Talk:Catgirl/Archive 1

Cute
Uh..they are cute ^_^ &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.53.21.41 (talk &bull; contribs).

Nuku Nuku
I think the comment on Nuku Nuku as a "quite different type of catgirl" is a good point, but maybe ambiguous, as her missing furry ears or tail is not mentioned on either this page or the linked Nuku Nuku page. I don't feel confident in my English knowledge to write a sentence explaining, on either page. It would be appreciated if someone else could do it. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.169.24.80 (talk &bull; contribs).


 * I guess if Nuku Nuku should really be listed, since she is a cat/human android with human looking. It's a different kind of "cat-girl" than the explained in this article. Also, the catgirl insult statement seems strange or something regional. MilesMi 18:47, Dec 26, 2004 (UTC)

Catgirl and insult?
Is catgirl really an insult to any fangirl? At least it doesn't seems so to me when they are the ones wearing cat ears. Where did that came from? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 148.240.68.2 (talk &bull; contribs).


 * I think the catgirl image has become part of the stereotype of the 'screaming fangirl' in anime fandom. In cosplay circles, as well, a catgirl might be seen as someone who can't or won't spend time on a costume, puts on a tail and a pair of ears, and considers herself 'dressed up'.


 * That said, I know a couple of regular catgirls (regular, as in they wear cat gear around the city on a regular basis) and neither of them fit the 'screaming fangirl' image. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by CamTarn (talk &bull; contribs).


 * I also get the very strong impression that there exists an animosity of sorts towards catgirls. I have seen numerous diatribes and such against catgirls, even a call for people to "Please, spay your catgirl." I feel that this attitude perhaps stems from the disdain which many hold for the furry fandom. --203.23.157.203 15:13, 22 December 2005 (UTC)


 * "Spay or neuter your catgirl" comes from Something Positive - and this cartoon in particular. It's the bogokawaiiiiiiii thing, not the furry bit. IMVHO. --moof 08:11, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Kisa and Kyo
About Kisa and Kyo from Fruits Basket, I don't think they belong on the page. Sometimes they're displayed with feline ears and/or tail, but it's just a display, to show cuteness (for Kisa) or anger (for Kyo). In "reality", they're either all human or all feline. -- Khym Chanur 05:58, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)

Foxgirls, doggirls and so...
I don't see any problem with foxgirls and other species being specified on this article, since:


 * 1) The article is very clear where it says:
 * "Catgirl" can also be modified to refer to other woman/animal combinations that are sometimes found, usually mammals like foxgirls and (more rarely) doggirls.
 * 1) Removing this information from this article will lead to someone, somewhere, start wondering why don't we have articles for foxgirls, doggirls, squirrelgirls, parrotgirls...
 * 2) Catgirls was just the first japanese obsession of this kind, which lead the name. Today, catgirls are still the most common, but there is no real differentiation from other animal girls.
 * 3) Usually, catgirl fans like animal girls (and sometimes boys too) in general, not just catgirls.
 * 4) Most shows don't limit themselves to just catgirls. There are shows (Inuyasha, Magical nyan-nyan Taruto, Hyper Police, Tokyo Mew Mew...) where you see many different species togheter.

For these reasons, I'm reverting back User:69.104.35.104's changes. If anyone disagree, please comment. --Miles 22:58, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * I have created an article for kemonomimi which covers all animalgirls/boys and is in fairly common usage. If you read the Playboy Bunny article, it mentions Japan and bunnygirls, so I'm not sure if catgirls or bunnygirls was the first obsession of its kind? - Squilibob 07:10, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Foxgirl image
Why is there an image of a foxgirl on a page titled "catgirl"? I got plenty replacements if you want 'em ;) - Signed, Kyoufu Kawa &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.157.236.101 (talk &bull; contribs).

