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DYK for Day-Timer
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DYK for National War Fund
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DYK for New York City Tribune
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DYK for 1978 New York City newspaper strike
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Hillary Clinton article
I know you got it to FAC a long time ago, what do you think about this? (t &#183; c)  buidhe  07:34, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:JohnMcCainSegments
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DYK for Third session of the United Nations General Assembly
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DYK for Indigo Swing
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DYK for Joining Forces
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Alaska Barnstar

 * Thanks very much, it is appreciated!  Wasted Time R (talk) 00:04, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

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DYK for Concurrent Computer Corporation
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Nomination of The Daily Voice (African-American news website) for deletion
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DYK for Brassey's
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DYK for Helen Hadsell
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Made it
Thanks for seeing the Helen Hadsell article through at DYK and for contributing balance. It made it to the main page largely based on your balancing edits. Bruxton (talk) 17:21, 4 June 2022 (UTC)


 * And thanks to you for starting it and being open to it being expanded/reshaped. It does seem to have caught a little flak at WP:ERRORS though.  Wasted Time R (talk) 20:45, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Just goes to show the ones I think are can't miss, get punked. Glad it got sorted. Bruxton (talk) 22:39, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Biden Foundation
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DYK for Betts, Hall, Leavell and Trucks
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I am a bit sad of what became of your hook idea, but fighting the purists at ERRORS would have been a waste of time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:26, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the thought. I was away and missed it, but have now gone back in the ERRORS history and seen what happened. They misunderstood what the unusual aspect of the hook was. And if they went with the hook they used, they should have given the full group name instead of the abbreviation, as the well-known names contrasting with not getting a recording contract would have been more hookier.  If I had been around I would have argued against it, but like you say, it can be hard to prevail there.  Wasted Time R (talk) 11:10, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I know too well, but I rescued today's hook at least. I had been so busy that I missed the ALT by someone else completely until I saw it in prep. Too much in real life, or I might have caught "yours" as well. Thinking of a requiem beginning about now, - what are our small concerns when it comes to life and death? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:55, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Just curious
For years the entry for Priscilla Johnson McMillan had been flimsy and uneven. What inspired you to do the deep dive and get it to GA status? Just curious. 76.116.119.251 (talk) 16:20, 11 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Read parts of her book on Oppenheimer, was impressed by the research that went into it, looked up her background, started finding news pieces about her unusual/interesting/ahead-of-her-times life, one thing led to another as it often does with Wikipedia contributors. Wasted Time R (talk) 21:32, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

A Question
In your old photo of you listening to James Taylor's "Carolina On My Mind" from his Live album on cassette when you're driving through the Virgina-North Carolina border, what car are you being driven in? I like to know. TrentJ98 (talk) 09:51, 16 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Pontiac Bonneville rental car. Wasted Time R (talk) 14:51, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Werner J. Dannhauser
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DYK for Harris Computer Systems
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Redirects, broadcast stations
Hey,

I saw your revert of some of the changes I made on Columbia Lectures in International Studies and wanted to respond to your statements on redirects.

Broadcast stations, for reasons that are especially prevalent in radio but also worth keeping in mind in TV, are an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN that is enshrined in that guidance: Radio and TV station call letters, since call letters given up by one station can be used later by a different station. This is because we reserve primary topic status for the current user of a call sign when one exists. I'm astonished WTVP-TV still redirected to WAND (TV) after all these years as the type of error someone could reasonably make in looking for WTVP.

I don't mind listing a link like "WNBC-TV (channel 4)" or, if disambiguation is needed from another station that later used the call sign in the same general area, through-linking the parenthetical or frequency, such as "WWJ-TV (channel 4)", "KTAR-FM 98.7", or "WBML (1240 AM)". The latter is standard practice for me in this type of situation. However, I do suggest avoiding redirects (and capitalization of "channel" mid-sentence).

