Talk:Bryan Adams/Archive 1

Middle Name
Ok, so it's no biggie - but as this is a page for BA, if a middle name exists, it should go here.

See:

http://www.answers.com/topic/bryan-adams-1

http://home.conceptsfa.nl/~mlassauw/bryan/articles/vox.htm

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/08/17/050921.php

http://www.bryanadamsfanclub.nl/biography/

http://www.cbsc.ca/english/decisions/decisions/1998/980520e.htm

so why, michelle, are you removing it? it's not about "doctoring" details to make someone look better - wikipedia is about the facts. So to remove it without comment, noting nothing more than "removing spam", is a bit rubbish. If "Guy" is not BA's middle name at birth, fine - change it to the correct name - but if it is, why dont you leave it alone?

Hi! Thanks for your note. We have been dealing with this for years. His middle name was never Guy, i have his passport details here at the office. Plus, not on any single album of BA's has he ever used the name Guy and we assume this weird fact comes from his being born on Guy Fawkes day. Thanks for the links we will address them asap. Best Michelle1 23:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I heard Bryan Talk about his middle name in an interview. He said it is Guy and that his parents had a sense of humour........ Duncan

Guested with Def Leppard
Bryan Adams guested with Def Leppard in 1993 for a live cover of Bad Company's "Can't Get Enough Of Your Love". I'm finally getting around to adding my signature.

Gringo300 05:20, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

revisions
if you wish to dispute the changes put down by us, please contact info@bryanadams.com we'd be happy to discuss them.

thank you

michelle booth

According to User_Talk:213.70.183.38, these repeated removals are claimed by User:213.70.183.38 as coming from [bryanadams.com bryanadams.com] -- which does appear to be an official Web site. However, 213.70.183.38 (and these edits are coming from all kinds of different IP address) does not give any evidence that he/she was in fact authorized by Adams, or that these removed alleged facts were inaccurate. Above, obviously, the user's claiming to be "michelle booth" (and implicitly claiming to be authorized by Adams). (I think for these to be properly removable, both would need to be shown.) Anyone who has the time and the connections want to try to verify whether these edits were in fact coming from Adams' office?

And, "michelle booth" -- please note that I am not saying that your edits are factually inaccurate. However, as a matter of courtesy, I think it's up for you to show that these are factually accurate, rather than to march in and tell the Wikipedia community that it has to contact you if it wants to dispute these edits. That's not how Wikipedia works. --Nlu 10:49, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Dear who-ever you are,

We are currently on tour in Germany (hence the many IP addresses) and revising the page out here. your facts are NOT correct and that is why they have been removed. If you want to start a page on work done previous to Mr. Adams solo career, by all means, but please stop posting this on this page. Plus he did not live in France for several years, he did not go play music in the hall of schools in Canada etc etc. Furthermore, your insistance in changing the page back to what you wrote has deleted many of the additions we posted this morning. As i said in an earlier note, if you would like to discuss this with me i'm happy to. Cheers and thanks for being so interested in Bryan. Where are you based? Michelle

These are not my facts; these were written by somebody else. Again, I am not saying that they are true; however, the nature of Wikipedia is that effectively, people making edits should justify them. (Note that it's not just me who's reverting; other people were reverting your edits as well because you were not justifying them; now that you've given an explanation, as far as I'm concerned, this is sufficient. I don't know if other people agree, however.)  And note that these reversions came as a result of your repeated failure to justify the edits despite calls for you to justify them. I have no interest in representing whether those things happened or not; that's outside my scope of knowledge. But please try to understand Wikipedia a bit better before you claim that these were my facts, in particular. --Nlu 11:05, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Dear whoever you are,

Do you work for wikipedia? Who are you? I never noticed the part of the site where you or / someone had asked for an explanation or justification until today. i'm not that technical, but i'm learning...fast. Moreover, you were the only one as far as i can see that was insisting on my justification, and if these were not "your facts" and you had no interest in representing whether they happened or not, then what do you care if the changes were made? If you are so concerned with the facts being correct then you should have researched them before you continually re-posted them. Anyway, all is understood. Regards Michelle

I don't work for Wikipedia. In fact, I don't think anyone works for Wikipedia. I'm just an interested user. For the history of the page (at which, if you have time to dig through the history of the page to see who added the allegations that you removed), click on "history" on top of the page.

