Talk:BBC Two/Archive 1

Discussion
Do we really need "TWO" capitalised? The way the Beeb puts it on screen is surely just a logo. We don't have to refer to WOOLWORTHS just because the signs are all in capitals. Personally I'd prefer BBC2 because that's what I'd naturally write. Bagpuss 18:51 Apr 24, 2003 (UTC)


 * The first four channels idents all use upper case now. Look at the bottom left corner of http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/ etc.. and note that BBC News 24 doesn't. also note where it says "BBC ONE's new look"


 * No they don't. BBC Four has no capitals on its website (though its logo is in capitals). Move this to BBC Two, I say!

Well, okay. Bagpuss

There isn't any real way on doing it. I have seen variations in numerous places. If you look on Digital TV when BBC3 or BBC4 go off the air, only BBC3 is in all caps. -fonzy

Having to write "BBC TWO" just because that's the current typographical fad at the station is just plain daft. Plenty of BBC sources write "BBC2", just like most people. Are we now going to have to change all references in Wikipedia to a certain British newspaper to TheGuardian because that's what its masthead looks like? -- Picapica 20:22, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * I agree 100%. The Radio Times, published by the BBC, still happily refers to BBC1 and BBC2. It's not a change of name, just of marketing style. -- Necrothesp 19:19, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * See Talk:BBC ONE. We now have official confirmation that they should be written with normal capitalisation (that is, BBC Two)

A slight case of POV
The POV in On screen identity needs to be toned down a bit. Jooler 18:12, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Analogue switchoff
To clarify, BBC Two Analogue is not being switched off on 31 December 2012 - that's when the government hopes the entire process will be completed. BBC Two (and the other analogue stations) will be switched off region by region between now and then, with BBC Two the first to go in each region. -Bonalaw 09:00, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Expanding the article
I've added as much as I have time for about changes in its role, community and educational programming and important additions to the list of programmes, but the article is still very light on a large chunk of the channel's history, with a lot of emphasis on its immediate beginnings and most recent phase, with rather a large hole in between. There needs to be more towards the beginning of the article, possibly in a separate section or enlarging the "Present and Past Role" section, about the day-to-day feel and tone of the channel in the 1960s and 1970s and its social impact at the time, which was considerably greater than now, (also as the first "non-mainstream" national channel  )  and its later influence on Channel 4.

James Q.

Merger
There really isn't much to the BBC Two Northern Ireland article, all of it could be easily added to the this article. Any thoughts?   Keithology   Talk!   19:26, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I had to correct the merge tag, so the original comments I placed at Talk:BBC Two Northern Ireland are copied below:


 * You haven't seen the BBC Two Scotland article then!


 * I think this article could be merged into the main BBC Two article, there isn't much here that can stand out and justify having its own article, although I am going to have to change the merge tag on the main BBC Two article, it looks like the content of BBC Two should be merged into this (note: originally the BBC Two Northern Ireland) article!


 * The BBC 2W and BBC Two NI (slightly different to BBC Two Northern Ireland) show different programming at times to the main BBC Two network, these should keep having their own articles. --tgheretford (talk) 22:21, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * No objections so I have created the relevant redirects, there wasn't much to add here.   Keithology   Talk!   14:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Fair use image - New BBC Two idents.jpg
With the problems surrounding the large number of fair use images within ident articles, as per Articles for deletion/ITV Idents and Presentation, would this image within this and the BBC television idents article:


 * Image:New bbc two idents.jpg

constitute fair use and/or meet fair use policy, when one logo as an example, with the BBC Two box could be ample to illustrate the text? I suspect it doesn't meet fair use, but I want to see consensus. --tgheretford (talk) 21:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I thought the same when I saw it. The "box" logo and perhaps just one of the idents are all that is needed for this article; there is already a link to TV Ark at the bottom of the article so there is no need to fill this page with idents past and present. WindsorFan 10:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I was intending to change the main logo when the channel changes on Sunday. The images are from the BBC press office.  ••Briantist••  talk  10:16, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm presuming that the BBC Mediabank will have new images on soon, and I have written permission from BBC Mediabank to use their images on Wikipedia.  ••Briantist••  talk  10:39, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

