Talk:Business career of Mitt Romney

Discussion about need for article
This is an unneeded fork, mostly created from existing content available in other articles. It should be put up for deletion. Cwobeel (talk) 22:54, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've made all the article edits so far, and will try to respond to your objection. I do not believe this is a "fork".  It does use considerable material from each of three different articles: Mitt Romney, Bain Capital, and Bain & Company.  Plus there is additional new material added, and more to come.  I think that someone looking for material about Romney's business career should not have to dig through multiple different articles to find it, and then when they find it there is already some repetition that they will have to sift through.  Of course, there are already sub-articles about Romney, such as Governorship of Mitt Romney, and this one fits in nicely.  This article was absolutely not created to avoid neutral point of view guidelines, or to highlight negative or positive viewpoints or facts.  [Subsequent comment: I've now added quite a bit of new material, and expect to add more.]71.88.58.198 (talk) 02:55, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * In general this is replication of a lot of other articles, but at the same time I agree that it is not a bad idea to have his business career in one place. That said, I see this article with the potential for being a WP:COAT.  I removed the scrutiny of his business career because it included a bunch of 2012 presidential election tax issues and other aspects not related to his business career.  By it's defintion, the article should end with the end of his business career.  Arzel (talk) 01:33, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to have to disagree with you there, Arzel, for a couple reasons. First, you'll see that the "Business career" section of the main Mitt Romney article contains much of the material you deleted. Second, even if we put aside what the main article does, you've deleted stuff like this:

Bain Capital has publicly asserted that 80% of their 350 companies and 100 start-up investments grew as a result of Bain investments.[101] According to former President Bill Clinton, speaking in 2012, Romney "had a sterling business career."[102] In contrast, other political opponents have characterized him as a corporate buyout specialist who bankrupted companies and laid off workers, while pocketing a profit for himself and investors.[102] As for Romney himself, he said in 2007, "Sometimes the medicine is a little bitter but it is necessary to save the life of the patient. My job was to try and make the enterprise successful, and in my view the best security a family can have is that the business they work for is strong."[11] To counter assertions by President Obama that he is a greedy businessman, Romney launched a website in August 2012 to defend his business career.[101]

As a result of his business career, Romney and his wife have a net worth of between $190 and $250 million, most of it held in blind trusts since 2003.[92][103] An additional blind trust exists in the name of the Romneys' children and grandchildren that was valued at between $70 and $100 million as of 2007.[104][105] Like many previous presidential candidates who have released tax returns, Romney has also done so, though not to the extent that his critics have requested.[106][107][108] Romney has tithed to the LDS Church, including stock from Bain Capital holdings.[109][110][111]

This seems perfectly legit for an article like this, and I don't think it's necessary to delete from this Wikipedia article every word uttered after 2002. You'll find, for example, that many of the footnoted articles are dated long after 2002.71.88.58.198 (talk) 01:51, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * This has nothing to do with his business career, it is clearly related to his 2012 presidential election and personal wealth. This article is boardline replication of a ton of stuff already, there is no reason to include a POV fork as well.  Arzel (talk) 02:06, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You don't think that Bill Clinton saying that Romney had a "sterling business career" is relevant to a Wikipedia article about Romney's business career? Arzel, my pal, please explain.  Thanks.71.88.58.198 (talk) 02:09, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw you adding stuff specifically relevent to the 2012 presidential election and sense a content fork to shoehorn a bunch of not really relevent to his career. I think if you want to include the stuff from his business career that is fine, but when you start including 2012 presidential election politicking you stray from a neutral presentation to one that is trying to include politicking, and I really hate to see WP being used for promoting political positions during the election season.  Arzel (talk) 04:27, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I see why you might have been concerned. My goal here is neutral info, so I welcome your concerns.  Cheers.71.88.58.198 (talk) 04:52, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I take back what I said at the top of this thread, seeing that there is considerable new material being added. Cwobeel (talk) 14:47, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

The Federal Bailout That Saved Mitt Romney
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-federal-bailout-that-saved-mitt-romney-20120829

Cwobeel (talk) 04:44, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Also: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829 Cwobeel (talk) 04:45, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but those two articles are already in the footnotes. Take a look.24.181.178.235 (talk) 04:52, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Readership stats
Since article was created (nine days): So it doesn't really matter what's in this subarticle, as no one is clicking through to it. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:37, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Mitt Romney: 570,622 views
 * Bain Capital: 56,882 views
 * Bain & Company: 15,635 views
 * Business career of Mitt Romney: 1,660 views

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