Thanks for keeping the Metromedia change, by the way. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:52, 28 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I knew some of the NOTBROKEN exceptions but not that one. I understand its rational for radio stations, not sure about tv stations, but it's there.  So I have now restored the redirect bypasses that you put in.
 * As for capitalizing 'Channel' in running text, I feel strongly that this is appropriate. They are effectively proper nouns representing the name of a station, not just short-hand for a broadcast frequency.  The NYT stories that are used as sources in this article consistently capitalize it, both when used after the call sign, as in "... over WNEW-TV (Channel 5) beginning ...", and when used stand-alone, as in "... stimulating start last night over Channel 5" or "... the advent next fall of Channel 13 will have ...".  I also feel strongly that stations are best identified to readers by the combination of call sign and channel.  If you ask a New York tv viewer of this era what station had Sandy Becker or Wonderama, they would say Channel 5 not WNEW, and if you asked them what the main educational/public station was, they would say Channel 13 not WNET (and surely not WNDT).
 * As for Metropolitan Broadcasting versus Metromedia, the majority of sources I used here actually said Metropolitan Broadcasting. I think that's because it was still in use as a broadcasting system name, even if it wasn't the corporate name after 1961.  However some of the sources I used here said Metromedia, so it wasn't consistent.  So I can live with either arrangement.  Wasted Time R (talk) 00:59, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I think the "channel" versus "Channel" thing would be a good WT:MOS question, actually. I don't like it personally, but I do hear where you're coming from, especially given that newspapers used this as their style for a long time. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 03:09, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Mike Goodman
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GA review of Washington County Closed-Circuit Educational Television Project
I'm contacting you here rather than the review page because I don't want to pile on and/or interfere with your efforts to actually help that article's editor improve the article. So, this is just to say that I took a quick look and noticed some phrasing that immediately struck me as odd, specifically, ending a sentence with "certain important things", which is what a person might say in a quote as their brain summarizes but does not specify something, but not what you'd write from scratch in an encyclopedia article. So I looked at the linked sources around that text and found the following close paraphrasing, some of which is close enough that I would ordinarily report the two or three paragraphs I looked at for copyvio RD1 after removal/rewrite (and check the entire remainder of the article, of course). Some examples below. I have almost no experience with the GA review process, but I do spend some of my editing time on copyvio cleanup. So I hope that you'll take these observations into account as you work with the editor. I do genuinely appreciate and admire your willingness to put in the time to improve the article. Indignant Flamingo (talk) 21:32, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Our article: The Washington County Closed-Circuit Educational Television Project was not intended to take over the whole school day.Source: Superintendent of Schools William M. Brish emphasized that the television lessons were never intended to take over the whole school day for students.
 * Our article: Television lessons were intended to augment the regular school lessons and accomplish certain important things.Source: However, he said, if television education is used during part of the school day, it makes possible the accomplishments of certain important things.
 * Our article: The studio teachers were recruited from the county regular teachers.Source: Studio teachers were recruited almost entirely from the ranks of county teachers.
 * Our article: The studio teachers worked as a team with the regular school room teachers in each subject area for the curriculum of televised instruction.Source: The studio teachers work as a team with classroom teachers in each subject area in planning the curriculum of televised instruction...
 * Our article: Each televised lesson that the students watched was followed up by a regular school room teacher whose knowledge of the subject was par with the studio teacher so that the pupils' questions were answered correctly and laboratory work was done properly.Source: Each televised lesson is followed up by a classroom teacher whose knowledge of the subject must be on a par with the studio teacher so that questions are answered accurately, testing is effective, and laboratory work and drill is done properly.


 * Thanks for the look at it and informing me of what you've found. Yes, in starting the content part of the review I too happened to spot "certain important things", and also "books, filmstrips, and other tools" from the same source isn't paraphrased quite enough.  I also saw "not intended to take over the whole school day" but decided that one was borderline acceptable.  The other instances you list I didn't see; they are over the line and the last one is way way over it.


 * I've done a few GA reviews of this nominator's articles in the past and I'm familiar with some of the non-copyvio-related observations made of him at ANI – floods the queue with simultaneous nominations, is anxious to get through the review process as fast as possible, doesn't communicate well, won't help out by doing reviews himself. Nonetheless the whole thing made me feel bad – he does pick some interesting topics that would otherwise be overlooked/forgotten in the modern online world and he does do appreciable amounts of research.  So I decided I would try to review this one.  We'll see how it goes, and thanks again.  Wasted Time R (talk) 23:25, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