"Cat ears" would be a better title
I think "Catgirl" is a somewhat inaccurate title for this phenomenon, because it's not really about the cat + human girl merger, but more about the cuteness of the cat ears. See for example Tsukuyomi - Moon Phase, where the Gothic Lolita vampire girl wears a cat ear accessory, or Utada Hikaru's CD jacket cover for Easy Breezy where the artist herself wears cat ears. Also I think the "Catgirl" title unnecessarily excludes boys with cat ears, as seen in the manga/anime "Loveless." —MangoCurry 7 July 2005 23:07 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but 'catgirl' is much better known. -Litefantastic 8 July 2005 00:07 (UTC)
 * I agree but "Nekomimi"(Lit trans: Cat Ears) would be more factual, And it includes the catboys. --Theredstarswl 06:20, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that nekomimi and cat girls are related but different phenomenons. The former are rather an adventurous decoration emphasizing cuteness whereas the latter is (usually) a complete costume and more a kind of role-playing. Handling both in the same article is probably fine but they should be distinguished in the text. --82.141.60.31 08:58, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, From what I have seen "Nekomimi" is used largely for art/anime while Catgirl is used mostly for Cossplay but is also used for art/anime. --Theredstarswl 00:32, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Nei and Rika
A much argued topic from long ago, I wish to clear up the Numan (newman) race being a cat type. In the Nei's Adventure telemodem game, there is a certain grass that Nei feels a sense of happiness when she approaches it and picks it up. This grass turns out to be catnip in fact. Also during this game she makes friends very easily with cats, some of which are vital to finishing this game. Numans are the result of science in the series trying to combine a beast with a human. It is rumored that they were fashioned after the race that Myau was. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by CatguyPaladin (talk &bull; contribs).

Article mergers of Kemonomimi and Catgirl
In any case, the two articles have been suggested for merger. My opinion is that it probably should be merged together, whether one title or another (probably as Catgirl, since that's the more familiar term to laymen), but they need to be merged.--み使い Mitsukai 19:48, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I also think they should be merged. What about [Category:Kemonomimi], though? --moof 20:47, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Catgirl can be placed in there, and it can remain as is. Othewise, it can be sent to CFD for renaming as needed.--み使い Mitsukai 20:58, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I support merging the articles under Kemonomimi, as a catgirl is a kemonomimi, but not vice versa. --日本穣 21:03, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I would have to disagree, while it is true that Catgirls would fall under Kemonomimi, Catgirls make up an incredibly large group of the Kemonomimi, possibly over 95%, it is more than likely if somebody is searching for this information, they are searching for "Catgirls" and havent even heard the term Kemonomimi. Not to mention that this would confuse anyone that is unfamiliar with either terms and attempting to look up information on them. Finally, the words are highly different, "Catgirls" is the english way of saying Nekomimi (Literally "Cat Ears", Japan's equivelent of saying Catgirl (Nekomusume)) while "Kemonomimi" is a Japanese word for "Beast Ears", basically our equivelent of saying "Animalgirls", it dosent make sense to merge an English word under a Japanese word, nor would it make sense to change "Catgirl" to "Nekomimi" since it would make this information harder to locate for people that do not unow anything about Japanese. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.12.218.236 (talk &bull; contribs).


 * The articles should remain separate, as said above. The catgirls have many supporters who aren't quite interested in other kemonomimi. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.11.246.244 (talk &bull; contribs).


 * I also agree articles should remain seperate. If you combine these, you may as well as combine in Kitsunes and such. Really, putting Kemonomimi as part of Catgirl is just making it harder for people to find something.Dragon Hilord 22:58, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree, we should keep intact and separate this article under the "Catgirl" name. I leave kemonomimi as is, as I don't know what it really means however. :) But most people may search for catgirls or nekomimi, the latter is a redirection page, soo it's taking here. --Rev-san 20:40, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Well I admit that Kemonomimi is not in very common usage, but it is being used on some imageboards so I thought it was gaining enough usage to have a wikipedia article. - Squilibob 07:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

If Kemonomimi is going to be kept, then the List of Catgirls needs to be thinned out and the kemonomimi need to be moved over there.--み使い Mitsukai 13:44, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok--Squilibob 14:15, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The topic of Kemonomimi is so wide, you can't really combine them and honestly think somebody wouldn't change it back eventually. For one thing, it means (and i quote) Kemonomimi is an anime and manga terminology that describes characters that possess animal like features. If anything, other catagories like Kitsunes, Gryphon, Phoenix and so on. While minor, it's hardly a task to find information about characters. To thin out the list maybe a good idea, but I think it would be much easier for people looking for content with that context in mind. Adult-oriented show characters may be good to weed out for the younger audience, but overall, you're just removing from the information of wikipedia, information meant to be shared openly. Dragon Hilord 23:26, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I vote that the two articles should remain seperate, but with clearer links between them - Although Catgirls are a form of Kemonomimi, this term is not in common usage and may confuse casual anime fans. Catgirls are the most popular form of Kemonomimi and should get there own category.--Crais459 07:40, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't especially think they should be merged. Catgirls are so popular that they need their own category, and yet Kemonomimi is the broader term. It can be argued that anyone looking for info is interested in catgirls, but I came looking to find out what the blanket term for characters with animal features was. My interest was sparked by InuYasha and Loveless. In both cases, the main character is a male Kemonomimi and not a catgirl at all.


