Talk:Bud Powell

Bud Powell
I know that there is a song called Bud Powell, which is composed by Chick Corea and performed by Chick Corea and Gary Burton in Zurich on October 28, 1979. However, I can't find the article about that song, which makes me think that something's missing. NHRHS2010 talk  19:51, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Impartiality?
There is a lot of dispute about how much Bud Powell's 1945 beating affected his behavior; some friends claimed that he was just as difficult before, though it didn't help matters. And it seems unwise to state that "Buttercup didn't have Bud's best interests at heart;" while her dosing of Bud Powell with psychotropic medications is attested to in various accounts, she does have living relatives and she did not leave an account as to her intentions. So I would say that this statement is less than impartial, though overall it's a good piece. Pinikadia--Pinikadia (talk) 05:22, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

More Impartiality
Referring to the beating by the Philadelphia Police to be as a result of disorderly conduct is assumptive. That he was beaten is undeniable; that his actual crime was being a young black man dressed in fine clothes with money in his pocket may also be assumptive, but is equally plausible. This citation needs to be stripped of bias. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.149.63.100 (talk) 16:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Jazz Life 2673211 Germany 1988
Side A recorded at Grughalle, Essen, 1960 (Essen Jazz Festtival). But Side B recorded in Acousti Studio 1964 31 July with Michael Gaudry (bass) and Arthur Taylor (drums) - was this also released elsewhere? Tracks are: In the mood for a classic, John's abbey, Una noche con Francis, Relaxin' at Camarillo, My old flame, Moose the mooche. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:42, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Image
A Google Image search for "Bud Powell" yields 337,000 hits. Surely in that total there might be at least one single image there that might legally be used here? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:54, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

RE: technical musical comments
When it is said that Powell was innovative with the "harmonic series" or harmonic partials, maybe it should say he was playing "outside" the harmony? That might be a better description, if the comment should not simply be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.175.151.48 (talk) 00:35, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

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Discography
I think there should be a seperate page for Bud's discography. It should I think reflect that of Art Tatum because of the sheer amount of work he's produced. Adamilo (talk) 03:46, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Helpful webpage
http://www.wailthelifeofbudpowell.com/powell-chronology/ is a great source for anyone interested in learning more about Bud or editing this article Adamilo (talk) 23:30, 29 May 2020 (UTC)


 * This is a great source for some obscure periods of his life but I would be careful with this one. It is quite subjective, and the language it uses isn't always entirely clear. For example, it says that "Blakey walked off the date" of a 1955 session, completely leaving out that Kenny Clarke took his place the next day (https://www.jazzdisco.org/bud-powell/discography/). While I have used this source when it checks with other sources or no information is available, its subjectivity does need to be noted. --Comment by Selfie City ( talk about my  contributions ) 14:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * As someone mentions below, the book appears to be self-published, which is a problem. See WP:SELFPUBLISH. Is there evidence that the possible exception to the principle of not using such sources applies? "Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established subject-matter expert, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications". It's now used in about 20 places, so we need to sort this out before using it for more things, User:SelfieCity. EddieHugh (talk) 18:39, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I understand these concerns. The problem is that many parts of Powell's life aren't well documented anywhere else. It's clear that Pullman has gone to great effort to gather obscure details of the pianist's life and that these are on the whole accurate. My concern is more with Pullman's bias than the factuality of the source. I'd also note that his book was covered by a number of sources including . Removing information attributed to this source would necessitate removal of important parts of the article. It would be hard to construct an article that flowed without major gaps if his source were to be left out.
 * I'd note that the biographer below is the author of the book. I did not write the book and know no-one involved in its authorship. I haven't even read it, so my information is solely based on the online timeline he posted on that website. --Comment by Selfie City ( talk about my  contributions ) 19:13, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * What I can do, however, is search for other sources in the sections of the article where Wail is cited and add those sources to the article. --Comment by Selfie City ( talk about my  contributions ) 19:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've done this. Most of the instances of this source being used are now supported by a secondary source. However, there are circumstances where that source goes into more detail than other sources I have. --Comment by Selfie City ( talk about my  contributions ) 14:58, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
 * In those cases, I've now removed the self-published source. In all other cases, I've added a tag. Without such tags (and maybe even with them), the information will eventually be repeated by reliable sources, even though it's based on an unreliable source, and then it'll look like the information is reliable... EddieHugh (talk) 21:34, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks for the help! I'll keep searching for better sources. --Comment by Selfie City ( talk about my  contributions ) 16:37, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

COI
Editor, who has edited this article, has told us at WP:Help desk (that link will need to be updated in a few days when the entry gets archived) that he is the author of the biography of Powell cited in the article. I've no doubt that Powell Biographer has put a lot of work into his book and into this article: his book may be a very fine piece of work, but citing one's own work is generally reckoned a COI, and also I have just removed a blatantly promotional sentence about the book from the article. More seriously, the book appears to be self-published, which generally makes it an unreliable source for Wikipedia, and makes Powell biographer's contributions original research as far as Wikipedia is concerned. I have no knowledge of the subject, and have no wish to go wading into editing this article. But perhaps somebody with some knowledge about it can find other sources for the information cited to Wail - maybe working with Powell biographer to cite the sources cited in the book. --ColinFine (talk) 21:36, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ColinFine:

I hope to resolve the matter before us to your satisfaction. That is, I would like to have the banner that now appears at the top of the Bud Powell page removed. (I continue to have trouble understanding how to move about Wikipedia's user pages; I'm not confident, e.g., that these words will be seen by you or by anyone else who chooses to get involved in the matter.)

I submit one contribution to this discussion, coming as it does from someone whom I don't know. I read it as I clicked from page to page, hoping to learn how to get the banner removed:

http://www.wailthelifeofbudpowell.com/powell-chronology/ is a great source for anyone interested in learning more about Bud or editing this article Adamilo (talk) 23:30, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Elsewhere I saw a reference to The Complete Bud Powell on Verve, a five-CD set.

That chronology, which is the source for many of the facts on the Powell page - as well as that CD set - is entirely my work. (The latter was cited by NARAS with a nomination for Best Liner Notes of 1994.) I constructed the chronology over the fifteen years that I spent in researching my book. Its findings have been accepted by the author of the University of Pennsylvania Press-issued Powell biography, by all authors of magazine articles, by all scholars in the field, and by Tom Lord, whose discography is the standard for jazz discography online.Powell biographer (talk) 10:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Per above, your book is self-published, so for the long term record &mdash; as it doesn't seem like your account is currently active &mdash; if we can find any other sources of information for citations that currently go to Wail, we should cite those sources instead. --Comment by Selfie City ( talk about my  contributions ) 16:38, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

"He let the demons in" video
Hello, I just wanted to note that a video on YouTube has used much of my wording, particularly regarding the asylum and the poem "Eternity". I don't have a problem with this, but given the video was published a week ago, I want to be clear that the video's creator used content from this article, not the other way around. --Comment by Selfie City ( talk about my  contributions ) 20:57, 2 March 2024 (UTC)