September music
Thank you for DYK reviewing! The rose pic was taken on 11 Sep 2021, and this year was full of music that day, Tag des offenen Denkmals, not only singing in church and rehearsals for Verdi's Requiem, but two concerts at special places pictured, one a synagogue (pictured on its wall). Today three DYK: a piece we'll perform on Sunday, a violinist we heard in June playing the Berg Concerto (my brother played in the orchestra), and a Youth Orchestra shaped by a conductor who recently died. Almost too much of a good thing. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 14 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Impressive set of DYKs and a nice set of performance-and-venue photos to go along with the day. Wasted Time R (talk) 21:39, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * thank you! - and today I wrote an article about music premiered today, Like as the hart. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:18, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * travel and strings sound --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:02, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Columbia Lectures in International Studies
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October 2022
From your edit history, it looks like you occassionally have possible interest in political biography articles. For the past several months, I've been editing the president's article for James Madison, and thought to ask you if this would be of sufficient interest for you to look at. After my successful GAN promotion for it, there are now another two positive peer reviews as well. Any interest for you to possibly be a co-nominator for a FAC nomination for this political biography article? ErnestKrause (talk) 13:13, 22 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I've gone ahead with the FAC nomination for the James Madison article and was wondering if you might be able to look in and possibly make any support/oppose comments there for the article? ErnestKrause (talk) 22:38, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Its all appreciated for your new edits. I've left a short comment of appreciation on my Talk page for you. ErnestKrause (talk) 23:13, 9 November 2022 (UTC)


 * User:Display has made some comments related to his edit requests made during the Madison upgrade process and he appears to be unaware of your comments on my Talk page here: . Could you try to explain your comment to him, at least in some short form, at the FAC review for Madison; he appears to be ill-informed about something. ErnestKrause (talk) 18:47, 10 November 2022 (UTC)


 * My advice would be to ignore it, as engaging that editor further is unlikely to be productive. The FAC coordinators will be able to see that the comments are colored by the editor's recent disputes and topic ban around a similar FA article.  Wasted Time R (talk) 00:48, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
 * He appears to be transferring his edit misconduct from the Andrew Jackson page to the FAC for Madison right now; I'm not sure that ignoring it would convince him not to transfer his poor edit conduct to the FAC for Madison. Those were nice edits you did for Madison yesterday, however, the co-nominator at FAC (Mike) is so put off by Display's conduct that he has withdrawn as co-nominator according to his comment there. Should I still try to ignore Display for this, or what's the next best alternative? ErnestKrause (talk) 16:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, you could invite him to post his unresolved issues with the Madison article on the FAC page and say that you will try to understand and address them but without substantially increasing the article length. That puts the focus back on the FAC process, where it should be, instead of on discussions of editor conduct, which generally only make things worse.  Wasted Time R (talk) 22:15, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Your latest edit to PL/C
Your mention of the Terak is interesting, since it is a PDP-11 box rather that IBM mainframe. The abstract of the Stillman article seems to imply that Cornell was running Pascal on them, rather than PL/C. The Daily Sun reference explicitly says PL/C, but only says they’re working on it. Since PL/C was written in IBM assembler, this would be interesting. Do you have any inside knowledge or are you only going by the references? I’m still looking for a copy of the darned thing, so this would be big news. Peter Flass (talk) 19:02, 26 October 2022 (UTC)


 * No, I don't have inside knowledge about the PL/CS variant or the Terak, and yes, I have also wondered about the extent to which PL/CS ran on the Terak. The end of the Stillman paper says "For this purpose, we have purchased Terak microcomputers, which are based on Digital Equipment Corporation's LSI-11 processor. In place of UCSD Pascal, our first semester course will be using PL/CS, a system developed at Cornell University which is much simpler to operate than the UCSD system."  (I believe you can see the whole paper even if you aren't an ACM member, as they have opened up access to articles of this vintage.)  The Teitelbaum CACM paper says "The design and implementation of the Program Synthesizer began in May 1978, and demonstrable prototype versions were operational under UNIX as well as on Terak (LSI-11) microcomputers by December 1978 [24, 25]. ... The first language implemented for the Synthesizer was PL/CS, an instructional dialect of PL/I [5, 23]. PL/CS had previously been defined to serve as a vehicle for research on batch-oriented, error-correcting compilers [6] as well as for program verification [4]."  However, the Rudan history of computing at Cornell article says that "With regard to individual microcomputers for teaching, introductory computer programming, the [University Computing Board] was very interested in the innovative and interesting development of the Cornell Program Synthesizer by Tim Teitelbaum, professor in Computer Science. Using an LSI-11 chip, Teitelbaum developed this self-contained system for writing structured programs from a video display tube using a subset of the PL/CS processor running in a “syntax-directed synthesizer.” As it turned out, the Terak company was building microcomputers that contained the LSI-11 chip, and so several of these computers were purchased for use as development and test machines as a joint OCS and Computer Science project. ... Because the Synthesizer could compose only PL/C programs, OCS built the necessary software and hardware connections so that the Synthesizer could send completed programs to the IT batch processor on the 370/168 for execution and printing of results."  So what to make of all that?  The arrangement that Rudan describes certainly doesn't sound like the 'simpler to operate' system that Stillman describes.  The people who implemented PL/C were experienced compiler developers who had previously had a heritage (CORC and CUPL) of developing compilers for non-IBM systems, so maybe they did built part of PL/CS for the LSI-11?  I'm not sure.  Wasted Time R (talk) 10:43, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think this discussion should be moved to the talk page for PL/C, I should never have started it here. I want to take some time to review the sources in more detail, and maybe some other research, they're certainly confusing, but your edit is faithful to the sources. The CPS contains an interpreter for PL/C.

