Talk:Bubblegum Crisis

The name
Does anybody know the basis behind the name of the series? Weren't there a bunch of novels written about its background story? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.77.232.145 (talk) 10:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

The name is explained in the current FAQ. I'm not aware of any BGC novel series. 76.10.158.32 (talk) 12:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Lesbianism
I have removed the text regarding Sylia's lesbianism, as I can find no real evidence within the series regarding it. While she showed concern about Priss' condition, it was no more than one friend would show another. I am interested, of course, in hearing substantiating information regarding it, but I think that we really cannot say anything beyond "She doesn't much like Fargo's approach in BGC 8", and, "She has shown concern for Priss on a regular basis". Given Priss' behaviour, I don't blame her.

It is a wonder why Sylia was thought to be a lesbian, when it seems to me that Priss was the most likely lesbian of the show. Though it was never said, her relationship with the 33-s "sexeroid" model boomer seemed a little... close. Of course they could just be freinds, however some of the other Knight Sabers reacted very strangly to Priss and the 33-s's relationship.

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This has been a long-running question about the series. Unfortunately there is no real evidence in the series itself to support the claims by some fans. Any innuendo in the dialog or actions of the characters in question is so subtle as to be ambiguous at best. This ambiguity also means we are never really presented with any evidence to the contrary either. The character Priss is clearly pursued in a romantic way by ADP Detective Leon McNichol (he asks her blatantly to go out on a date). Though Priss initially rejects Leon's offer she is heard to speak favourably about Leon at the end of episode 6 when Largo is killed by Leon's ever-amazing skill with a handgun. But a romantic relationship never actually takes form by the end of the series so the viewer is left perpetually to wonder. As for Priss's relationship with Sylvie the 33-S sexaroid, again the two characters share scenes where they could *seem* to be closer than friends, but a romantic relationship never takes a recognizable or definitive shape, and the viewer is left forever to ponder the truth on their own. Is Sylia a lesbian? This question echoes a line from the movie Blade Runner, where the replicant Rachel (who does not know her true nature at the time) is asked a sexually provocative question during a demonstration of the Voight-Kampf test which is designed to differentiate humans from replicants. Indignant, she responds like a human might, with sarcasm. She asks Detective Deckard if the Voight-Kampf test is designed to detect if she is a replicant, or a lesbian. The sarcastic response, not typical of an artificial lifeform, makes Deckard's job of deriving her true nature more difficult. So the question of whether she is a lesbian or not runs parallel to the question of whether she is a replicant or not. Considering Toshimichi Suzuki's (creator of BGC) borrowing of ideas and character names/traits from Blade Runner he most likely used the character Rachel to help create the aura of mystery that surrounds the Sylia, the end result of which, like Rachel, provides us with parallel questions about Sylia's nature, but unlike Rachel, are never definitively answered.--Dr Raven 03:16, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Bubblegum Pop
Is there any relationship between the name of this series and the musical genre of Bubblegum Pop? If so, it would be a good idea to include a link, but while the relationship is logical, I have no documentation that the name of the series was chosen on that basis or not.


 * As far as I'm aware, the use of "bubblegum" is used in reference to how a situation can grow and eventually explode like blown bubblegum.


 * I always wondered whether it was meant to mean "this is a show about ass-kicking"; a reference to "I came here to chew bubblegum and kick ass...". --DocumentN 05:44, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Mason & Largo Theory
Added link to Mason/Largo Theory webpage for details on how Mason may have transferred his consciousness to Largo.--Dr Raven 03:30, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Pictures
Can we have some pictures for this article please? I'm not an anime fan so I wouldn't know which ones would be appropriate but an article with pictures always looks nicer. Just a though. :-) --Gaurav Arora Talk 18:15, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

K- 11
I've done a minor edit on the K-11 section, but could other interested parties have a look through and make some further corrections? It is not up to the standard of the rest of the article, and I don't have enough time to fix it entirely myself [though I suppose I could manage a little bit a day]

BrianD

Alright, I've done some more edits on the K-11 section, but if you spot anything that needs further work, please fix it up.

