Talk:Big Brother Mzansi season 1

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Requested move 21 June 2018

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Mahveotm (talk) 12:52, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

page not moved

– I could not find sources to support that each season was individually numbered by the broadcaster or the production company for this edition. Also when this edition first launched in 2001 it was known as Big Brother South Africa (Official website as of June 6, 2001 reflects this name.) Beginning with the third season the name was changed to Big Brother Mzansi. (Article that discusses the return and name change)
 * Big Brother Mzansi 3 (South Africa) → Big Brother (South Africa season 3)
 * Big Brother Mzansi 4 (South Africa) → Big Brother (South Africa season 4)

As part of a wider effort to align the naming convention guidelines of WP:BIGBRO with the established guidelines of WP:NCTV I'm proposing we move the individual season articles to the names suggested. This reduces over disambiguating the season articles and prevents future conflicts if editors decided to create individual season articles for the first two seasons.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  21:23, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Support, as per nom. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:14, 22 June 2018 (UTC) (Striking vote, as per Gonnym below.) Change to oppose, as per Gonnym below. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:54, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Support as long as the title really is Big Brother and not Big Brother Mzansi or Big Brother South Africa (or something in another language, with English-language sources actually preferring the non-English version, which seems unlikely). This "Big Brother x (Country/language_name_here)" stuff is just aberrant. We don't do that with any articles titles about anything, meanwhile we have a stable and site-wide TV convention of "Title_here (season X)", from which there is no reason to diverge in this case.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  06:22, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose based on this reference Alucard 16 provided it seems this is a reboot (12 years a part) and not a continuation of the previous show. There are plenty sources online calling this by Big Brother Mzansi and not by Big Brother South Africa. Also, it seems a lot of sources, some which might be RS and other sites like bloggers, use the new counting and do not count the previous South African seasons. --Gonnym (talk) 14:26, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Based on what you say, there should be a follow-up WP:RM proposal, then, to take these to Big Brother Mzansi (season 1) and Big Brother Mzansi (season 2). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:57, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would be the correct action. Gonnym (talk) 16:30, 28 June 2018 (UTC)


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Requested move 4 July 2018

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The result of the move request was: consensus to move the pages to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 16:42, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

– Based on this source (provided in the previous discussion) it seems this is a reboot (12 years apart) and not a continuation of the previous show. There are plenty sources online calling this by Big Brother Mzansi and not by Big Brother South Africa. Also, it seems a lot of sources, some which might be RS and other sites like bloggers, use the new counting (1-2) and do not count the previous South African seasons. All this suggests this series is a separate series from the same country. In addition, per WP:NCTV these should be the correct article names. Gonnym (talk) 13:38, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Big Brother Mzansi 3 (South Africa) → Big Brother Mzansi (season 1)
 * Big Brother Mzansi 4 (South Africa) → Big Brother Mzansi (season 2)


 * Support as per previous RM discussion – this does appear to be the title of this show, and as a "reboot" the season numbering should restart at 1. The rest of the proposal simply fulfills proper naming scheme under WP:NCTV. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:29, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Support I do not agree with the reasoning in the previous RM or this reasoning but this seems to be the path of least resistance. I support this change for now to resolve the naming issue.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  00:43, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Support as nominator. Noticed I forgot. --Gonnym (talk) 22:50, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


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