Sadly, Cornell seems to have been better at developing things than saving copies of them. Peter Flass (talk) 16:41, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Richard W. Conway
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First Ladies of the United States
Hello! I'm currently trying to bring List of first ladies of the United States to Good Topic status. I understand that you're a major contributor to Nancy Reagan and you've already brought it close to Good Article status. I also understand that you brought Hillary Clinton to Featured Article status before it was delisted. I was wondering if you had any interest in nominating one or both of these as Good Articles. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:50, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the query, but I have to say I'm not interested. I retired from working on the HRC article during 2015/16 and have no desire to return.  As for Nancy, I contributed most of the acting section and a few other bits here and there, but another editor was mainly responsible for getting it to FA.  After that person disappeared from WP, I tried to keep it at FA level for a couple of years, but after a while I grew tired of the watchlist churn of unsourced additions, wording changes that didn't improve anything, minor formatting alterations that led to hard-to-decipher diffs, and so on, so I gave up.  Both of these articles ended up being delisted from FA, which maybe is an example of 'be careful what you wish for'.  But never mind what I think, I wish you well with your Good Topic effort ...   Wasted Time R (talk) 22:39, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I can't blame you. I've been putting off the more recent first ladies for a reason. Either way, thank you for the work you've already done on them. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:03, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

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DYK for Walter Hines Page School of International Relations
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Done Somebody Wrong
Greetings, Wasted Time R! Nice work on the Done Somebody Wrong article. Yes, it's a job well done. — Mudwater (Talk) 01:59, 20 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks! It was the one track on the At Fillmore East LP that didn't have its own article, so I decided to look into it, and as often happens it turned out to be a little more involved than I expected.  Wasted Time R (talk) 11:42, 20 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Ha ha, nice. "P.S." About this post, you have to use the reply template (or other means of notification) and sign (or re-sign) your post with four tildes in the same edit, otherwise the notification doesn't work. — Mudwater (Talk) 15:58, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

 * Best wishes for the new year to you as well. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:39, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Wasted Time R!


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DYK for Done Somebody Wrong
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 * Ooh, today's the big day. Very exciting!  — Mudwater (Talk) 00:04, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Rollback usage
Why did you feel that this was worthy of a rollback? Doesn't seem to meet the criteria for rollback, perhaps not even for a revert. 2600:1009:B016:6627:2450:B588:5F71:379E (talk) 02:48, 28 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I have no idea what happened – must have been some kind of accidental mousepress at just the wrong moment. Now undone.  Wasted Time R (talk) 02:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

GA for Chevron
Hi! Just wanted to say thanks for such a thorough GA review on Chevron. I had noted the structural problem with relegating all the criticism to an article no one reads, and I was watching the article for the GA review to make sure it was addressed (since there's really no guarantee of that). But then I missed the review, because I filter bot edits on my watchlist.And so I was wondering if you know about a trick where I would have been alerted that the GA was underway without having every bot edit show up for every article on my watchlist? I'd have thought the GA subpage might have shown up since I was watching the talk page. Just thought I'd see if you knew a way to do that. Thanks again! Larataguera (talk) 13:48, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the kind words regarding the review. As for alerting on GA review subpages, the watchlist mechanism allows you to watch a page that doesn't exist (yet).  I've done this in the past for things like GA reviews.  So in this case if you go to Talk:Chevron Corporation/GA2, it will say no article by that name exists, but the UI will still have an add-to-watchlist action.  Do that, and then it will show up on your watchlist when and if that file is created due to another GA review being started.  Wasted Time R (talk) 22:46, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That's just the trick I was looking for. Larataguera (talk) 23:18, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

