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Why are there TWO different articles entitled Barnes & Noble
One appears to be more a market driven article than the other and the "history" section appears to be quite different Transparent Eye (talk) 15:59, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Out of town retail stores
What exactly makes it famous for 'out of town' retail stores? Just curious... - HC —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.235.44.231 (talk • contribs) 06:17, 28 February 28 2005 (UTC)

Number of employees
Tried to make the number of employees appear but was having trouble. It's 40,000 if anyone could fix that, that would be great. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.233.109.98 (talk • contribs) 23:27, 4 March 2005 (UTC)


 * Fixed the problem with making number of employees show up. It seems that someone misused the | tag in the key_people category. - AJ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oo64eva (talk • contribs) 05:54, 30 March 2005 UTC)

GameSpot ???
As far as I know, GameSpot is owned by CNET. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fadetoblack (talk • contribs) 02:20, 21 April 2005 (UTC)


 * They own 59% of GameStop, infobox was fixed. &mdash; oo64eva (AJ) (U @ 05:28, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)


 * Gamestop was spunoff in fiscal 2005. It is publicly traded on the NYSE and completely independent of Barnes & Noble.  --Sep 10, 2006 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.8.116 (talk • contribs) 20:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Worldwide?
What is the evidence for the statement in the first line of the article that Barnes and Noble is "worldwide". I can't see any evidence that they are in more than one country! This change was made by an anonymous user (who has made no other Wikipedia contributions) on 15 March 2006 and I am going to change it --PeterR 08:26, 19 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Good catch, Peter! --MCB 22:50, 19 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Barnes & Noble, Inc. is international! Barnesandnoble.com (a wholly owned subsidiary of Barnes & Noble, Inc.) ships internationally (This can be verified by checking the shipping options on the barnesandnoble.com website) and has customers making purchases outside of the US.  Additionally, as stated in Barnes & Noble's 2005 Form 10-K (filed with the SEC on 5 April 2006), "The Company leases…two locations in the United Kingdom for office and warehouse space for Calendar Club:…40,016 and 22,363 square feet…"  Furthermore, Sterling Publishing Co., Inc. (yet another wholly owned subsidiary of Barnes & Noble, Inc.) licenses some of it's published works for UK distribution through UK wholesalers. --27 August 2006 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.8.116 (talk • contribs) 10:08, August 27, 2006 (UTC)


 * Right, but unlike Borders, it doesn't actually have real overseas stores which one can walk into and buy a book. All its actual retail B2C operations are in the United States. --Coolcaesar 06:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Incorrect I work in publishing and am currently in export dealing with a Barnes and Noble store in Bahrain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.126.140.114 (talk) 09:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Music
"The music is played louder in this area of the store as a psychological attempt to keep people from over staying." I think the music is usually awful but it isn't really that loud. Sounds POV. MafiaCapo 11:12, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, it seems to be based on the author's subjective opinion. Actually, after reading over the section several times, I edited to remove the entire paragraph about the size, table design, etc., of the cafés. It is unsourced, appears to be an opinion or conclusion, and not only is it unverifiable, it's not really factual: I've been in a number of B&N cafes in different parts of the country, and the size of the cafe, the cafe tables, the music volume, etc., vary widely, and I don't think anything encyclopedic can be assrted about those things without strong sources. MCB 17:26, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Having worked @ a B&N I can tell you the cafe` & the music department have their own volume controls. If the department was louder it was due to the employee working in that department.Vea 00:42, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The music volume comment was completely false and needed to be removed, byt Vea- not all BN stores have the exact same sound system installed. any reasonable person would realize that. Tony P 07:25, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

More Run-on Sentences than I can Shake a Stick At.
Maybe I'll get to it first, but the author of this article seems to be under the impression that one can simply add in a few hundred ","'s and write an entire paragraph in a single sentence.

