Talk:Cardiff English

Hi there, Colacho here. I edited this page not long ago with regard to two words. Neither the use of "dap" or "tidy" can be thought of as restricted to Cardiff. As a child in Neath in the 60s "dap" was the only word ever used in Neath for plimsoll, while "tidy" is a generic valleys and south east Wales term for something being great or "sound". ColachoColacho (talk) 20:44, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Colacho. 'Dap', 'tidy' and 'lush' are not exclusive to the city; maybe they once were and have spread, but if so it was a significant time ago and should be identified as such. Other features listed as Cardiff-specific seem to relate to other parts of South Wales as well. Importantly, there is no mention of the Welsh language influence - e.g. the use of the æ sound is common in other parts of South East Wales and is linked to the ancient Gwenhwyseg dialect of Welsh. (See http://cy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwenhwyseg, no English article yet). Any linguists out there who can clear up this article? :) Huwbwici (talk) 20:43, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm from Barry and I can't believe that anyobne from England would mistake a Cardiff accent for a valleys one! We used to use a lot of Welsh expressions like ych-y-fi and cwch - do these get used in Cardiff too? What about usages such as red sauce, baps (for bread rolls) and 'a scissors' or 'a shears'? All the 'Cardiff' words are Barry ones too. The East-end of Barry (Gibbonsdown) has a lot of sounds near to Cardiff, but as kids we used to mimic 'keardiff' voices. Wasn't "'Ark, 'ark, a lark in Cardiff Arms Park!" Frabnk Hennesey's jingle, back in the day? The Yowser (talk) 08:55, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

The article refers to the accent of the Valleys being 'more strongly Welsh'. I suggest this is taken out - what makes the Valleys accent more 'Welsh' than the Cardiff accent? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richardnosworthy (talk • contribs) 17:59, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Differences from Standard English
This section contains some serious errors, and needs rewriting - that's what I'm going to do.

Common differences of the Cardiff accent from Standard English or Received Pronunciation include:
 * Vowels
 * The realization of by
 * here pronounced  or  in broader accents
 * A more open pronunciation of as in love and other
 * is widely realised as, giving a pronunciation of Cardiff as Kaddiff


 * Consonants
 * and, the latter found in Welsh words as 'ch', are used interchangeably when using a Welsh word in English
 * Mynachdy as or
 * -ing realised as -in  at the end of a word
 * singing as singin
 * is often omitted
 * that as at
 * as in sweet may be realised without lip-rounding, making it closer to a velar approximant
 * Aspiration is stronger in the stressed syllables of, , and
 * Glottalisation is weaker, especially in broader forms of the accent; that is the pronunciation of between two vowels or the last letter after a vowel at the end of a sentence
 * kitten as ki-uhn
 * may be dropped from words, as in some other urban accents of English.
 * human as yuman
 * and are usually realised as  and
 * tube as chube  ('ch' as in 'church', not 'sh')
 * Wasn't, and similar words such as doesn't and isn't, may be realised with a under the influence of a nasal vowel rather than , producing  or just.
 * A final cluster is sometimes realised as
 * It's dead is realised as iss-ded
 * He gets chips as he gess chips
 * Final pre-consonantal and  may be dropped
 * started collecting as starteh collecting

Main differences from other Welsh variations of English
Common differences that are unique to the Cardiff accent, and not widely found in other varieties of Welsh English include:
 * is often realised as the more open in words like are, hard and Cardiff. This can give a quite iconic local pronunciation of Cardiff Arms Park
 * Open-mid back vowel is realised as the more central vowel
 * before vowels,, and dark is pronounced clearer than in other South Wales varieties, 'breaking' rather than rolling into the following word
 * Vowels are generally closer to Received Pronunciation in Cardiff English than in other Welsh varieties, but with a tighter inner lip rounding

Examples
Mr KEBAB (talk) 15:37, 26 May 2016 (UTC)