Talk:Call girl/Archives/2013

Companionship section edit
This section seemed to imply one of two things: either 1) that most patrons of call girls are elderly or widowed men seeking companionship for reasons primarily other than sex per se, or 2) that most elderly or widowed men who patronize call girls seek them for companionship reasons other than sex per se. I, as a recent call girl, dispute both of these claims. I am a good-looking, educated and pleasant twenty-something female who dealt in a very normal Craigslist market for an average price, so my experience can be taken as the norm. The vast majority of my clients were age 25-50 and single, committed, married or divorced. Of the few who were over 50, the vast majority appeared to have the same interest in a strictly sexual encounter as the younger men. I didn't get more "companionship" signals from elderly or widowed men than from any others. The whole "old man cherishing young sex bunny" thing is a total myth in my experience and should never be considered encyclopedic unless there is statistical evidence to back it up. I have edited the offending statement to be neutral and indisputable. Have a good day! 67.177.199.159 (talk) 03:38, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds reasonable, especially considering both references had failed verification. It's a bit better now, though I'd be careful because your own experiences do constitute original research, which isn't allowed here. &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 06:30, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Edits by 78.148.250.211
Moved this from the article to the talk page

''Comment: The above paragraph [about the quality of escorts] is misleading. Escorts are rarely vetted; often, agency owners will not even know their names, so background checks are definitely not the norm. Attractiveness is also subjective and you will find agencies who cater for all types. This is based on experience of working as an escort in the UK.'' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Digana (talk • contribs) 14:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Encyclopedic Tone
Is there any way we can modify this article to make it more, um, neutral? To my inexperienced mind it reads more like a career-day pitch for the escort profession or even like an attempt (appropriate or otherwise) to deflect some perceived stigma associated with patronizing or practicing this vocation.

I disagree, I think this is a reasonably fair treatment of the subject, with none of the usual subtle negative bias that creeps into these discussions where escorting is usually linked to social problems such as drugs and crime. Please remember we are dealing with a worldwide audience, some of whose countries have decriminalised this sort of activity. This isn't just for an American audience. Bolddog 11:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I think everyone needs to read the second paragraph a little more closely. -- Nick Begovich 19:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

"'These 'dates' can include flying by private jet to Las Vegas, staying in a luxury hotel suite, dining at the finest restaurants, dancing at the hottest nightclubs, and gambling at the casinos.'"

That's a direct quote from the "...Celebrities..." section of the article. I would have to agree with the first poster, in that the article sounds more like a pitch for careers in escorting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.213.22.193 (talk) 21:23, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Call Girls in College
I'd like to see some statistics on this claim; in the meantime, I have removed it. I have researched, and found no evidence that it is a "growing trend" for call girls to emerge in colleges. The description of college women trying to pay tuition smacks of late-night premium Cable television. The entire paragraph is spawned from immature fantasy and ignorant speculation.


 * You can find call girls that claim to be college students all over the place. I strongly doubt though that there is any evidence to be had of a growing trend. 66.157.199.112 08:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I would dispute that the last commentators comments it is growing  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwanyewest (talk • contribs) 17:38, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Pander
"Pander"? Never heard the term before. Please either define the link or remove it. Mat-C 14:38, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * The term is somewhat archaic but it generally means (or meant) a person who obtains the services of a prostitute for the man who is to engage the prostitute. A pander differs from a pimp in that he "works" for the prositute's "customer", rather than being the "boss" of the prostitute. Kind of a "personal shopper" for the would-be john, if you will. In English the name derives from the character of Pandarus. Ellsworth 23:33, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Actually, "pander" is a verb, and a person who panders is called a "panderer." I have made the correction.