The word flow on this page makes my reading senses go "ouch". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.113.239.146 (talk • contribs) 20:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Expansion
Does anybody have any info about Barnes & Noble expanding to other countries?Maybe Puerto Rico? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BoricuaPR (talk • contribs) 15:49, December 27, 2006 (UTC)


 * FYI, Puerto Rico is not another country it is part of the United States. Tom Bonnie 23:01, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes its true,but since 98% percent of americans don't know it..--BoricuaPR 23:03, 29 December 2006 (UTC)


 * They have no plans to open any stores outside the United States.Allyona (talk) 04:49, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Gamestop
I think they still own enough of GameStop to be notable. I know I get my B&N employee discount there. Mustafarox 16:36, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * you might want to double check that. I last worked for B&N in May 2005, the Gamestop discount was discontinued before then.  It may have changed since then, just making a note. Deatonjr 16:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm a Barnes and Nobles employee in New York City. I can still walk into a GameStop with my paystub and get a nice 20% off of games. Unfortunately no discount on the platforms. :( So yeah, apparently B&N still owns enough of GameStop to warrant employee discounts. --24.168.116.69 08:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It's my understanding what when I worked for Babbages was that one of the Riggio brothers owned the portion of the company and that the discount was done as a courtesy. --Drmike 02:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The discount has been valid at (first Babbages) Gamestop consistently for at least the past 12 years.Allyona (talk) 04:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Gamestop is now a publicly traded company, completely independent of Barnes & Noble, Inc. Aside from current and former Barnes & Noble Officers and/or Directors serving on the Gamestop Board, Barnes & Noble Inc. and Gamestop Inc. have a strategic partnership with regard to video games sales and distribution via BarnesandNoble.com (a wholly owned subsidiary of Barnes & Noble, Inc.).  As of January, 2008, Barnes & Noble and Gamestop employees receive employee dicount benefits at both Barnes & Noble and Gamestop retail stores. --23 January 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.249.137 (talk • contribs) 07:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Unlike other bookstores...
I have an issue with the "Unlike other bookstores..." bit where it's said that other chains don't do much publishing. When I ran my Waldenbooks way back when, we had store owned imprint titles as well and they were fairly well featured. --Drmike 03:00, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of Queen's Café Section
It seems to me that the section detailing the location of a Starbucks near a Barnes and Noble in Queens, and the subsequent confusion generated by having a Starbucks separate from the bookstore, is unnecessary as it deals with an oddity in only one specific location of a Barnes and Noble, and doesn't really help to flesh out the B&N-Starbucks connection. If nobody else minds, I'm going to delete this location-specific paragraph. Danberbro (talk) 18:06, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed -- good edit. --MCB (talk) 00:17, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Common Conversation Mistake
It has been a common mistake, at least in the American English language, to call Barnes and Noble: "Barnes and Nobles." So much so that the name of the bookseller has been known as Barnes and Nobles for a long time in the English language. However, this isn't their name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.233.119.117 (talk) 17:40, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Anna Currence and the Superstore Design
In the Anna Currence article, and in several Crown Books/SEC articles online, it is claimed Anna Currence was a key designer of the B&N Superstore. I cannot find anything from the B&N side to verify that. Is that simply a claim that she/Crown made, or is there truth to it somewhere? --BizMgr (talk) 18:01, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Biggest bookstore in the world?
A sign in the window of the Manhattan Flagship prides itself on being "The World's Largest Bookstore". I saw it once recently while passing by. Given the factuality of this, I think this is especially noteworthy in the article. Thanks, -Alan 24.184.184.177 (talk) 05:06, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Only if it were true. Signs in store windows don't meet our standards for reliable sourcing. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  16:59, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Current Status of B. Dalton
Does the chain still exist? They seem to have vanished from every mall that I know of. 70.88.213.74 (talk) 19:44, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. You can find them in the store locator on their website. Jim (talk) 05:59, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Corporate newsletter
For the most part, this entire article reads more like a statement from the company, than an encyclopedic entry on the book store. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.161.114.221 (talk) 22:12, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Stephen Kings, The Plant, an unfinished novel
I am looking to find anyone who knows anything about the book The Plant, that Stephen King published through this bookstore on the internet in 2000-01. I would like to know how many sections where posted. I have 4, and am looking for the last 2 which I am assuming there were 6 published on the internet. Please let me know. 98.225.28.218 (talk) 03:53, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