BrianD

Production/Distribution backgrounds?
The original production/distribution was from Toshiba-EMI; Licenced by TOEMI for distribution in the United States by AnimEigo. Just dug this info through a bunch of LaserDiscs sitting about, heh. Not sure how that will all go in or much to elaborate on, but someone can. Jedo1507r 05:50, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I remember seeing a promo for BGC that featured a different title, apparently to market it to potential English-speaking licensees. Its on one of Cornpone's Bad American Dubbing compilations, something very cheezy futurism, like "TECHNOSQUADRON". Not exactly that, but that sort of thing.

the former licensing corporation GaGa Communications produced a demo reel tape in the late 80s that contained trailers for anime intended to be licensed in America (ie attract buyers). BGC was one of them, renamed 'Futurescape'. Among other titles included on that tape were ones like Project A-ko (Supernova), Madox O1 (Thunder Warrior), and MD Geist. the Knight Sabers were referred to as 'The Knight Saviors' in the video. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gavv71 (talk • contribs) 23:12, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Bubblegum Crisis 2030
I've seen Bubblegum Crisis refered to Bubblegum Crisis 2030, should this be included as an alternate title or has someone incorrectly used this. - Jedaz 03:09, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I have rarely seen that title usage in the fandom; normally, I see either Bubblegum Crisis OAV (or abbreviated BGC OAV), or just Bubblegum Crisis, with 2040 used to denote the later TV series. --Wbd 22:44, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I have seen the OAV series retroactively called BGC 2032, to contrast it with 2040. Either way, it's just a fan nickname. Reverend Raven 03:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

K-12 Suit
I have begun to clean up this section, but any help would be appreciated. Also, would the creator of this and the K-11 section please conduct a little more editing before submission? The section, as it currently stands, doesn't meet the standards we should be trying to meet.

--Wbd 22:44, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Merger
I oppose a merger of this page with the Bubblegum Crisis 2040 page. They are very much different series, and share very little in common. It would end up making a large and contradictory page, and as such would not be a positive development.

Bubblegum Crisis was a self-contained series run from 1987 to 1991, whereas Bubblegum Crisis 2040 was run in 1998. A viewer would be quick to note that they are not the same, and as such should not share an article.

For example, a merger would mean that each main character would have two separate descriptions, or they'd need a title associated with each [eg. Nene2040, Nene2032].

--Wbd 15:27, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. Two different series, two different pages. --Cattus 00:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * If no one disagrees, I'll remove the merger notice on May 12, which should give any late commenters time to come in and state one way or the other, but I suspect that the general consensus will be to not merge the articles, if my assessment of the fandom [composed of those people who are most familiar with the two series] is correct. --Wbd 14:08, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Alt.fan.bgcrisis
I think this article on BGC would be completely remiss without mention of the alt.fan.bgcrisis Usenet group. Surely at least some of the American fanbase can be attributed the discussion of the series from this group. They consulted some of the regulars when they wrote the sourcebooks for the BGC RPG, so I'd figure inclusion on the Wikipedia would be a must. Reverend Raven 03:30, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. What sort of things were you thinking of adding (beyond what you've mentioned)? Fortunately, most will be easy to source, thanks to Google Groups. --Wbd 14:19, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hm. Maybe something on when and who founded the group (Ben Cantrick I think, when alt.fan.priss-and-the-replicants wasn't carried on most Usenet servers to technical constraints), the longevity of the group and it's affect on the series' fandom, maybe some of projects that was produced from members of the group that relates to the series (Unagi's BGC mods, such as the Duke Nukem 3D mod "Priss Nukem" immediately comes to mind). Maybe even a mention of Kris Overstreet and his now infamous Bubblegum Pink: Raging Fires lemon. Oh! The article gives the link for the Brian J. Mason/Largo theory, which most certainly originated in alt.fan.bgcrisis.


 * But yeah, obviously it wouldn't be a large section, but I strong feel that something like this stuff should be included, just due to the group's history on the franchise. Reverend Raven 23:58, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Good idea. I'll start thinking about how to organize the section. It is a significant one, and I agree that it should be mentioned.


 * My only concern about fan created mods (even though I created the Duchess Romanova 3d one, and wouldn't mind a mention in Wikipedia) is that I worry that they don't meet the notability requirements that Wikipedia expects. Perhaps just a note regarding fan-created content and how it was disseminated using alt.fan.bgcrisis would be best, without getting into specifics.


 * --Wbd 14:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Woah, you created Duchess Romanova? Oh wow, nifty keen (btw, I would love to get another copy of that mod. Props on ya buddy!). Anyways, about the notability..I honestly can't see anything wrong with a brief mention of the mods. They directly releate not only to the article at hand, but also to the alt.fan.bgcrisis subsection as well. The mods themselves are not only a part of the history of the franchise, they're a testiment to the fanbase. Plus I remember them, so that's gotta count for something right? ;) On that note, let me go on record as being absolutely shocked that in this day and age, no one has made a four play co-op game based on BGC. Reverend Raven 21:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank-you for the kind words. As for newer games, I sorta turned over more to regular art after making that mod (and, to be honest, was a bit frustrated about how my mod never really got noticed, despite leading the way on many features in the BGC mod community, like full animation, weapon switching and .con modding). This is getting off-topic, however, so it may be best take this to e-mail for further discussion of it.