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Good article reassessment/Automatic scorer/1
Hi WTR, I have read this with interest and must say I agree with much of what you say. I am saddened somewhat by the whole DC situation (at a human level, he was a person who was acting in good faith, whether competently or not) and I applaud you for trying to salvage one of the affected articles against what feels like a tough wall of preconceived bias. I am also making an effort on another affected article, similarly as you are, given I undertook the GA review originally. I very much support the premise of your hope that following amendments and improvements, any article submitted to GAR will be judged on merit of the community-agreed GA process, and not disproportionately with the backdrop of its original author and perceived ownership to said author (that of course doesn't mean the expressed concerns aren't valid). I sympathise with your comments posted there earlier today.

I do have a feeling that the fundamental premise of what we're doing has become a bit clouded over these articles, in that we should want to build and improve upon existing work and it should be encouraged to do so. I have taken a rather matter-of-fact approach that, if the community opt not to retain the GA designation on the article I am working on, at least it can be considered better than it was when this sorry saga started. I guess I am trying to say that it's refreshing to see someone else on a similar wavelength to myself. Bungle (talk • contribs) 23:35, 11 March 2023 (UTC)


 * thanks very much for your thoughts on this. Hopefully our GARs will be judged as we are asking and will get through, and a little something will be salvaged from this miserable situation.  Wasted Time R (talk) 12:24, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

In appreciation

 * Thanks very much! A lot of effort and discussion but if a little bit can be saved out of this miserable situation, worth it. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:58, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Capex Corporation
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Stern's book
I think what has happened here is that my hard copy of the book is the 1971 Hart-Davis edition. Back before the US went metric in 1970s, books sometimes had to be re-typeset for different editions due to the different paper sizes. I could alter the reference to be 1971, or switch to whatever edition is online on the Internet Archive. Hawkeye7  (discuss)  22:12, 23 July 2023 (UTC)


 * That would account for pagination differences. But the original edition that's in OpenLibrary does not have the last sentence ("In this very limited sense ...") of the quote from Teller's testimony.  So if the 1971 edition has that, then you definitely need to alter to the "Sources" base cite to that edition.  Or the quote could be re-cited to this PBS page or some other source that includes that sentence.  Wasted Time R (talk) 23:33, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * You're right; that last sentence is missing from my copy of Stern too. The text was inserted by an IP here after I had added the citation to Stern. Acted on your suggestion to switch the cite to the PBS page. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  23:50, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

Tony Bennett
Just making sure you're ok. I thought for sure I'd see you over at Tony Bennett after his death. GA-RT-22 (talk) 15:05, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


 * One of those articles that I gradually stopped working on.  Wasted Time R (talk) 10:25, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

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Need Help Finding A Writer
This is a bit of a reach, but as someone not well-versed in the community I'm not sure which persons to turn too. I'm working on the 1924 United States presidential election article, something that I had previously worked on back in 2014 or so, and a lot of information recently had to be stripped from it due to mistakes by my past self. As someone who struggles to write articles or break down information efficiently, I had been hoping to find a collaborator who could take my sources/notes and "put it to paper" as it were, and have reached out in a few places. The Wikiproject that I am a part of however seems to be inactive, as do any of the Wikiprojects dealing with US elections, and the Help Desk was didn't inspire much confidence. While you don't generally work on political articles from what I can tell and are semi-retired, I was hoping given you were one of the most active users on Wikipedia for quite some time, and had worked on a number of articles relating to politicians, that you might know some users I could reach out to that may be interested. If not that is fine, as I said this is a bit of a reach, just let me know if that is the case. Ariostos (talk) 20:28, 31 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I haven't worked on election articles in a number of years, so I don't know who might be available these days to collaborate with. You could look at the contribution history of the articles about the other elections from the interwar years and see if any names keep popping up and contact them.  As for Wikiprojects, almost all of them are moribund, with the occasional exception such as MILHIST.  I could be wrong, but the sense I get is that collaboration on Wikipedia was much more common 15 years ago than it is now; most current contributors just go it alone on whatever interests them.  Wasted Time R (talk) 00:02, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @Wasted Time R: Thank you for getting back to me. I'll try a few other places but, as you said, Wikipedia has changed significantly since I was last active on the site; I'm feeling like I may eventually need to reach beyond Wikipedia itself for someone who would be interested, least if these last few pitches don't elicite anything. Ariostos (talk) 19:22, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