History as a publisher
This sentence is incorrect, even though it appears to have been | sourced from Barnes & Nobles' website: "Barnes & Noble began to publish books during the 1980s, when they started reissuing out-of-print titles." I have several reprint titles published by B&N that I purchased in the 1960s, and I was given books in Barnes & Noble's College Outline Series from the 1940s. Also, according to | this reference they started publishing children's educational books in 1944 (after taking over Hinds, Hayden & Eldredge). Jim (talk) 05:53, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I have a B&N College Outline statistics book (not in front of me) published in the sixties or seventies. The above comment is about a year and a half old and the incorrect statement is still in the article.11:16, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

I do not know when they started publishing their own titles (1940s or before), but since the correct date hasn't surfaced in 5.5 years since the issue was raised, I have removed the sentence. It could be restored with the correct date when this is determined. Jim (talk) 17:19, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

B. Dalton?
"B. Dalton" redirects here, but the article only mentions that B&N bought B.Dalton in 1987. There should be an information on the history of B. Dalton before the merger with B&N. Either there should be a separate article on Dalton, or there should be two sections on history in this one: One for B&N and another for Dalton.

By the way, can someone verify the date that B&N purchased Dalton? I remember there was a Dalton in my town in 1994. SlowJog (talk) 04:07, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ B. Dalton is now a separate article. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 01:36, 15 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks! That article also answers my "by the way" question. B&N simply didn't convert all the B.Dalton's right away. SlowJog (talk) 14:39, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Advertising
This entire article needs to be rewritten as there is obvious bias throughout the entire article. From "upscale" to "#1," this article stinks of opinionated information. And sadly, it has not been classified this way.

The characterization of this bookseller as "upscale" is not sourced, and makes no sense. Since they partner with many small booksellers who resell books for $0.01 on their website, with a low satisfaction rating, they are hardly the model of an upscale business. Selling books previously donated to Salvation Army for $0.01 is hardly an upscale business practice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.88.143.1 (talk) 03:51, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

eReader app
List this under nook?

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/ebooks/download-reader.asp?PID=28414&cds2Pid=28843&linkid=1509169

Hcobb (talk) 19:52, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Why does this need a citation?
"Although the cafés are owned and operated by Barnes & Noble, servers follow Starbucks' standards in beverage preparation; the prominent Starbucks logo is sometimes confusing for customers wanting to use their Starbucks Stored-Value Cards or Gold Card, which are not accepted (the Barnes & Noble membership card is accepted to receive a discount on any café related goods).[citation needed]"

I didn't write this portion, but aside from the mention of it being "confusing for customers" all of the rest of the statement is factual. If you go to the Barnes & Noble Cafe, they are unable to accept Starbucks Gold Cards or gift cards, and you are able to get the B&N Membership discount in the cafe. These are facts. Why is a citation needed? Xprivate eyex (talk) 09:35, 11 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Because the Verifiability and No Original Research policies require it. Nightscream (talk) 18:06, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That's right. Verifiability, not truth, is the criterion for inclusion WhisperToMe (talk) 20:22, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

BN stuff
WhisperToMe (talk) 20:22, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * http://ebm.cheetahmail.com/r/regf2?a=0&aid=266639891&n=100
 * http://www.bn.com/borders/

Does anyone have any stats on how many books Barnes and Noble have sold?
I think it would be a really good stat to add to the page

Theawesome67 (talk) 16:51, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Last remaining national bookseller
The article claims based on two newspaper articles (which are probably based on the same press release) that B&N is the last remaining national bookseller. If you look at the page for Books-A-Million, you'll see that it's the second largest bookseller behind B&N. Both of these claims can't be correct. If the claim is based on the word "national" because BAM doesn't sell in all regions, then it comes across more as an advertising/promotional claim than a factual claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrSampson (talk • contribs) 16:50, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

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Article split
While the tag was placed back in May, since no discussion was actually opened I figured I'd start the discussion.

