Talk:Broadmoor Hospital

Title
Is it necerserry to have a reference for the title of the article. It looks a bit silly TBH. Ydam 14:03, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Now that you have pointed it out -I am inclined to agree with you. I'll make it an external link.--Aspro 16:08, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Notable patients of Broadmoor Hospital
I propose that this section be used for those patients who are notable for reasons other than what brought them to be at the hospital. Arguable, there could arise an exception to this, but without such a limiting semantic factor applied to 'notable' it could end up a very long list.--Aspro 17:31, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, should Ian Huntley be added to the notable patients list? My dad is works at Broadmoor, previously as a Mental Health Nurse I think, now as a search officer. I think he said that Huntley was being moved to Broadmoor, but someone needs to double check this. --Shadowoflinux 21:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC


 * Ian Brady is not and has never been in Broadmoor Special Hospital, He is in Ashworth Hospital
 * (comment by user:Fred_nelson moved here from main article by) --Aspro 13:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I say no. I think 'notable' should be reserved for people who were notable for 'other' reasons such as Richard_Dadd the artist (the Museum Room at Broadmoor is decorated with some prints of his work) or the chap who became a prolific contributor to the Oxford English Dictionary. It is pointless putting everybody into this category for the sole reason that they are at Broadmoor - and it is difficult to keep current.--Aspro 17:09, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

"Brady spent 19 years in HMP Parkhurst (at one point befriending serial poisoner and fellow Nazi aficionado Graham Frederick Young) before he was declared mentally disordered in 1985 and sent to Broadmoor Hospital, a secure psychiatric hospital for the criminally insane." Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Brady

Ian Brady was an inmate/patient for a number of years.86.16.138.134 15:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Just changed "Margaret Rutherford's Father" to "William Rutherford Benn, father of Margaret Rutherford", Margaret was not a patient here, so naming her but not her father, the actual patient, seems silly. Should this guy even be here anyway? he is not famous for anything other than being the father of an actressPhilman132 (talk) 12:58, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

DSPD
There should really be a separate page for 'DSPD' as the entry would also be relevant to Rampton Hospital, various UK prisons and the UK Ministry of Justice (nee Home Office). There is also a great deal more to be said about the legal and psychiatric status of DSPD 'patients'. I will try to find time for this in the next week or so. --Mehr licht 21:14, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Agree: Ignorance breeds misunderstandings.  It needs 'more light' -if you pardon the pun.
 * Meanwhile this article has staled so, I will attempt giving it some structure. --Aspro 11:43, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Have made some changes to the layout. Also, added a Notes section, so that the 'main body' of text can be kept concise, whilst allowing for the inclusion of what 'some but not all' readers might find interesting detail. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cnote  on how to use . This should make it easier to expand this article without it getting jumbled.--Aspro 11:47, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Security Rating
Broadmoor isn't a "maximum security" hospital; it is classed as "high" secure, equivalent to a Category B UK prison. A Category A UK prison is more secure and in the UK there is no such thing as a "maximum" scure hosptial or prison. I've changed the relevant part of the text to reflect this. Gruffty 21:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I have amended the description in the first line to 'high security'. This is the correct term: it is consistent with the language used in the description of such hospitals in section 123 of the Mental Health Act 1983.--Greatest hits 17:41, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Langdon Hospital isn't a high secure unit. There are only three high secure units in England: Broadmoor, Rampton, and Ashworth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cw179 (talk • contribs) 22:57, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Reference to ROI hospital in first paragraph
"The Republic of Ireland has The Central Mental Hospital in Dundrum."