 * I still worry about the notability factor, but a brief mention would probably be suitable, if backed up in an appropriate fashion with citations that show their importance in the fan-community. The same would likely go with the rest of the fan-related items, but I still feel we must strive to not let that section become over-large or dominant.


 * I think that the fan community that sprung up around the translated anime series of the early ninties was an important and interesting one with respect to the growth of anime viewing in North America, but I need to figure out a good way to express that in an encyclopedic fashion.


 * Oops. Forgot to sign.


 * --Wbd 19:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Megatokyo
It's been admitted by both Fred Gallagher and Rodney Caston that the title Megatokyo AND the character name Largo are references to Bubblegum Crisis. While other than a few other minor similarities the two series have nothing whatsoever to do with one another, saying that Megatokyo's name has nothing to do with Bubblegum Crisis is simply incorrect. It's a homage, of sorts.

Also, we now have a reference for this from Fred Gallagher's Twitter. --Nat (talk) 18:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

"Afro-American Chief"?
Chief Todo

The Afro-American Chief of the AD Police

The term "Afro-American" is inaccurate. Todo isn't African-American - he's black, but he's not American. Clearly he's living in Japan, and since no reference is made to his country of origin, we can't make a decisive classification like "African-American". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.235.217.71 (talk) 19:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC).


 * Without wanting to cause trouble, I suspect the phrase 'African-American' was input to cater for the American market - they are the only people [I know of] who insist that any Americans of negroid extraction MUST be African-Americans, irrespective of actual origins or accuracy of the term.
 * 193.243.227.1 (talk) 16:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

K-Series Armor Debate
The following section is blatant Original research, and does not conform to the standards of Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style for Anime articles (or articles in general period). Furthermore, it is not compliant with Reliable sources. Provide reasons as to why this should be included in the article, when they play little to no impact in the series itself. The only valid arguement I could see is if it is included as one of the inadequacies of the AD Police, but beyond that, it is a hyper fancruft.--293.xx.xxx.xx 12:15, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't believe that this section constitutes original research, as it seems to have been derived partly from watching the series, and mostly from the BGC RPG book's description of the two powered suits. The RPG book should be considered a reliable source for the purposes of this entry. A few source citations added would help to clear matters up.


 * I'm not sure why you are referring to it as "fancruft", however- isn't the purpose of Wikipedia to house information? Is there some hard limit on filesize that I was not previously aware of? If there are Pokemon entries for pretty much every pokemon, and Gundam has entries for a considerable number of Gundam suits, then I don't see why a review of powered armor used in the Bubblegum Crisis universe is out of place. If anything, this section should be expanded to include information on the Knight Saber's Hardsuits and Genom's Boomers.


 * --Wbd 15:26, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Since the materials are all either derived from direct references made in the OVA or from the semi-official contents of the RPG sourcebooks, they do not qualify as OR.
 * If anything, the information about powered armor in BGC should be moved to a separate article titled "List of mecha in Bubblegum Crisis" and subsequently expanded to cover other mecha of the setting. --The Fifth Horseman (talk) 14:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

K-11 Combat Armor
The K-11 series of powered armor units was developed by the military, but has since been purchased and employed by policing organizations in order to combat the growing Boomer problems. The ADP utilized the K-11 for operations against more powerful and dangerous boomers, such as the Bu-12b, which is a full combat model. The K-11 was eventually replaced with the improved K-12S model.

Noted by the USSD as inferior to the Knight Saber's hard suits, the K-11 was introduced to the viewers in the first episode, though only via a line-art diagram displayed on a monitor.

The K-11 makes its return in episode 3 of the OVA series, where a pair are used to stop a rampaging Bu-12b heavy combat boomer. While both suits were destroyed (and both operators killed), the boomer rampage was halted through their selfless actions. The difficulty of combatting a powerful boomer like the Bu-12b was compounded by the need to minimize collateral damage, as the battle took place in a built-up area.

The K-11 is used in the same way as the Knight Saber's hard suits; a soldier or police officer is inside the armor and the arms and legs of the person are placed in the respective armor parts. This means that the K-11 is directly controlled via the users body &mdash; if the user moves his arm, for example, the armor follows the movement.

K-11 Specifications

The K-11 is equipped with a large conventional rifle, capable of penetrating heavy armor at close range, though its efficacy at longer ranges appeared to be low. It could be considered an autocannon, as the series depicted it discharging at a low, but continuous, rate of fire.

The armor of the K-11 is not proof against the powerful cannon that equips the heavy Bu-12b, but had some resistance versus the associated machine gun, which suggests at least light armor protection.

Equipped with a pair of flight wings (in a back pack) and lift thrusters (mounted in the legs), the K-11 has a hover capability, though not high above the ground, and likely cannot leave ground effect flight. For deployment, it can be air-dropped via transport helicopter, and uses a parachute to slow its descent.

