Talk:Canton of Neuchâtel

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Foreigners?
The first paragraph states the 2007 population, "...of which 39,654 (or 23.4%) were foreigners". Is this meant to mean there were at that time 23% tourists in Neuchatel from outside France, or illegal immigrants, or refuges, or French citizens who legally immigrated to France and settled in Neuchatel, or simply non-Caucasian residents? If it's either of the latter 2, I suggest the wording is impolitic at best. In any case, it's ambiguous. --Chrishibbard7 (talk) 16:35, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's only talking about residents, so the number doesn't include tourists. It's a mixture of citizens from any country other than Switzerland (who do not hold a Swiss passport and are not Swiss citizens), who are official residents of the canton.  It has nothing to do with whether they are French citizens or non-Caucasian.Tobyc75 (talk) 01:57, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Paragraph on slave labor
''During the Prussian time, some families of Neuchâtel were engaged in slave labor. David de Pury was a Hoffactor for the Portuguese Monarch. Jean-Pierre de Pury, who founded Purrysburg, South Carolina, owned and traded with slaves. Jacques Louis Poutales became a slave owner in Grenada. Pierre Alexandre DuPeyrou became a slave owner in the Dutch colony Surinam. Charles Daniel de Meuron became a slave owner in South Africa. Other slave owners and producers of tobacco were from the Neuchâtel family Coulon. The activities of these families made Neuchâtel rich.''
 * This paragraph lacks encyclopedic quality. There are no citations. The claim that “[…] activities of these families made Neuchâtel rich” seems dubious; how could business activities held abroad by private citizens of Neuchatel have major impact on the finances of the canton? These citizens were not conducting business on behalf of the canton (at least nothing in the article suggests so). While Neuchatel may have benefited from slave labor through taxes and private donations – if the claim that De Meuron, DuPeyrou, etc. were indeed involved in slave labor is correct – it seems ludicrous to think that these benefits were anything major in the overall finances of the canton. Gb1291 (talk) 16:37, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Louis Agassiz was from the canton as well.
 * This seems to come out of nowhere and has nothing to do with the rest of the paragraph. Is anyone trying to imply guilt by association? Gb1291 (talk) 16:37, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Cultural identification
Isn't it interesting to know Neuchatel has a shared history with three nations: France, Germany and Italy? The local language is a dialect of French, belonged to the Prussian empire (Germany) briefly from 1707 to 1848 and the coat of arms is strinkingly similar to the Italian tricolor of Italy. Also the Republic of Saugeais is a micro-nation based in the northwest part of the Canton de Neuchatel overlapping the French-Swiss border. It does make us wonder on the intercultural nature of Neuchatel has close ties with other European nations, plus the 16th/17th century rule of the Austrian Hapsburgs and Spanish royal families (Franche-Comte was under Castile Spain). + 71.102.7.77 (talk) 01:18, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

rewriting section 1
NEUCHATEL -- SOVEREIGNS

[adapted, with additions, from section 4 (‘reigning families’) of the French Wikipedia entry “History of Neuchâtel’ as replacement for section 1 (‘History’) of current English-language entry on “Neuchâtel, Canton of”].