I don't see why this article should mention anything about the Republic of Ireland's hospitals, some people here may be misinformed and think that the two countries are still in union and are dependent on one another, this is not the case, they are two separate sovereign states. Talking about the ROI here is akin to mentioning hospitals in China, Germany or Mexico, it's unneeded and inappropriate. Removed for the time being. Your views? 86.16.138.134 15:29, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup, it's not relevant to the article on Broadmoor. However, it might be worth slotting into an article on High Security Psychiatric Hospitals (if there is one). Gruffty 00:12, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Horrid sentence structure
"During the early 1990s at least one nearby school maintained, and on occasion used, procedures designed to ensure, in the event of a Broadmoor escape, that no child was ever out of the direct supervision of a member of staff" --  Obviously, this wordy nonsence of a sentence was composed by an inmate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.69.81.2 (talk) 18:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * More likely it's a student from one of those schools, this would be about their standard of education. It's factually accurate, and probably relevant to the article though. I had to go through this in middle school (years 4-6). Instead of being free to meet our parents somewhere outside school or walk home or whatever everyone had to stay in the classroom. Parents/guardians had to come in and we had to confirm to the teacher they were who they claimed to be before we were allowed to leave. The staff had to stay until every single kid had gone home, even if no one was available to collect them for hours. Fortunately it only happened once in my lifetime and they caught the escapee that night. 86.166.235.1 (talk) 13:38, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Satan a patient?
One contributor has suggested that Satan was a patient but we are not told what year and there appears to be little evidence on google. It was deleted on 27th January 2011. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.74.241.39 (talk) 14:34, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Colin Hatch
Should there at least be mention of the role of an assessment at Broadmoor of Colin Hatch (just another pedophile or a psychopath?)

Or will we watch to prevent removal of the mention of Broadmoor from the Colin Hatch article - as "cleanup" ? G. Robert Shiplett 17:21, 23 February 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grshiplett (talk • contribs)

Jimmy Savile sexual abuse scandal
The Jimmy Savile sexual abuse scandal is linked to this subject as Jimmy Saville was involved with a taskforce with keys and a room, was suspected of being an abuser by some staff at Broadmoor and alleged to have committed abuse at several locations including Broadmoor.Autarch (talk) 23:27, 31 October 2012 (UTC) Another relevant link.Autarch (talk) 23:29, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, it should be mentioned here. If I have time I'll do a brief paragraph, drawing on the sources already in the Jimmy Savile sexual abuse scandal article, and Savile's own biographical article, but I'm a bit "Saviled out" at the moment (aren't we all?) so if others want to go ahead first, that's fine by me.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 00:01, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * PS: Now added a brief paragraph. Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:06, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * A very nicely done brief paragraph I might add! Rwendland (talk) 16:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed, an excellent summary! Autarch (talk) 04:10, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Walks the tightrope between extreme coverage and blandness very precisely. Britmax (talk) 19:06, 2 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Did Edwina Curry appoint Savile as interim governor??? She has stated on a couple of talk shows that 10 Downing St. appointed him and she was just notified of it.  Also, we have heard everything from Savile's attempts to get the "Yorkshire Ripper"released to giving the patients skunky beer, but has anyone ever provided any kind of explanation as to how he got ahold of keys to the place???  I mean it seems apparent that he bought his way into Stoke-Mandeville and other places by raising 46 milion pounds in charitable donations.  But Broadmoor was a different ballgame.  As an American, this is the only piece of the fucked-up Savile puzzle that remains unsolved.User:JCHeverly 00:35, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Unsourced claims
Couple of stats in the introduction which don't seem to be sourced there or anywhere:

"Most of the patients there suffer from severe mental illness; many also have personality disorders." (what about the latter diagnosis without the former?)

"Most have either been convicted of serious crimes, or been found unfit to plead in a trial for such crimes." (what about those who had a trial but were e.g. found not guilty by reason of insanity, could have still been sectioned under MH Act to Broadmoor?)

And a mis-represented source in the body of the article (prison misconception subsection):

"in response to claims that criminals were being given unfairly pleasant treatment in the facility, commented, "It's not fair, but what is the alternative? If these people committed crimes because they were suffering from an acute mental illness then they should be in hospital" - The citation for this is showing up wrong, because two different citations have both been named 'BBC'. It is in fact this one and it does NOT say 'unfairly pleasant treatment' - it talks about "nagging concern about the extraordinary level of effort and investment being channelled into the patients". It is also dubious wording here because they are not legally criminals if they were not convicted as such due to mental illness. Wishfulness (talk) 22:18, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

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