Trivia Both the K-11 and K-12 are listed as based on a powered armor called MADOX (from the anime of the same name), since all three armors share a similar design.

K-12 Battle Trooper
Unlike the K-11 which was built by and for the Military, but later given to police units, the K-12 was developed from the beginning to be a heavy Powered Armor suit built specifically for organizations like the ADP.

The K-12 unit was intended more for a defensive, rather than offensive purpose. This is unlike the K-11, and as such, it has heavier armor and reduced portability/deployabilty. Most notably, it seems to lack the hovering capability that the K-11 possessed.

The K-12 was first introduced at the end of Episode Five, when Detective Leon McNichol tried to stop a military-grade Battle Mover (the DD) with it. The K-12 was no match for the far more powerful DD, and only the timely intervention of the Knight Sabers saved both Leon and the city from disaster.

In Episode 6 the K-12 made another appearance in form of the K-12S, also used by Leon McNicol, and was again in battle versus far more powerful opponents, leading to a predictable defeat despite a valiant effort. It should be noted that even the Knight Sabers encountered great difficulty in defeating the Superboomer foes that the AD Police faced.

The K-12's arms seem to be equipped with machine guns (one artwork shows a triple barreled mini-gun build in each arm). The reason why Leon didn't used these guns against the DD was that he had no ammo for it (one scene shows the armor around the arm closing being empty inside). The K-12 seems to be also equipped with strong thrusters, being able to jump on a very large building or from a helicopter.

speculation
Is Priss modeled after Francoise Hardy? See this image that looks like Priss
 * No proof exists to support or countermand that theory. Consider, however, that as a fictional character Priss doesn't have to be modelled after any real-life person. --217.197.68.83 (talk) 13:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

sound track
i think a referance to the sound track of the show should be included, i personaly enjoyed the insert songs and am some what disheartend that the english soundtrack no longer exists as a seperate recording, as far as sound tracks go it was a ver nice piece of 80's glam rock and pop —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.127.90 (talk) 10:00, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Article already contains the following paragraph: "The music throughout the original OVA series is one of the most recognizable in anime fandom and generates a strong feeling of 1980's nostalgia. The opening song and sequence for the first OVA, as well as many of the other songs throughout the series, clearly draw inspiration from the 1984 movie Streets of Fire." Do you feel it could be expanded or improved upon? If so, how? --The Fifth Horseman (talk) 12:29, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

something regarding the english one would be nice, such as the people who did the english dub covering the songs in english (and very well i might add), and how unfortunatly an english ost no longer exists (the japanese tracks can be still be found but not the english dub versions)

i also think it important to note that most of the cast of the dub were also members of the production team ( ala sussan grillo ) as well as band preformers for the dub songs ( the replicants, a fitting name i thought)

but hey, thats just me - Mr. Deja Vu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.127.90 (talk) 14:21, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Having heard both English and Japanese versions, I'd be happy for no one to ever hear about the English versions. The production values and talent involved in the English version's musical performances were not anywhere near the quality of the Japanese version. IMHO, that was the primary reason why the dubbed version was such a failure in the US. --Uncle Milty (talk) 14:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Etymology of "Boomer"
I was hoping to find a conclusive explanation of the word Boomer (having not viewed the series in some time) which I think maybe is explained in the anime, but anyway it seems like information which would be pertinent to the main article (I checked some of related articles also) because it's a little less obvious than other mecha coinages.

I won't speculate on the derivation because I don't know. Though presumably it's related to "baby boomer" ... meaning either the some line "boomed" at some point, or maybe originally they were created to support an aging baby boomer population (a fairly common mecha trope) --99.197.224.57 (talk) 04:48, 3 January 2011 (UTC)


 * It has nothing to do with baby-boomers. Rather, it has to do with the economic "boom" being experienced by Mega-Tokyo after recovering from the 2nd Kanto Earthquake which happened about 7 years before the series begins. You learn about this in the opening voice-over for Bubblegum Crash. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WikiProject Japan ! 05:50, 3 January 2011 (UTC)


 * US Naval slang uses the term "boomer" to refer to SSBNs (Nuclear missile carrying submarines). Given the US Naval presence in Japan (e.g., Okinawa and Yokusuka) it wouldn't be a huge leap to make the connection between the two incredibly destructive high tech weapon systems (one real, one fictional). --Quartermaster (talk) 19:12, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Improvements to the article:
1. Needs a voice actor section. I may do this when I stop being lazy. It would be a chart format and include both JP and ENG voice actors.

2. More sources. Any sources anyone can find would be great. If anyone finds one, you can just post it here. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:54, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

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