DYK for The Librarian (version control system)
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I’m pointy and disruptive
😂 &#32;Anythingyouwant (talk) 02:47, 10 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hmm. Per the List of United States presidential elections in which the winner lost the popular vote article, there's only been one case where the popular-vote-winner-but-electoral-college-loser got an actual majority of the popular vote (Tilden in 1876, at 50.9 percent). That's because such elections are almost by definition very close, and in very close elections even mildly performant third-party candidates will get enough to pull both leading candidates under 50 percent.  (Hence why Georgia keeps seeing run-off elections.)  So I would say that Hillary not getting a popular vote majority in 2016 is unremarkable.  Whether she "won" the popular vote that year, or merely "received more" of it, is undefined, since either achievement gets you a whole lot of nothing in presidential elections.  (The difference is clearer in run-off systems; no one would say that Perdue "won" in the 2020–21 United States Senate election in Georgia just because he had the most votes in the first round.)  So it is pointy and disruptive to get into the "won" versus "received more" distinction?  No, but realistically, WP will go by RSes and I think they mostly used "won" – in particular, this AP filing "Clinton wins popular vote by nearly 2.9 million", from December 22, 2016 when all the certified results were in, seems to have been used by a lot of media outlets.  Wasted Time R (talk) 11:55, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks WTR, it’s nice to chat with you again. 😊 I will not hold my breath waiting for AP to report that “team X scored more points but team Y won more applause.” At least we agree that I’m not (in this case) disruptive!  Best,  &#32;Anythingyouwant (talk) 21:44, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Sports stories will cover things like that if they have an unusual angle, such as a visiting star getting huge applause from home fans or a home team trying to prevent visiting fans from buying tickets. And rightly or wrongly, the electoral college is viewed as an unusual arrangement, so when it produces a counterintuitive result, the press will pay it attention.  And imagine what would happen if an outcome was determined by a faithless elector, everyone would go completely bananas....  Wasted Time R (talk) 14:14, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the closest analogy is when an elected official or an elected body does something in defiance of public opinion polls. Maybe suitable for an article body at Wikipedia, but probably not the lead.  The U.S. thankfully does not operate by public opinion polls, though is influenced by them.  Likewise, I wouldn’t want a Wikipedia article about a SCOTUS decision to say in the lead whether it conforms with public opinion, as those judges are supposed to decide cases on other grounds (e.g. what the words of a law mean).&#32;Anythingyouwant (talk) 17:04, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

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DYK for United States Conciliation Service
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DYK for National War Labor Board (1942–1945)
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DYK for Walker Interactive Products
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An article for Les Cason
I saw this edit to the article for East Rutherford High School. I've heard Cason's story before and it might well be worth an article that would have significant DYK potential. The obituary from The New York Times would be helpful, but you have ample access to contemporaneous sources to flesh out the article. Any interest? Alansohn (talk) 03:46, 31 December 2023 (UTC)


 * I thought about doing that and there are lots of sources about him. But I decided I didn't want to, it's just too sad of a story.  Wasted Time R (talk) 15:20, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I can imagine a hook saying "that Les Cason was widely touted as the next Lew Alcindor and was offered scholarships by 300 collegiate basketball programs, but never made it to the NBA?", but I more than understand the reluctance to tell his story. My genuine appreciation for your work on creating the in-depth article for Leonia Alternative High School. I look forward to seeing more of your work in the Bergen County / New Jersey area and appreciate your efforts to dig deep into the archives for contemporaneous sources not available on Google. Alansohn (talk) 15:28, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

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DYK for Leonia Alternative High School
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DYK for Englewood Golf Club
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Always precious
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Pictures of Bulgarian National Football team in USA'94
Hello, I saw that you have uploaded 3 pictures from the football game Bulgarian vs Germany from World Cup in USA 1994, I talk about this, this and this. I am working on the article of this game in the Bulgarian Wiki and I would like to ask you do you have some other pictures from this event which you can upload, as well? Станислав Николаев (talk) 06:04, 8 April 2024 (UTC)


 * There are some additional photos in Commons:Category:Bulgaria v Germany, 10 July 1994 that should be useful. Wasted Time R (talk) 13:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wow, thanks so much for these pictures. Станислав Николаев (talk) 08:21, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

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