (talk) 00:48, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 April 2019

Please provide the Wikipedia page links to Parker(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Parker), Pepper(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper_Potts) and Peggy Carter(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peggy_Carter) mentioned in last paragraphs of plot section Amkgp (talk) 18:40, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

•  Not done That is not needed since they have been linked before. --BoothSift 00:54, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Don't Spoil Endgame

Hi Admin,

From one Marvel Fan to another.Please remove the plot from this page as this is spoiling the endgame.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thor008 (talk • contribs) 19:23, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Absolutely not. Its your personal responsibility, as well as other fan's responsbility, to avoid it. Faromics (talk) 18:28, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

The plot should not summarized just yet. We should show a little respect and not post it now. And there are no real solid sources to cite. You should be aware of We Do Not Post Gossip on Wikipedia. Just chill and wait a few days until we can truly verify this plot. Please be respectful. This does not put a smile on my face. Thanks HAL333 21:06, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

We don't need to cite sources for the plot: the film acts as the primary source for it. As the film has already been released in some territories, it's understandable that people in those territories have written it. If you don't know what happens, just don't read the big bit labelled "Plot"; see Wikipedia:Spoiler. - SchroCat (talk) 21:41, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

My bad, you're right HAL333 22:58, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

There is a source which even spoke about an unofficial plot analysis added in Wikipedia. Abishe (talk) 09:12, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

https://heavy.com/entertainment/2019/04/avengers-endgame-unofficial-wikipedia-plot-synopsis/

The earliest plot synopses often change very quickly and incorrect details can get added, but in this case most of it was hammered out on the talk page in advance (and with fewer characters, it was easier to write than the Infinity War synopsis). The film does not need to be released in all territories before a valid synopsis can be written. Mclarenfan17 (talk) 09:16, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Well wikipedia seems to be primary source for information for anything (speacially a film like Endgame).The plot that you refered here comes at the very first point of contents so even someone comes here just for looking release date, critic review or any other film related info.The plot(on the top of contents) immediately revels up. Yes as a Fan i understand my responsibility thats why i asked you guys to remove plot for upto few days.You may or may not aware of Russo brothers constant appeal to fans to not spoil Endgame even after if u saw film don't spoil it for others.

https://twitter.com/Russo_Brothers/status/1118219449570455552 As the film just premiered it not even released someone write here the whole plot and You can't say other to avoid or its here beacuse its released in some terriotory.That are very absurd excuses. Anyway as a fan its my humle request to all Marvel fans.Please don't spoil the movie.Its the result of someone' hardwork of years. Dont spoil the Hardwork. Dont spoil the efforts. Dont spoil the Endgame.

At last its upto you .I would summarise all this in one sentence Remove spoiler plot and DontSpoilTheEndgame. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thor008 (talk • contribs) 19:38, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

I refer you (as did SchroCat) to Wikipedia:Spoiler. Gistech (talk) 18:45, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

"I refer you (as did SchroCat) to Wikipedia:Spoiler" does that seriously gives someone rights to post anything on wikipedia before its public appearance.

"Please dont sopil the movie.Its the result of someone'hardwork of years. Dont spoil the Hardwork. Dont spoil the efforts. Dont spoil the Endgame."

We're not spoiling it. If somebody chooses to read the article after the film is released, but before they see it, that's their choice. It is entirely reasonable to expect that the article will have those details once the film is released and given that this happens for every film, they cannot say that they were not forewarned. Nobody is making them read the article.

":We're not spoiling it..Nobody is making them read the article.".. Bro in the same way no pirated film sites asked users to watch the movie on their site but aren't they are responsible for it.From your point of view all those sites are legal isn't it ??.Yes !, its user's responsibility to avoid it as much as it yours to not(and not let others also to) post such spoiler here.Any information abut the film in the form of visuals or text is a potential spoiler.

"It is entirely reasonable to expect that the article will have those details once the film is released" but dude the plot has been posted here two days before the film's release.How will you justify that??

And the rest of people justify spoiler plot with other spoil things.Seriously ? Just beacuse most of people know spoiler its not right to put it for everyone. I totally understand guys the plot of the film should be in film's wikipedia page what i dont understand why and for what reason in the unierse it should be added before the film's release.Can't it be just delayed for few days thats all Russo brothers asked fans to not spoil it for others even after the release.Is that too much they asked us to do.Your wiki page is not going anywhere, the same plot can also be added after few days of the film's release. I have no hard feelings for anyone here but it is truly dissappointed to see that from this huge fan base of marvel some of us just choose to spoil the things and more disappointed to see others justifying their action with unreasonable answers.Well believe it or not but here's the thing wiki spoiled the plot much before the film's actual release and there's no justification you guys can put for that(unless you are trying to justify yourself for that).Good luck guys try not to spoil future Marvel Films.

Also, there are no closely-guarded secrets in the film. Nothing on the scale of Darth Vader being Luke Skywalker's father, Bruce Willis being dead the entire time, Brad Pitt and Edward Norton being the same person or Snape killing Dumbledore. There's really nothing to spoil here. Mclarenfan17 (talk) 20:58, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

I beg to disagree. Certainly, character deaths are always reasonably big spoilers, and one character's entire existence is a spoiler. (And with all due respect, it's a bit gratuitous to reveal four film spoilers as examples, even though it's true that most people--including yours truly--knows them already. The Star Wars one would be sufficient.)Zeck (talk) 10:07, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Where is Quicksilver he suppose to reborn by the Infinite stones? Oon835 (talk) 11:15, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

He was killed by Ultron during AOU, not by Thanos. Only the people killed by Thanos in IW were brought back. Mclarenfan17 (talk) 11:46, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Refer to Past!Thanos as 2014 Thanos

The Thanos that appears during the second and third act of the movie is not the same Thanos that appeared in Infinity War to wipe out half the universe. It's an alternative version of Thanos, and we can tell due to his different personality. Please refer to Past!Thanos as 2014 Thanos at least. 2604:2000:1107:8249:ECE6:9C8C:5010:3B4F (talk) 22:24, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

At that point we have already established that he has come from 2014 and the present-day Thaos is long dead, so there is no need to disambiguate there. The reason we have to for Nebula is because the two versions are interacting and we need to be able to tell them apart. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:17, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Katherine Langford

I guess she was cast but didn't make the cut, so i would put she wasn't in the final cut Jstar367 (talk) 12:58, 28 April 2019 (UTC)