Talk:Both Lives Matter

Location
Hi, thanks for creating this article. Just a quick note, I've changed the location from "United Kingdom" to "Northern Ireland". While the former is technically accurate, it could be consider a pro-Unionist point of view, particularly as the group's views are shared by the Democratic Unionist Party. Hope that all makes sense. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:53, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Not a problem - I was going to say 'Northern Ireland' initially but thought someone would change it to United Kingdom! Birtig (talk) 14:11, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

"pro-life"
To call this group "pro-life" is to put a spin on this, and not one that actually fits the group. They're attention appears to be on a single narrow aspect of life, that regarding abortion. A straightforward description of "anti-abortion" would be both more neutral and more accurate. And it doesn't help that most of the opening paragraph is quoting their statement of what they claim to be, rather than third-party sourcing on what they are. --Nat Gertler (talk) 20:25, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi. Thanks for discussing on the talk page. I chose to use the phrase 'pro-life' as that is the description they use of themselves, and is also used by reliable sources such as . It is also the typical description used for similar groups (for example, Society for the Protection of Unborn Children, Voice for Life and Right to Life New Zealand.) the phrase 'anti-abortion' is not 'more neutral' as it tends to be used by opponents of their agenda. Cheers Birtig (talk) 21:37, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * It is used by opponents as well as other sources because it is a specific descriptor of what the group campaigns for. Trying to paint themselves as "pro-life" makes them sound upbeat and casts those who disagree with their agenda as "anti-life". You'll note that "pro-life" in article titles in Wikipedia, except where "pro-life" is part of a proper noun, always redirect to an article where the title does not include that phrase; that's for neutrality's sake. See pro-life, pro-life tactics, pro-life terrorism, List of pro-life organizations in the United States. --Nat Gertler (talk) 22:34, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * MOS:IDENTITY is clear on this. Multiple RS describe the group as "pro-life." The group self-identifies as "pro-life." Thus "pro-life" is the appropriate descriptor per policy. Those other "anti-abortion" pages don't count per WP:OTHER. – Lionel(talk) 01:10, 14 March 2018 (UTC)