 * Ok I've removed the merge tags. --Squilibob 00:06, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Catgirl pic on article
I have two objections to it: Thoughts on these items? --日本穣 22:28, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) It's clearly advertising a specific site, and we shouldn't be promoting any one site over any other
 * 2) I don't think it should be any larger than 250px on the main article. If someone wants a bigger version, they can click on the pic and get a full size copy. I can edit the pic to remove the reference to the site it's from. As long as it's still attributed, I don't think that should be a problem.
 * Well, I don't think it's that big viewed in 1280x960, but do as you wish. However it's a nice illustration, I don't mind if you leave it this way... About the advertising: perhaps it's almost clearly visible, but 1) if I want to search for such images, I check multiple webpages, not just this one, and 2) the site in question is in the Links section too, amongst others, and it's not the first in the list. And I think it's hard to find a quality image without advertising/copyright message on it. Hmmm, it is allowed to modificate a picture which is copyrighted, and represents a website? (Besides, that site is really worth advertising. ^^) --Rev-san 20:29, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I can probably come up with something, but it'd have to be after I finish with the Anime and manga barnstar. ^_^;;;--み使い Mitsukai 20:35, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. (^_^) --日本穣 22:47, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I've reduced the size of the article pic. --日本穣 22:47, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I also think we could get a better picture, Nihon's reasons are already enough but that picture shows her underwear and some of my uploaded pictures were removed for that reason >_<
 * As for a serious reason, I think it'd be better to use a much more common catgirl such as Ichigo, Dejiko, Koboshi or some other well known anime character. - Squilibob 07:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I changed it to the Darkstalkers catgirl (Felicia, IIRC), but someone changed it back. --日本穣 08:54, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Changed the image to Dejiko, and going to list the other one for IFD just in case.--み使い Mitsukai 14:08, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well well, this new picture is kawaii, but I think it's not demonstrating the 'catgirl' idea clearly (I suppose former pic did), so I would put in a picture of Ichigo from TMM. Now she's kawaii, AND really shows how a catgirl looks like. ^_^ --Rev-san 19:20, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm, we can have more than one picture. As I suggested Dejiko is a well known catgirl and so is Ichigo. Add an Ichigo pic to the article as well if you like. The more examples the better the reader's understanding - Squilibob 08:19, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * And with that I've added a few more pics from existing uploaded images --Squilibob 23:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I have to say that im not exactly too happy with the current pictures right now either. At the moment we have Di GI Charat, Ichigo, Hazuki, and Koboshi on the catgirl page. While they all have catears, Ichigo is the only actual catgirl out of all of those four, the rest wear fake ears, half the time Hazuki dosent even wear them. While girls wearing fake catears does slightly fall into the "catgirl" category, I think it would be better if the larger majority of the pictures on the page were of actual catgirls instead of anime girls cosplaying as one, as with these images it almost makes it seem like a catgirl literally is a human girl with fake catears. —This unsigned comment was added by 24.12.218.236 (talk • contribs).
 * Well ok. Who do you suggest should be on the page? --Squilibob 03:25, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Trimming of External links
Folks, this is not an advertising zone for your favorite (or your own) catgirl-oriented webcomics. While one or two may be exemplary, over half the links were nothing but, and that is hardly encyclopedic. Editors, we need to keep better control of what goes on the page, or else those who are so inclined (you know who they are) will put this thing on AFD fast enough to make your neko-ears pop.--み使い Mitsukai 22:36, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Do you think we might need some type of regulation? I mean, there are some webcomics that have their own wiki so I don't think its that haphazard to post links, however, I always felt that it would be a little too cluttered to post catgirls and kemonomimi from non-officially published works (Games, Anime, Manga, and the like that were actually published, not webcomics and dojunshi). Since there are possibly hundreds if not thousands of fan-creations with kemonomimi, it would be too difficult to attempt to list them all.