BBC TWO
The font on the main page logo (Top right) is incorrect, needs to be changed. The colour is correct! --Screen42 12:05, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it joust looks like an edit of the old logo (it still uses Gill Sans). On 28th February 2007, BBC Two are releasing their logo so people can mock it. Don't know where the link is though... Bilky asko 16:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Franz Ferdinand
Surely the reference to 'BBC 2' here refers to BBC Radio 2? That's where Wogan's show is. Wogan has never had a show on the TV station BBC 2 172.141.222.104 22:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

1 October 2008 Changes
It appears BBC Two has had a change of heart and has reverted back to using the teal box logo. I have therefore removed information regarding the 1 October changes.TopGearDog 10:37, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

"BBC Two in popular culture"
I've removed this section, as it's all uncited, and ultimately just trivia. If it's to be added back, it really ought to be in prose and be judiciously pruned. Bob talk 17:11, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Goldie Lookin' Chain's "Guns Don't Kill People" has a line stating:
 * "Guns don't kill people, rappers do
 * I seen it on a documentary on BBC Two"


 * The Streets refers to BBC Two in "The Irony of It All", along with Channel 4 and MTV.
 * BBC Two is also mentioned in lyrics to the ending credits theme of Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery, titled "BBC".
 * Franz Ferdinand has a line in the song "The Dark of the Matinée" which goes:
 * "So I'm on BBC Two now, telling Terry Wogan how I made it and
 * What I made is unclear now, but his deference is and his laughter is"


 * Monty Python poked fun at BBC2 during Python Night on BBC2 (1999), a reunion of the surviving Python members, which was broadcast on BBC2. The BBC2 station identification symbol is shown several times, while unseen Python voices gradually increase complaints that they're "not on BBC1." Thereafter, a pair of hands alters the BBC2 symbol to be the BBC1 symbol. The Pythoners go so far such that, when the station announcer says, "This is BBC2," a shrill Python-voice is heard to utter stridently "BBC1!"Orangecow.org: Python Night
 * In the Fawlty Towers episode "The Hotel Inspectors", Mr Hutchinson (Bernard Cribbins) is talking to Basil Fawlty (John Cleese) about reserving the BBC Two channel for a programme he wants to watch later in the evening.

BBC Two strongly implies that Horizon has been canceled
BBC implies that Horizon has been canceled. In large letters at the top of the Horzion webpage, its website states: "Just to let you know, we're no longer updating this page"  When you click "More Information here" you get this info:


 * We aim to make sure that all of the pages we publish on bbc.co.uk are as accurate, reliable and as useful as possible. Where a particular radio, tv series or other BBC event has ended we generally leave the related web page online, just in case visitors may find it helpful or interesting in future. However, in order to avoid confusion we add a banner notice to the page to make it clear that we're no longer keeping these pages up to date....

On the other hand, their website does provide a link to a list upcoming episodes. Are these repeats of older shows, or are they the last new Horizon episodes that will be made?
 * Upcoming BBC Horizons episodes


 * Official BBC Horizons website

Or (hopefully) will the show continue in some sort? Can anyone sort this out? Thanks. Please discuss here: Talk:Horizon_(BBC_TV_series). RK (talk) 18:02, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * (Posting this here as well for anyone who doesn't click through to the Horizon talk page). Unless you have information from inside sources at the BBC, Horizon has not been cancelled (although from what I've read there has been quite a lot of dissatisfaction from some viewers in terms of recent programmes 'dumbing down'). I agree that the mothballing banner at the top of the website should be clearer (and it might be a good idea for you to send an email to the BBC saying that) but I'm guessing all that's happened is that they're planning to relaunch the website when the series returns and they've put the banner up too early. Please remember that Horizon is the BBC's flagship science strand and they would not announce that they are cancelling it simply by putting a banner on the website. -Paul1337 (talk) 19:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * FYI, most programme-specific websites were mothballed because the BBC overspent significantly on the website in the 2007/08 financial year. The only subsites still going are the BBC Comedy portal (with generic webpages for comedy series) and the Doctor Who one. Bradley0110 (talk) 16:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

BBC Four on Two
Are they still using this branding? I haven't seen it used for a long time (although Two still shows Four's programmes, like that weather series and Mad Men). Bradley0110 (talk) 16:39, 25 August 2009 (UTC)