Actually it's a noun and a verb, so a person who panders can be either a pander or a panderer

Gender
Does "call girl" have a masculine equivalent?? 66.245.1.229 20:00, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Fred Garvin maybe?194.183.196.141 07:12, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
 * The male equivalent is "rent boy". --64.229.29.248 01:19, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

The male equivalent is Male Escort. Bolddog 13:51, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

"Hiring" a boyfriend or girlfriend in China not associated with sex trade at all
In early 21st-century China, many men who have just attained marriageable age also tend to appease others by looking for a woman to play the role of a prospective. Apart from peer pressure, this tendency is also attributable to familial pressure, more common for rural dwellers who work in larger cities. These men consider themselves quite successful in their careers, but simply have little time for the courtship process. To address this matter, there are women who can be rented as 'actresses', mostly on an amateur basis. These women hardly ever carry the stigma associated with call girls in the West, and are hardly ever organised. It is unusual for Chinese to even remotely associate these women with prostitution or these men with sex clients. High-profile advertising seeking these 'actresses' has received considerable media attention. Real date relationships with these 'actresses' have also been reported to ensue. Women, on the other hand, are known to have similar thoughts and actions as well.

-> Well it sounds like a good thing to include. To me that culture makes more sense, although if it comes to the stage where a guy will have to or be expected to pay a girl, or girls can exploit guys with low self-esteem... then that's bad as well.

Well these aren't really call girls are they? This is what the phrase "Escorting" originally meant. Bolddog 13:57, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Call girl health and police sting operations
One issue this article lacks is mention that call girls are often perceived, right or wrong, as being more concerned with STD prevention compared with street prostitutes. Another thing this article lacks is mention of the criticism pro-legalization activists have directed at the police for donating precious resources at call girls that would be better directed at pimps. Similar criticisms have been directed at busts of massage parlors that provide sex-related extra services. --Cab88 12:48, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

This is an American phenomenon, in England prostitution is illegal. Solicitation is illegal as are "brothels". The laws are directed more toward "pimps" and those who live of a working girl's earnings. "Living off immoral earnings" is a crime in the UK, but actuly providing sexual services for money is not.

I believe this section needs more geographical relevance, possibly splitting it up by continent? After all its not just about the USA ;) Bolddog 13:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, in the UK, though solicitation, "brothels", sex slavery, soliciting underage girls, and pimping are illegal prostitution is technically legal. I believe that most escorts and escort agencies fall within the law.  The reasoning behind this is that money paid is for time and companionship and what two consenting adults do during that time together is not the concern of the law.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.78.86.166 (talk) 17:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Call Girl or Escort?
Call Girl is a particularly American phrase. In the UK and Europe the term "Escort" is more common. Because of the legal framework in the UK where prostitution is not actually illegal (although solicitation of sexual services is illegal), the Escort "industry" particualrly in London has exploded over the last few years. I'd like to write a piece about the development of the London Escort industry, but I'm a wiki noob so any guidance would he appreciated. Bolddog 13:51, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, the term "escort" is widespread in the United States as well. Where it gets tricky is that an "escort" can also refer to someone who is not a prostitute, such as a hired companion for a social function. However, the overwhelming majority of people who advertise as "escorts" are, in fact, offering sexual services. The term "call girl" is kind of a dated term at this point, though still used. Perhaps this article should be moved to "escort"? Iamcuriousblue 11:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Escort can also mean someone who is not hired. —Tamfang (talk) 04:00, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Working girl is better69.10.63.226 (talk) 19:17, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Blackmail
This sentence in the Internet section:

This has led some customers to blackmail call girls by threatening of a bad rating in order to obtain more sexual services or a discount on the rate.

Where is the evidence? In my experience this is a rare occurance and not that big a deal. Most girls laugh at the blackmailer and cick them out. It really isnt' worth mentioning and all it does is make the topic sound MORE sleazy and crime ridden than it already does. I believe this sentence shoudl be removed.

