Talk:BMPT Terminator

Classification?
Should this really be classified as an armoured personel carrier?

81.3.111.46 22:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No, because it isn't. It's an anti-personnel MBT support vehicle. But my real concern is: Why don't we have a picture of an BMPT? Can anyone source one? Dhatfield (talk) 13:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Call me cynical but there are a lot of articles boasting about wonderful Russian military equipment that never quite goes into production... If there are no photographs available ( and last time I heard Russia still has troops fighting in Checnya ) perhaps its because none of these vehicles has gone into production. 91.128.113.104 (talk) 17:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No, there a few BMPT's producted (to 2010 planned to equip 1 company of BMPT's)

Photos available there http://www.btvt.narod.ru/5/bmpt/bmpt.htm 93.92.202.139 (talk) 13:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I think the project has been cancelled along with T 95. Check the T 95 page first reference for more details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.107.240.116 (talk) 18:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

According to the "Popular Mechanics"'s source within the industry, both the BMPT and the T-95 are gone, although Kazachstan did order several vehicles as BMPT "Ramka". Also, the "BMP-T" is misleading. Hasn't encountered that dash in Russian sources. It has no relation to the BMP series.--46.138.187.238 (talk) 15:40, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Confusion.
There was a confusion in article. BMPT is not only using active protection, it's hull has additional armor, either more ERA or more normal armor. This is very easy to see by looking at the weight of the vehicle. 47 tons. Weight of T-90 is 46,5 tons. Additional active protection system complex weighs 1300 kg(http://www.kbm.ru/en/product/aps/arena-e), actual turret of the vehicle can not weigh more than 5 tons, which, assuming turret of T-90 weighs ~15 tons, leaves additional 5-10 tons of armoring that went in to hull (where else?).99.231.50.118 (talk) 04:07, 4 March 2009 (UTC)Pavel Golikov.

Turret
I am still not 100% sure (even after looking at some of the pictures) whether this vehicle is fitted with a turret or not. The article contradicts itself on more than one occasion. I have therefore changed 'turret' to 'mount'. RASAM (talk) 13:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

It has a proper turret sticking with gns in all directions, plus a pair of AGL mounts. - --46.138.187.238 (talk) 15:40, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Terminology
Some of the wording ("weapon complexes" and "sending units" for example) feel strange to me. I may be unfamiliar with some jargon but I rather suspect that Russian terminology is seeping into the English translation. I modified "weapon complexes" into "weapon systems" but I have trouble clarifying what a "sending units" is. Anyone ? Jean-Marc Liotier (talk) 11:23, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

This article reads like a brochure to sell the system to potential customers, not a sincere attempt to provide information. --Nickdenuijl (talk) 18:41, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

BMPT > BMPT Terminator
There should be no objections whatsoever. The article of the title should be the common name of the subject. All English sources mention the BMPT Terminator. I don't expect any responses in a week since this article is never busy. If you have objection to the current move, do so within a week. Khazar (talk) 22:31, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Used in Syria
The BMPT Terminator is used in Syria. You can see the Tank on photos taken at the Khmeimim air base https://southfront.org/president-assad-visited-russian-khmeimim-air-base-in-syria-photo-report-video/ DerElektriker (talk) 05:56, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

BMP T-15 ("Terminator 3")
It's the tank type evolution of the two variants, there i already a main article about it, I'm trying to slim down a paragraph for it, while adding the Further Info to the main article.

Part of the info taken from:

Camp0s 12 March 2022

A section on its capabilities ASSESSMENT is missing
This is an essential piece of information, and the "Appearance in the media" section is totally insufficient in this regard, as well as problematic:

Are really both quotations Murahovskij's? Apparently from two distinct interviews? Or from one, but quoted in two separate articles? In any case, leaving him (what are his credentials?) as the only quoted specialist looks like POV, is one-sided by definition.

How do specialists in general assess the fighting capabilities of the BMPT? Is it a white elephant, or a real asset? The fact that the Russian army only has 20-30 pieces of it, and that it hasn't deployed them for the first 2.5 months of the very slow-going Ukraine invasion, might indicate that it's considered to be rather useless. Arminden (talk) 06:54, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Russia seems to have now deployed ten. According to the UK MOD, it's their only ten operation vehicles. It says they aren't expected to have a significant impact. . (Hohum @ ) 15:11, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Estonia
Estonia 46.131.50.174 (talk) 04:55, 31 May 2022 (UTC)


 * What? GMRE (talk) 23:39, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Section needed: Operational history
This article should have an "operational history" section. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 04:53, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Confusion over the names of versions and similar vehicles
So it's like there's a BMPT "Terminator", a BMPT "Terminator 2", a BMPT-72 (which might just be an unofficial term for the first two T-72 based vehicles) and a "Terminator 3" Armata hull vehicle (which might actually be the T-15 Armata). GMRE (talk) 23:50, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The opening block of text above all headings makes reference to the T-14 Armata tank for some unclear reason, while it should obviously link to the T-15 Armata instead.
 * Also, it's confusing and unclear if the "Terminator 3" is another name of the T-15 Armata, or if there is one more Armata-based vehicle that looks very similar to the T-15. All information about the BMPT "Terminator 3" seems to describe the T-15 Armata, with out directly saying so. Don't all Armata-based vehicles have some kind of a T-[number]? So, if there is an Armata-based "Terminator 3", shouldn't it be some kind of a T-XX Armata?
 * Multiple points in the article mention a "BMPT-72". What is that? Is that an unofficial name, or an official name?