Talk:Carnauba wax

Edible?
Is carnuba edible? Presumably. But I don't know and this article doesn't say. Hmmm.... 205.250.210.98 (talk) 06:17, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

CJOB
What the heck is a CJOB? Polymath69 11:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

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 * This article mentions carnauba wax as being the same as palm wax. However, the narrative says the source of the wax is palm leaves, while candle makers say palm wax comes from the fruit of the tree.  Also note that candles are not listed here as being a use for carnauba wax.  Perhaps some disambiguation is in order here?  There is no listing in Wikipedia for palm wax!  Amazing!  Sharkface (talk) 16:13, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

responce on wax from the carnauba fruit
Hende talk questions weather the palm wax origens from the fruit of the palm, or from the leaves, I have just been doing groundwork on the carnauba wax production and the wax production is entirely based on the leaves. The fruits of the palm have other properties, as it can be eaten by animals, used as fertilizer etc. Guess the candle produces must have got it wrong on their website, though it sounds good :-)

Aliencow (talk) 15:01, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

May be Copernicia cerifera is a real plant that is the source of carnauba wax?
Subj. --= APh =-- (talk) 22:47, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

SPAM
Spam Link was added for GE Chaplin Inc - Custom Manufacturer of Carnauba compounds. Visiting their website and searching turned up nothing about carnauba. Perhaps additional checking needed to see where else this company has been added. AnimeJanai (talk) 02:13, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Proposed new section (Phases of Production)
Aliencow User_talk:Aliencow added new material, including the following section. I thought this was perhaps too sketchy, and needs to be written in narrative form, not as a list of bullet points, so removed it to here. We should discuss whether to put it in. I also edited the other new sections (Production and Export) to make them shorter and spelled/formatted correctly.

Countryside: The fields

 * 1) Cutting of the leaves from the carnauba palm, with the 5-12 meters bambo stics with blades attached at the end.
 * 2) Collecting and carrying the leaves from the palms with donkeys, to a drying place in the sun.
 * 3) Turning of leaves drying in the sun
 * 4) Beating of the leaves (manually or by machine) to separate wax from leaves

Countryside: The farms

 * 1) Boiling of powder with water in barrels, afterwards cooling
 * 2) The cooled-down wax are hammered to small pieces

The factories

 * 1) Purification of the crude wax by heating/boiling, filtering to remove impurities, cooling and dissolving to flakes or powder
 * 2) Export to customers around the world

Whesse (talk) 21:50, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Proposal to remove the new sections added in July 2012
The two new sections just added ("Contracting Process" and "Criticism of farmers working conditions") do not add much new information to the article. Most of the first section just repeats what is said in the article's first paragraph, and the second section just describes the conditions of many farmers in most agricultural industries in poorer countries - there is nothing specific about Carnauba wax production, or that wouldn't fit better into a general article on agriculture in lesser developed countries.

So I propose to remove these two sections, and revert the article to the state before the changes. If nobody objects in the next few days, I will do this.

Whesse (talk) 23:39, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

In response to Whesse suggestion on removing the parts on "contraction process" and "Criticism of farmers working conditions "
I am sorry that I did not reply in proper time, but I’m currently travelling in Brazil doing basic research on Carnauba wax production – internet is scarce out here. Thanks for the previous corrections on spelling errors etc and the previous change on the page. However I disagree with some of the points you made:


 * It is true that two or three words are about the process is mentioned in the first 3 lines of the Carnauba page. However that is a basic 3 line introduction. I have added the chain of production from the tree to the consumers which is by all means relevant to understand the production of the wax – I do not understand your comments on bullet points being wrong in an encyclopedia – it is exactly the point to make an easy but thorough overview instead of writing a story about it.


 * One can say that peasants might have bad work conditions in 3rd world countries in general (Brazil is definitely moving in to the first world zone). But my comment is on specific issues regarding carnauba work (boiling wax damages etc) – it is well documented and been debated in the media around Europe and might be common knowledge to you but not necessarily to the average person that is interested in carnauba. I am of the opinion that the people like you who might have this insight can scroll past the part about working conditions so that the rest of less informed can get this insight.

I would like to start a debate if necessary, so we can find the best solution, on how to make a god article with relevant and easy accessible information. Otherwise I will edit the page, and add the section on Phases of production with bullet points to give a quick overview, and re-add the part on carnauba farmers working conditions.

The change will be made, when I have access time on my hand, if there is no objection. Otherwise I will answer the debate.

Aliencow (talk) 14:56, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

AGREE! I'd like more of this info from someone who is an expert on the subject. Please do it... Aliencow?205.250.210.98 (talk) 06:20, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

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Purity-/hardness levels?
This article mentions three purity levels; T1, T3 and T4. However, it does not say anything about which level is what (i.e which is the least/most pure). From what I have (vaguely) gathered from other sources purity also affects hardness of the wax. In which way? It would be useful if the article could mention this (because that was the reason I was looking up the article in the first place). Thanks! :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:700:200:10:4149:AFF7:1B3B:E6CE (talk) 08:01, 18 September 2018 (UTC)