Talk:Bernard Frénicle de Bessy

Category sorting
Typically if one refers to this fellow by surname it would be Frénicle, right? That's what I seem to find online. Is there any reason why the category sorting keys on Bessy? Ntsimp 13:35, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

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1693
The article says "in 1693, he described all 880 essentially different normal magic squares of order 4." Given that he had been dead for 18 years, that was pretty amazing. Wolfram's MathWorld makes the same error. Xanthoxyl &lt; 17:14, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Short form of name
The full name is Bernard Frénicle de Bessy, so I suppose the given name is Bernard. But how should the "short" form of the surname be written: As of now, we are being inconsistent. /80.71.142.78 (talk) 18:54, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Frénicle (seen 8 times in the article)
 * Bessy (seen twice in the article)
 * Frénicle de Bessy (used by our source MacTutor)
 * de Bessy (used by one quote (J Earls) seen in MacTutor)


 * It's actually "Bernard Frénicle, chevalier de Bessy" (i.e., ... Knight of Bessy). So his (short) family name is "Frénicle". The way his name is written in the "References" section, "de Bessy, Frénicle: ..." is totally nonsensical, it suggests that "Frénicle" is his first (given) name and "de Bessy" his last (family) name. But his family name clearly is "Frénicle", and his given name is "Bernard". The suffix "de Bessy" names probably his castle (there's a "chateau de Bessy" in the near East of Paris, is the family from there?) or is maybe just made up in order to make the family name sound more "noble". &mdash; MFH:Talk 23:34, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

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