But why I care if changes are made is that it is considered rude to remove facts withtout a good reason to -- and, with you repeatedly doing it from anonymous IPs, it made the changes themselves highly suspicious as vandalism. Take a look at what sometimes happens that vandals do -- for example, the history of the page Michael Jordan, a frequent target for vandals -- and you'll see that your behavior appeared suspicious.

Don't act as a bull in a china shop. If you're going to utilize Wikipedia as a new user, welcome, but don't act as if you exist outside the protocol that exists on Wikipedia. Read the policies. --Nlu 15:56, 20 September 2005 (UTC)


 * To the anon poster:
 * Please read Cite sources. It's not enough simply to remove material without explanation, and then claim to have some position that gives you authority.  Whatever your position, you need to say why you're removing the information. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 18:06, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

edits to BA page
Hi

I am consitantly removeing references to work done previous to BA's musical history because it is factually incorrect. ie: BA did not play music in any schools in Canada, and did not live in France for several years.

Whoever keeps putting these notes up, please respect my letter and changes, as I work with BA everyday.

Thank you very much!

Michelle Booth info@bryanadams.com

I object to the characterization you made on User_talk:Mel_Etitis that I am "cyber-attacking" you. As I noted above, you're the one who comes in here and make what appeared to be suspicious changes. I only hope that Mr. Adams doesn't share your manners. --Nlu 01:11, 21 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid that making edits on the basis that you know best isn't acceptable here. Can you provide some evidence for your assertions?  There are a few Wikipedia articles on people whom I know personally (and one on me); I can't edit them on the basis of personal knowledge (see No original research &mdash; I have to provide citations like anyone else. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:05, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

you are reposting incorrect information. if you read the rules of wikipedia you will notice that this qualifies as vandalism. please respect the changes we have made, and if you wish to discuss them further, please contact me directly at info@bryanadams.com thank you michelle

Michelle
I emailed Michelle on info_at_bryanadams.com and she confirmed that it was her who made the changes to the article. It's the official site and, yes, she is the real McCoy. Mel should back down and let Michelle have the last word on this one.

Unfortunatelly, Mel will not do this; not because he's stubborn and not because he disagrees, but because he gets a kick from:

1. Pissing people off; and

2. Angering and upsetting people.

Sorry, Michelle, but this guy is a lost cause. You're not the first user to have your words ripped apart by him. More info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anittas#Mel_Etitis

--Anittas 18:04, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

And because Michelle is Bryan's asssitant, and because she can prove it, she should be counted as a source. --Anittas 18:29, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Michelle: response
Setting hysterical adolescents aside: Michelle, if you open an editing account (free, easy, no strings) your edits can be tracked, and people can reply to you on your personal Talk page rather than here. Then, no matter where you're editing from, and what IP address you use, you'll always have the same editing name and page.

I hope that my explanation was clear concerning our policies on original research and the citing of sources. If you're right, then there will surely be some way of demonstrating that &mdash; some source (preferably on-line, but a book or other printed material would do) to which you can point. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 18:24, 21 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for giving the source. Could you give the details here, and I'll add them to a sources section in the article (the edit summary is a bit confusing; is it an anthology edited by someone, or a book called "Anthology" written by someone?). --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 10:30, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi Mel, thanks for your suggestion of opened an editing account. Anthology is available this month through Amazon.com with an essay by Dave Marsh of Rolling Stone Magazine. Thanks again for your help. Michelle &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Michelle1 (talk &bull; contribs) 23:10, 22 September 2005.


 * My pleasure. I've left a message on your User talk page. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:50, 23 September 2005 (UTC)


 * A search on "bryan adams", and "andrew catlin" produced only a 1995 book; adding "anthology" or "dave marsh" produced nothing relevant. What we need are the title, author (or editor), and ISBN if possible. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 13:01, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Create a separate listing where?
Honestly, I don't think that we need to create a disambig page for "Bryan Adams" as the singer is by far the most notable Bryan Adams, but if someone types "Bryan Adams" into wikipedia looking for the hockey player, they need to be directed to the right place. In your revert, you said that I should create a sparate listing. Where do you suggest I create that separate listing? Many other pages have the "others" mentioned at the top of the page. Look at National Hockey League. It has three "others" mentioned at the top. Why should Bryan Adams be any different than many other pages? I am putting Bryan Adams (hockey player) back at the top of this page. If you have a better solution, please tell me. I am open to other solutions. Masterhatch 17:19, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Edge of A Dream
According to Adams took part in writing song Edge of A Dream, which he performs along with Helen Hoffner on her album Wild About Nothing. Someone with better knownledge on the subject could add a note to the article. Maybe to "Songs written for other artists"-section? --Easyas12c 01:51, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Sectioning
I've done some work to improve the sectioning of this article, so that sections have the right content in them and flow in a reasonable order, both within sections and overall. I haven't added or removed any significant content, just better arranged it. Wasted Time R 23:23, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Italics
I did some italics on some of the titles hope this is ok. I would like to do the rest if ok.-- Shella ° 22:47, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Recent picture?
If anyone has a recent picture of Bryan Adams, could you please upload it? The current one looks pretty old. Bakahito 17:52, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Genre
Sorry, i listen to Adams' music a lot but his music style has evolved a lot throughout the years, what genres can he be catergeorized in besides rock? --Bakahito 18:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

