Talk:Brighton

Odd Landmark Section
Under "Landmarks", you say quite a bit about the i360, a loss-making folly currently looking for a new sponsor as British Airways will shortly be taking their name off the spindly embarrassment when their current contract ends. Yet you talk about it in such glowingly uncritical terms that I suspect the text may have been copied from some early i360 publicity material. Actually it only continues to operate at all because the city council have repeatedly deferred repayments on the enormous loan they provided for its construction, and its days are surely numbered. You might say a word or two about its relative unpopularity and precarious financial situation instead of trying to advertise the stupid thing.

Even more oddly, that section describes the West Pier in the present tense as "Grade I listed" and talks about its "eventual restoration". Excuse me, but although I haven't checked, I'm pretty sure it isn't currently listed as Grade I or any other level, because there's nothing left to list, or for that matter restore! The article implies that it's in a poor state but could be fixed and eventually will be. But as any recent picture would show (perhaps you should have one, since it's still a Brighton landmark, albeit rather a pathetic one?), it is now and has been for quite a number of years nothing but a skeletal remnant unconnected to the shore that gets a bit smaller with each storm. The pier is literally 99% gone! There are a couple of ticket booths where the landward end of it used to be, some girders sticking forlornly out of the sea, and that's yer lot! It's in a far worse state than Glasgow Art College or Notre Dame Cathedral ever was! Implying that it might somehow get better is a bit misleading, don't you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.52.255 (talk) 11:13, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It is a Grade I-listed building... Hassocks 5489 (Floreat Hova!)  18:25, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Suggested change
Brighton, unitary authority, City of Brighton and Hove. 78.86.3.254 (talk) 07:29, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Change
Coming into Brighton there's no separation,signs welcome you to Brighton and Hove, driving through sign posts will guide you all the way to central Brighton from all angles stating City centre, for Hove signs after 2000 state (central Hove). After 2000 signage stating Brighton town centre is replaced by City centre! Brighton IS a unitary authority City of Brighton and Hove, come to Brighton, there's no town centre there’s ONE City centre ! No separate Town and City devide,Brighton and Hove is the City but Brighton is also classed as the City on its own,There’s No signpost after 2000 that says town for Brighton or Hove. all signpost,road signs,bus stops,websites,Brighton council,local papers,Brighton City airport and many more say the same,after 2000 every new road sign about 40 of them state City centre for central Brighton and Central Hove for Hove,I’m the stating facts I know I’m not a Wikipedian but I’m right so please can we work together. 78.86.166.88 (talk) 09:29, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm struggling to understand what change or changes are being proposed. Could you clarify please?  Hassocks 5489 (Floreat Hova!)  10:06, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I think firstly Brighton should say City? Or City and unitary authority? I know it is a seaside resort but think this would describe it better. 78.86.166.88 (talk) 10:21, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I see. The problem is (and I appreciate that it makes things complicated on Wikipedia) that Brighton itself is not the city: that status applies specifically to Brighton and Hove (i.e. the entity formed in 1997 from the merger of Brighton Borough and Hove Borough, and which then became a city in 2000).  So in relation to this article, we need to find some suitable description for Brighton which makes it clear that it is part of a city but is not the city itself.  I must admit I don't really know what the best answer is: since the unitary authority was created, Brighton itself doesn't really have any official status (whereas previously it could legitimately be described as a town and a borough).  I have in the past on other articles used the description "a constituent part of the city of Brighton and Hove" when referring to Brighton.  Hassocks 5489 (Floreat Hova!)  10:39, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Brighton does class itself as the City also though, ok what about Brighton unitary authority of the City of Brighton and Hove 78.86.166.88 (talk) 11:20, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Although i agree Brighton is a Seaside resort, it shouldn't be in the main/short description, we can't just class Brighton as a seaside resort and it's certainly not a town. By having 'seaside resort ' we have been taken off the map. literally !                      Brighton - City of Brighton and Hove on the south coast of England. Would be more appropriate and professional without it being so long and far less confusion.                                   I propose Brighton ( City of Brighton and Hove ) this is how the City is pronounced coming into Brighton on the road signs 78.86.165.157 (talk) 10:25, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Or Brighton, Brighton and Hove,City in England 78.86.166.88 (talk) 11:23, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The current longstanding consensus is to describe the "Brighton" component of the city as a seaside resort. Further edit-warring on that will result in more blocks. OhNo itsJamie Talk 02:15, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * But Bighton is classed as the City of Brighton and Hove so that’s what it should say on here so Bighton (City of Brighton and Hove) would be correct. Everything else would stay the same and it explains the merger further down. 78.86.32.99 (talk) 14:46, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * By whom is it so classed? This is an encyclopaedia: our evidence should be based on high quality, NPOV sources, not casual usage, ignorant inaccuracy, or promotional enthusiasm to overstate the case. Kevin McE (talk) 09:11, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Order
The current order within the first caption, in my opinion, is not good, because there is an image ("Royal Pavilion") in the middle of the other images; I don't know which order to propose. Anybody got an idea? JackkBrown (talk) 19:46, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Notification of discussion: how and when to record award of city status
A discussion has begun on developing a writing guideline for how and when to record award of city status. You may wish to contribute at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements Contributions from editors who were involved in updating the award to B&H are particularly welcome. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:52, 19 July 2023 (UTC)