The only part of present-day Switzerland to enter the Confederation as a principality, Neuchâtel has a unique history. Its original rulers, the Counts of Neuchâtel, governed the region along the western shore of the Lake of Neuchâtel for over 350 years, with every second prince named Rudolf: Ulrich I (1034-1070), Rudolf I (1070-1099), Ulrich II (1099-1132), Rudolf II (1132-1164), Ulrich III (1164-1209), Rudolf III (1209-1213), Berthold I (1213-1260), Rudolf IV (1260-1270), Amadeus I (1270-1286), Rudolf V (1286-1325). The eleventh count, Louis I (1325-1373), left two daughters but no sons; the older sister, Isabelle of Neuchâtel (1373-1395), became its first female ruler. She died childless, bequeathing Neuchâtel to her nephew Conrad of Furstemburg (1395-1424). He was followed by his son John (1424-1457), who died childless. Meanwhile, from 1405 until it became a Swiss canton in 1815, the citizens of the County of Neuchâtel remained allies of the Swiss Confederation. This extremely anomalous political situation explains why, in every disputed succession after 1458 when the burghers of Neuchâtel awarded the County to a cadet branch of the House of Baden, it was either Neuchâtel’s citizens or their Swiss allies who chose its official ruler. Rudolf of Hochberg (1458-1487) and especially his son Philip (1487-1503) moved Neuchâtel decisively into the Swiss orbit. After Philip’s death, his only child, Jeanne of Hochberg (1503-1543), married duke Louis of Orléans-Longueville, inaugurating a French aristocratic dynasty that nominally ruled Neuchâtel for over two centuries. However, in 1512 the heiress’s husband so insulted the Swiss that they invaded Neuchâtel, occupying the County and governing it for seventeen years1. They returned theoretical sovereignty to a widowed Countess, now so indebted to Swiss creditors that her capital city, Neuchâtel, managed it for them until her death in 1543. Neuchâtel’s powerful eastern neoghbor, Bern, then chose Jeanne’s four-year-old grandson, Léonor d’Orléans-Longueville, as her successor; under the regency of his Huguenot mother Jacqueline de Rohan, Reformed Protestantism became established in all but two of Neuchâtel’s communes. While its absentee rulers became ever more deeply indebted to Swiss creditors2, no duke of Longueville even visited Neuchâtel for over a century after 1512. Léonor d’Orléans-Longueville (1543-1573) was followed by a five-year-old son, Henri I (1573-1595). His mother, Marie de Bourbon, became Neuchâtel’s most successful French ruler. She acted as regent throughout his reign and more than doubled its size (but not its population) by purchasing the contiguous western county of Valangin in 1584. After her son’s death, Marie de Bourbon continued to act as regent for her infant grandson, Henri II (1595-1666) until her death in 1601. His mother Catherine Gonzaga then became regent until 1617. The dynasty ended amidst remarkable confusion. Henri II left a daughter by his first marriage and two sons by a later marriage. One was his wife’s bastard, whom Henri legitimized and who died unmarried in 1672; the other became a priest and was later declared insane. Their mother, Anne-Genevieve de Bourbon-Condé, acted as regent until her death in 1679. Despite opposition from Louis XIV, Henri II’s widowed daughter, Marie de Nemours, then became regent for her demented half-brother. After his death in 1694, she became Neuchâtel’s final female sovereign at the age of sixty-nine -- the oldest woman in European history to become a sovereign -- and remained in office for thirteen years. Her death in 1707 produced petitions to Neuchâtel’s local government from no fewer than fifteen claimants, including five women. After excluding six applicants on various technicalities, they finally elected a candidate who was the most distant from Louis XIV, the most powerful, and reliably Protestant: king Frederick I of Prussia (1707-1713). The Prussian Hohenzollerns inaugurated a final cycle of male absentee princes of Neuchâtel, interrupted briefly by selling it to Napoleon in 1806 and reclaiming it after his fall: Frederick-William I (1713-1740), Frederick II the Great (1740-1786), his nephew Frederick-William II (1786-1797), Frederick-William III (1797-1805 and 1815-1840), and Frederick-William IV (1840-1861). Neuchâtel only became a republic in 1848, long after it had entered the Swiss Confederation as a canton, and had to quash an abortive monarchist putsch in 1856. 2old bill (talk) 14:13, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

counts and princes of Neuchatel, legitimist succession
1 Ulric de Fenis (fl 1034; to ?1070)

2 (Mangold de Neuchatel)

