Talk:C. J. Cregg/Archive 1

"Speedy Deletion???"
What POSSIBLE reason could there be for this article to be "a candidate for speedy deletion"??? That's just absolute nonsense. Somebody needs to get off of their high horse, in my opinion. There's nothing wrong with the article that makes it worthy of deletion, at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.200.152 (talk) 03:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's referring to the photo of C.J., not the article itself. --Hnsampat (talk) 03:40, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh (*blush*) Sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.200.152 (talk) 02:36, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

New photo from later in the series is needed. I don't know how do it... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.213.216.115 (talk) 08:51, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

"A Full Lid"
I know this isn't the right place to ask this, so sorry. Could anyone explain what CJ means when she says, at the end of most press conferences, "That's a full lid". Is this a media term?
 * A "full lid" is shorthand for saying that there will be no more news coming out of the White House for the day. It's a real term that has been used by White House Press Secretaries in briefings.  Shoemoney2night (talk) 00:56, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Doctorate
There is an episode in which she referenced earning a doctorate at Berkeley, and hence this later makes her a viable candidate to head the Kennedy School of Government in the final episodes.
 * I have never heard her say anywhere that she earned a doctorate. In fact, the fact that she is still referred to, through the end of the series, as "Ms. Cregg" and not "Dr. Cregg" suggests that she never earned a doctorate. Could you please cite the exact episode where this is said? In the meantime, I'm going to temporarily revert your edit. --Hnsampat 13:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

hair colour change?
why is her hair suddenly darker in colour? Bwithh 00:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Succession box
Do we really need a succession box for a position of which there has only ever been one known occupant? DJ Clayworth 17:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

"Access"
I've deleted the following text from the 5th paragraph:

"Although a fifth season mockumentary episodes describes C.J. as the only press secretary to have served out two full terms under the same president, in fact..."

I just watched the episode ("Access"), and the specific line is, "[Cregg] remains the only woman to have served two terms as the White House Press Secretary." It doesn't say she served two full terms, and it seems that the emphasis was on her as a woman. I think the script is sufficiently vague that there isn't need to claim there is a continuity problem. --Eirishis 14:54, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Catholic?
She's listed as List of Fictional Catholics, but this doesn't appear in the text. I don't recall anything about this from the show, could someone describe with citation? -Thucydides —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.169.185.188 (talk) 03:12, 3 January 2007 (UTC).


 * In "The Crackpots and These Women," the fifth episode of the first season, Josh is listening to Ave Maria (by Schubert, I think) and he asks C.J. if she's ever heard it. She replies, "I'm Catholic" (presumably as a way of saying, "Of course I've heard it"). --Hnsampat 03:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Other Relationships
In 4x13 The Long Goodbye, CJ goes home to Ohio for a class reunion and has a fling with Marco Arlens. In mid season 5, around episode 5x15 Full Disclosure, she had a relationship with Ben, the forrest ranger. How long it lasted is unclear. Also, a more intimate relationship between CJ and Toby was alluded to in episode 7x21 Institutional Memory when CJ went to see Toby about the pardon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.158.197 (talk)
 * Yes, but we don't necessarily need to add that to the article. We don't necessarily need to detail C.J.'s entire love life, although we could if we wanted to. Also, I personally think there's nothing to the Toby-C.J. thing, but in any case it's speculation at best. --Hnsampat (talk) 13:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Episodes
IMDB is not always a reliable source. However when it comes to episode lists and cast lists it almost always is, because they are checked by the administrators, instead of submitted by the public. Therefore I maintain that the statement I added is probably correct. It is certainly more likely to be correct than the completely unsourced statement which was there before, and to which my addition was reverted. DJ Clayworth (talk) 20:45, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Appearances
It says C.J. appears in all episodes except 17. People, however she also doesn't appear in Opposition Research, King Corn, La Palabra, Message of the Week, The Debate, Running Mates, Two Weeks Out or Welcome To Wherever You Are. I don't know whether it should be changed to say she appears in all but 9 episodes or whether to leave it out completely. ObsessedWithTV (talk) 19:27, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Removed speculation
I've removed the following paragraphs:


 * In the final two episodes of Season 6, in a plotline involving an oxygen leak aboard the International Space Station, a senior White House official leaked information to the New York Times about a top-secret military space shuttle that could lead to the rescue of the astronauts if none of NASA's shuttles could be readied in time. After the cliffhanger at the end of the season, many fans speculated that C.J. could be the leaker, something that, if confirmed, could result in her facing Federal charges and a possible prison sentence of up to 10 years.


 * The incident is probably used to mirror the Valerie Plame scandal in which the identity of the CIA wife of Iraq War critic former-ambassador Joseph C. Wilson was leaked by top Bush staffers. It is important to note that the show suggest White House Chief of Staff C.J. Cregg is implied of the leak, this is parallel in real life in which Bush’s chief political advisor Karl Rove is implied of the leak. Also like in real life, the leak had to do with a New York Times reporter, in the real life leak journalist Judith Miller served time in prison for not collaborating with a Grand Jury to reveal the name of the source, this is also mirrored in the West Wing where the reporter involved with the leak would not name his source for the sake of confidentiality to protect the source.


 * At the end of the episode Mr. Frost, it was revealed that Toby Ziegler was in fact the leak.

They're unsupported speculation, as far as I can tell, and since CJ wasn't the leak, they're now also irrelevant.--chris.lawson 04:27, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy is clear and must be followed
Material without reliable sources cannot remain in articles, even - and especially - if the subject never existed. This policy on reliable sources is not negotiable. I liked the West Wing but we must remember that CJ Cregg never lived, nor did anyone else on this fictional show. Thus, where she was "born" or what she "did" is irrelevant. Please read the article "What Wikipedia is not" for discussion of notability, in-universe and indiscriminate information. What you saw on your DVD is not a source.Catherinejarvis (talk) 17:20, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia policy is subject to consensus; look at Meredith Grey. a good article, or Preston Burke, a B-Class article. Both have information on the character's background... Go  Phightins  !  02:00, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

The article on Meredith Grey is good - as you have shown - because the many different sources exist in the real world. The sources for CJ Cregg are simply other Wikipedia articles, which are themselves unsourced.Catherinejarvis (talk) 22:16, 31 January 2013 (UTC)