In my opinion, I think a combination split–merge is the best course of action. That is, split the bulk of the B&N Education material out of this article since it is mostly post-spin-off events about a separate company that is no longer part of the company that is the subject of this article. That material should be merged with Barnes & Noble College Booksellers, the article already covering the majority of the history of B&N Ed's main operation. That article should probably then be moved to the Barnes & Noble Education title though it should still mention the "College Booksellers" branding. This article should contain only a short summary section explaining that B&N Ed was once a division of this company but was spun-off, linking to the other article of course. Indeed, looking at it, the decision to cover B&N Ed in this article in the first place was a mistake. oknazevad (talk) 02:46, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Info Material should be added on this article:
"In September 2022, this store will replace two former Boston-area Amazon Books stores that were closed in March of this year, that will take place in Legacy Place in Dedham and MarketStreet in Lynnfield locations in Boston."

I think that this type of statement should be added on this article. This is because there aren't recent events that are added on this article history section. And there is a chance that a store opened in one of these areas.

But would you tell me reasons why did you remove this part of info on that article?

-- 2601:205:C001:EA0:DD9D:F980:1B2C:6117 (talk) 19:45, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Because it is incredibly trivial within the context of the decades-long history of this company. See WP:UNDUE and WP:RECENTISM for a more detailed explanation. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  19:48, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

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Disputed source
Since no one else will discuss instead of reverting after being reverted, I'll start the discussion. I think the source is a poor source that doesn't add anything to the article. It's a self-published source, and therefore lacks strong editorial oversight, and is written by the subject's granddaughter, so therefore is of questionable neutrality. And it's not needed to verify the sentence, as the records from Harvard itself are already present. oknazevad (talk) 03:36, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Disagree - source is nearly 20 years old, provides bland details, and is fairly NPOV. Frankly I wouldn't have found the Harvard source, which I also added if not for the "poor source". Everything I've cross-checked on it checks out. And one has made a claim that any underlying facts are incorrrect. Jjazz76 (talk) 07:57, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Source Question
The Noble Legacy: The Story of Gilbert Clifford Noble, Cofounder of the Barnes & Noble and Noble & Noble Book Companies by Betty N. Turner. iUniverse: 2006 ISBN 0595374786, 9780595374786

Looking for some consensus on this source. It has been used a number of times in this article already, and now an editor is questioning its validity because it comes from a self-published press. Book concerns events more than 100 years ago, on a topic there isn't a lot written on. Source seems pretty NPOV, and no one seems to have had an issue with it before the other day. Also worth noting that editor who questioned the source has been blocked twice, once for sock-puppetry. Thoughts? Jjazz76 (talk) 07:55, 3 December 2023 (UTC)


 * Also worth noting this source is already used five times in the current article. Jjazz76 (talk) 20:55, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
 * That was nit apparent at all, being that redundant refs are discouraged and secondary calls to a reference should use named refs. oknazevad (talk) 19:09, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure what you mean by that? Jjazz76 (talk) 04:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * What is a redundant ref?
 * What is a secondary call to a reference? Jjazz76 (talk) 04:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * When a reference is used more than once at different spots in the article, it's is not only possible but preferable to have the superscripts point to the same entries in the reference list, instead of listing it multiple times. WP:NAMEDREF shows how. oknazevad (talk) 04:56, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
 * ok i'll take a loot at that. but the main substantive point is the reference has already been used a bunch in the article, and still is used in the article. And was introduced for the first time around 2014, without issue. Here we are ten years later. Jjazz76 (talk) 06:51, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

As a publisher
We need better coverage of B&N as a book publisher rather than a bookseller, perhaps at a separate Barnes & Noble (publisher). B&N in this role was a significant publisher at least throughout most of the 20th century, and produced a lot of academic and quasi-academic volumes that we cite. But it is potentially confusing to readers to do Barnes & Noble in a citation, because arriving at the present article provides virtually no information about publishing, only sales. I.e., it looks rather like confusedly or spammerishly shop-linking to Amazon.com, promoting a vendor, instead of legitimately linking to the actual publisher. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  14:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)