The sentence about girls writing their own reviews is accurate, although the sites do try to spot and filter those contributions out. I'll add that addendum, but I am not sure about wholesale removal of sentences yet - I'm still new to this! Bolddog 14:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Public Perception Of Call Girls
The first few sentences of this last section are of total opinion and don't really speak for the occupation as a whole. I think it is entirely subjective and should be removed or at least revised.

deftdrummer Chico, CA Jan 21, 2007

Page protection
I think the simplest way to deal with the problem of constant linkspamming of this page is to request semi-protection. I'll put in a request today. Iamcuriousblue 16:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

NPOV
I've tagged this article with   for a couple of places that seem to seriously violate WP:NPOV.
 * 1) The second paragraph in the intro section (Call girls are sometimes seen as elite amongst prostitutes[...]). It uses peacock terms and otherwise presents the topic in a non-neutral light. The claims in this paragraph are for the most part unsourced (the source, Part B: New Zealand Prostitutes' Collective, 3.3 Findings does not cover most of the information in that paragraph.
 * 2) The Legal Issues section. It is completely unsourced and appears to push the opposite POV that the other sections attempt to push. I've deleted this section repeatedly, but since the author of the section has asked for some leeway, presumably to improve that section, I'm holding off on removing it as it should be.

These really need to be fixed. --/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 19:09, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've now deleted the Legal Issues section as the contributor has still not improved it as was agreed on. --/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 20:06, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've also removed the reference from the second paragraph of the intro section and marked it with the or template. I've read through the entire reference and found that it does not in any way substantiate the claims made in that paragraph. Here is the reference in template form in case someone wants to re-add it later.
 * In all likelihood, the paragraph made a different claim in the past which was substantiated. In particular, the mention about screening workers for drug use may be rejected by the reference, which says drug use is more prevalent in the "indoor sector" than in street workers. I find this to be rather disturbing all things considered. &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 19:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * In all likelihood, the paragraph made a different claim in the past which was substantiated. In particular, the mention about screening workers for drug use may be rejected by the reference, which says drug use is more prevalent in the "indoor sector" than in street workers. I find this to be rather disturbing all things considered. &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 19:16, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

"Sample" Advert
I have removed the "sample" Call girl advert from the PSE section. It is completely unreferenced and represents original research as synthesis. This information should not be re-added. &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 01:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've yet again removed the information. If I'm mistaken about it being original research, I wish someone would shed some light on it for me. &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 16:54, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was no move. JPG-GR (talk) 22:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Move it to "Escort" This Expression is being called for both men & women.Elmondo21st (talk) 14:07, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose move; the article is about females. While if evidence can be provided to show that "escort" is most recognized as being gender-ambiguous in this context, a rewrite of that topic would be appropriate, with a subsequent merge from here to there being the outcome. &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 14:13, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose Escort means many things, like the Ford Escort, military escorts, etc, ad infinitum. 70.55.86.100 (talk) 04:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above comments and because the current article seems to only deal with women anyway. —  AjaxSmack   21:26, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The argument is that because the article is flawed in its sexual bias, it shouldn't be moved? I don't agree that Escort is the best target (I might escort an old lady across the street, but I probably won't have sex with her later), but the reasons given for not moving are pretty weak. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 23:16, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see a problem with a sexual bias in this particular topic. A call girl is a specific subset of female prostitute, and thus is not analogous to a male prostitute. We have articles on the male reproductive system and the female reproductive system. Until such a time as the article's content is revamped in such a way that it actually refers to a gender-neutral classification of prostitute, I think the current title is quite appropriate. &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 00:17, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - male escorts are covered in the male prostitution article. See Escort. 199.125.109.107 (talk) 06:09, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

More scrutiny
Folks, there was some blatant advertising sitting in the first paragraph of the article for a couple of months. With such controversial topics Wikipedia needs to scrutinize such things more carefully.

--Mcorazao (talk) 22:40, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Scrutiny of References
So some of the references do not contain the information they claim. For example, #5 barely discusses escorts, it really does not discuss the use of escorts for non-sexual purposes. I am trying to assume good faith, but I worry that some may be searching to find anything reputable to place in as a source to write in their own information. --Blondtraillite (talk) 17:29, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Should we include some references of escort pages such as [redacted by Tamfang]. We could include a few more samples of Call Girls / Escorts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lp Natasha (talk • contribs) 03:57, 17 January 2011 (UTC)


 * We want to avoid the appearance of advertising. —Tamfang (talk) 21:27, 17 January 2011 (UTC)