North Vancouver Residence
To add a bit more about Bryan's life in British Columbia specifically. It is interesting that he received the Order of British Columbia but no mention of the period of his life that he spent there. Can anyone fill in the specific dates? I'd be interested. Thanks, WIKIPEDIAVI 16:24, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Early Life Edit

 * "At the time Adams' music career was starting, he was residing in North Vancouver, British Columbia."

Michelle1 I noted that this was removed as 'repeated information'. Can you direct me to the location on the page which this statement repeats? When I first edited it, I did not see any reference to Bryan's life in the Vancouver area. (and I still don't). I beleived that Bryan was still living in North Vancouver at the time he was starting to enjoy his early success. I found it interesting that none of this was mentioned in the article. WIKIPEDIAVI 16:58, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Paco Rabanne
I don't see any covereage of the song he wrote for Paco Rabanne. I'm hesitant to add it myself as I don't know what year it was done. scarecroe 23:26, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Odd Recordings
There are several songs that should be added to the "Odd Recordings" section, however, I don't know their release dates: Hero1701 15:32, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Crei morir e ir al cielo (Thought I'd Died And Gone To Heaven - Spanish)
 * (Todo Lo Que Hago) Lo Hago Por Ti (Everything I Do - Spanish)
 * Io Vivo (I'm Ready - Italian)
 * never heard of those, are they really sung by BA?--Bakahito 14:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. 88.108.139.208 22:34, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Todo lo que hago lo hago por ti on youtube (albeit with anime video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgneIoX_R-w --Redbullmarky 11:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Early Years
Maybe this is trivial, but shouldn't it be mentioned that in Bryan's early career he was in Sweeney Todd? He replaced Nick Gilder. Just thought that might be worth mentioning.


 * Yes, it should. This page contains a very poor description of Adams' life and career.  88.108.177.37 00:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've just added a single sentence to the article about his 1977 membership in Sweeney Todd Dzubint 19:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I added the sentence: "Bryan was briefly a member of Sweeney Todd in 1977, replacing vocalist Clark Perry for their If Wishes Were Horses album.", but then User:Michelle1 decided that was Spam and took it out. I've put it back in again, but I expect she'll take it out again and I don't care enough argue about it. So maybe someone else can revisit it in the future. Michelle: if you are reading this, would you care to comment here ? Dzubint 15:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Anyone know where Bryan Adams spent his childhood? The biography says he traveled with his diplomatic parents in Europe and the Middle East. What countries did he live in exactly and when?? Maybe I've come across him and I don't know it!

Summer of 69
I'm not 100% sure about this but isn't "summer of 69" perhaps his biggest hit. It's not mentioned anywhere in the article Canking 20:23, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Looking at single sales, his biggest hit is (Everything I Do) I Do It for You. But i agree that Summer of '69 is also worth mentioning in the article. You can try to fit it in. Pardy 14:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC).


 * Thank you. As a minor fan, it was just something that had caught my attention when reading through the article. I actually am not familiar enough with his work to know where to put it in exactly so maybe it would be best left to somebody a little more knowledgable. Canking 01:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Princess Di
In the article on Princess Diana, Bryan Adams is listed (and linked) in a list of puted paramours of the Princess. I haven't a clue whether that's true of false, and I don't care, so I have made no edits. However, the left hand should deal with what the right hand writes in an encyclopedia, so either this article, that article, or both need revision. Michelle can help by providing the 'official line' from Mr. Adams's side. Lamabillybob 02:27, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * There were rumours that they had a relationship. Anyway, whether it's true or false, the 'official line' is bound to be "no".  Hero1701 23:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)