3 Rodolphe I (d c1149)

4  Ulric II (c1149-c1191)

5  Rodolphe II (c1191-before 1196)

6 Ulric III (-1225)

7 Bertoud (perhaps 1213 - 1261)

8  Rodolphe III (1261- before 1263)

9 Amedee  (1263-1288)

10 Rodolphe IV (1286-1343)

11 Louis I (perhaps 1325 -1373)

12 Isabelle (Elisabeth) (1373-1395)

13 Conrad (1395-1424)

14 Jean (1424-1457 or 1447)

15 Guillaume (d 1473) castellan of Rothelin, marquess of Baden, lord of Sausenburg and Hachberg (Hochberg)

16 Rodolphe  (1447 (1458) -1487) castellan of Rothelin, marquess of Baden, lord of Sausenburg, Badenweiler and Hachberg (Hochberg)

17 Philippe (1487-1503) castellan of Rothelin, marquess of Baden, lord of Sausenburg, Badenweiler and Hachberg (Hochberg)

18 Jeanne (1503-1543) de Hochberg, marchioness princess von Baden; husband was: Louis of Orléans, duke of Longueville

19 (Louis, d 1551, duke of Longueville)

20 Léonor (1543-1573) duke of Longueville; regent: Jacqueline de Rohan

21 Henri I (1573-1595) duke of Longueville; regent: Marie de Bourbon, duchess of Estouteville

22 Henri II (1595-1666) duke of Longueville;  regents: Marie de Bourbon, duchess of Estouteville (d 1601) Catherine de Gonzague de Nevers (until 1617)
 * in 1643, Neuchatel adopted the style of principality
 * in 1648 Peace of Westphalia, took sovereignty

23 and 25 Jean Louis (1666-1694 in two intervals) regents (also because insanity and dementia): Anne-Genevieve de Bourbon-Condé (d 1679) Marie de Longueville, duchess of Nemours

24 Charles, duke of Longueville (d 1672); regent: Anne-Genevieve de Bourbon-Condé

26 Marie de Longueville (1694-1707) dowager duchess of Nemours, suo jure duchess of Estouteville jointly: her illegitimate cousin Louis de Bourbon-Soissons, 'prince de Neuchatel', who predeceased her
 * her death in 1707 produced claims to Neuchâtel from no fewer than fifteen claimants, including five women. After excluding six applicants on various technicalities, they finally elected a candidate who was not even a descendant of Jeanne de Rothelin.

legitimist succession:

Paule de Gondi, duchess of Retz, and her sister Catherine (both d 1716)

Louis Nicolas, duc de Villeroy (d 1734)

Louis Francois, duc de Retz et de Villeroy (d 1766)

Louis Francois, duc de Villeroy (guillotined in 1795)

Jeanne Bernarde de Las Minhas (d 1827 Lisbon) and her brother(s)

Honore V, prince of Monaco, duke of Estouteville (d 1841)

Florestan, prince of Monaco, duke of Estouteville (1841-1856)

Charles (1856-1889) duke of Estouteville

Albert (1889-1922) duke of Estouteville

Louis (1922-1949) duke of Estouteville

prince Guillaume de Urach (1949-1957)

Elisabeth, princesse de Urach (1957- d 1999) 88.195.126.19 (talk) 20:30, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

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Johanna von Hochberg
This text is confusing: Their heiress, Jeanne de Rothelin, and her husband, Louis I d'Orléans, duc de Longueville, inherited it in 1504, after which the French house of Orléans-Longueville (Valois-Dunois). Neuchâtel's Swiss allies then occupied it from 1512-1529 before returning it to its widowed Countess Jeanne de Hochberg, chatelaine of Rothelin, dowager duchess of Longueville. The writer appears entirely unawares Jeanne de Rothelin and Countess Jeanne de Hochberg is the same person. CapnZapp (talk) 13:42, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

A separate article for the County (Principality) of Neuchâtel?
Should we create a separate article for the predecessor state of the actual Canton, which was County (Principality) of Neuchâtel, a state within the Holy Roman Empire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kowalmistrz (talk • contribs) 11:17, 3 February 2020 (UTC)