Talk:Bock

American Examples
As with so many beer pages, there are far too many non-notable examples from the US for a style not native to the US. There are hundreds of micros in the states, most of them produce a bock, and they can't all be mentioned. Simply having a wikipedia article for the brewery is not a sufficient indication that a US brewery's bock is notable &mdash; it is barely enough to show the brewery itself is notable. 1Z (talk) 13:44, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree. Every example given should have a secondary source confirming it is representative of the style. I suggest removing the "International" list entirely, and ensuring that any bocks listed in the sections of the various sub-styles are either listed by the BJCP as good examples of the style, or have other secondary sourcing.Guinness323 (talk) 13:51, 19 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I think that if only one or two bocks are produced in a given country, that is automatically notable to some

extent. Relying on the BJCP as a single or main source has proven prolematical in the past. 1Z (talk) 14:22, 19 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I am not suggesting BJCP is the sole source and fount of information, just one of the more accessible and recognized secondary sources. I don't have a problem if other secondary sources are used to back up inclusion on this list--there's lots of beer critic books out there. The problem, as I see it, is an editor placing a bock on the list because it happens to be made by his or her favourite craft brewer.Guinness323 (talk) 16:08, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Along these lines, I edited and removed Shiner Bock from the list. Shiner Bock is a Dark American Lager, and is listed as such in the BJCP style guidelines. Not taking anything away from the beer itself, it just isn't a bock. Traditional bocks have significantly more malt complexity and aroma than is present in Shiner Bock. There's no apparent Munich or Vienna malt character to it which is an absolute necessity to the style. It however does fit the style of the Dark American lager very well.--Palcrypt (talk) 21:32, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Canadian examples
This list needs pruning too. There really needs to be some indication of notability, eg oldest, largest production volume, awards won. 1Z (talk) 14:22, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * and references too. Looks like OR. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 10:28, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Luther
No mention of Martin Luther's supposed fondness for Einbeck beer? Sca (talk) 00:55, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

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Lager?
The article says bocks are lagers (I actually showed up here because I wanted to confirm that fact), but the article contains an image of Aventinus Weizen-Eisbock, and the bottle clearly states that it's an ale. Can someone with more knowledge about this chime in? Lexicon (talk) 21:24, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * In Germany, only beer made from 100% barley malt can be fermented with bottom-fermenting yeast (i.e. lager yeast). The reulst is a lager, and would include bock, doppelbock and maibock. If beer wheat malt is added to the grist, the brewer must use top-fermenting (i.e. ale yeast.) The result is an ale, and would include weizenbock. Guinness323 (talk) 07:14, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

"Dark Doppelbock" section should be deleted or folded into the Doppelbock section
The "Dark Doppelbock" described in the eponymous section is complete nonsense. It purports to describe a single example of the Doppelbock style, and not even a particularly noteworthy one, having no historical significance, and only a few awards some years back. The sources given refer to two different beers- the Schwarzbräu Schneeböckchen and Schwarzbräu Aged Bock- both of which are doppelbocks of no particular importance. As far as I can tell, the Schneeböckchen isn't even in production any more!

This section should be deleted outright. If the beers were notable, they could warrant brief mention in the preceding Doppelbock section, but they're just not. I attempted to do so (as an IP edit; I'm only a very occasional editor and almost exclusively for typo fixes, so I never bothered making an account until now), and it was reverted by User:Limited Idea4me and I was warned for vandalism, so I made an account to bring the issue to the talk page. Thepsyborg (talk) 03:33, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


 * After more than three weeks without comment or response I made the edit in question, deleting the section once again, hopefully for good this time. Thepsyborg (talk) 05:29, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

List of brands
I have removed an uncited list of Maibock brands. Without citations it appears to be original research and commercial promotion. There is no apparent encyclopedic purpose to such lists. I intend to remove the similar lists for other varieties. Kablammo (talk) 13:23, 10 March 2022 (UTC)