I disagree. Wikipedia is a place to share. In this case, links. Over 20 links may just be calling for Catgirls to have its own "link" page. Some things are redundant like thoes covered by the Webring, and should be removed. Obviously adversiting is not what this is meant for, but you have to cut slack. If you want an example of a links page, check out Free audio software. Offical works, and very well-known works should remain.Dragon Hilord 22:56, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia policy on this can be found at WP:EL. The jist of it for fansites is this: Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such. In extreme cases, a link to a web directory of fansites can replace this link. (Note: fanlistings are generally not informative and should not ordinarily be included.) So if there is a webring or a website with a listing of catgirl fansites, the single external link that is allowed should be linked to that site according to our policy --Squilibob 01:03, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I see your point. Well presented ^_^. I must say though that if you remove a link, you should trace around to see if it is covered by a webring. If not, leaving it be would be the best course of action until it turns up in a ring (members of webrings usually show a webring access bar somewhere on the main page, or on parts of all).Dragon Hilord 23:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I've added a description to the "Sky Lounge Garden" external link because it points directly to softcore pornography... is this the kind of catgirl content we want this article to link to? fruitofwisdom 23:44, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Neko-jin
I always thought the Japanese word for cat people was neko jin. Why is this not implimented or what does that really mean or whatever -anon —This unsigned comment was added by 84.12.200.138 (talk • contribs).


 * Yes, neko (ねこ or 猫) means cat and jin (じん or 人) means person, however, I don't know if Japanese-speakers actually use this particular term. Maybe someone else can verify. fruitofwisdom 23:59, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Can't say I've ever heard of this term either.--み使い Mitsukai 15:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Technically nekojin means cat-person, but the term used is nekomimi. Dee man45 19:18, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I think its more used as "Cat Person" literally(as someone who obsessed with cats e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crazy_Cat_Lady#Crazy_Cat_Lady ) MidNiteNeko 18:28, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Paring down Examples list
Is anyone else concerned that a: the examples section is getting a tad bit long and b: there are quite a bit of webcomic references there?

I propose that we pare the list down to notable examples, and leave webcomics off it unless the webcomic itself has an article on WP. Any thoughts?--み使い Mitsukai 15:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Webcomics with their own article deserve a spot, and most anime and manga that have articles.  Also, if a character only briefly appears as a catgirl, as in one moment in a single espisode, I don't think that merits putting it down.Dee man45 15:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me --Squilibob 01:19, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I've made a webcomics section, see if they're notable or not. A lot of the examples are in the other section when they should not be. Anyone who has seen the anime/manga these characters are in, please move them to their correct section. I've moved all the girls that I know of to their correct sections. --Squilibob 05:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, way way WAY too many lists. In fact, listing cat girl characters should be done outside Wiki. KyuuA4 06:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Besides, we always put notable catgirls in a category, which would be much more practical than a list. Shinobu 09:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Catgirl/Catboy
Shouldn't this article be titled Catgirl/Catboy?
 * No that's what redirects are for. --Squilibob 23:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It is now done Ben Rogers 04:05, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Aren't Eluruu and Aruruu DOG-girls rather than catgirls?
 * They appear to be dog girls, so they've been moved to the Others list
 * If they are doggirls then they should be on the Kemonomimi page. It's only a catgirl/catboy list. --Squilibob 23:36, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Images
I've struck off two images from the four which were serving to illustrate precisely the same thing. Would you expect to have four seperate images of David Beckham on his article? No, of course you wouldn't. There's two. Four seperate images of what a catgirl is makes for a poor encyclopedia. We can understand from one what a catgirl is. ShizuokaSensei 15:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * David Beckham nearly always looks like David Beckham. Catgirls do not all look the same; so having multiple illustrations to show the range of variation, is more useful with catgirls than with David Beckham.  Better articles to compare to would be Cat or Girl - each of which contains far more illustrations than Catgirl.216.59.228.13 17:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the current image being used as an example of a catgirl is a poor choice. There are much better ones out there. I think it needs to be replaced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.170.28 (talk) 03:13, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

List of Catgirls
This list is large, bulky, and unnecessary. --KyuuA4 19:18, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Is there a meaningful difference between "large" and "bulky"? --216.75.189.61 03:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes. "Bulky" has connotations of being hard to deal with and awkward and when applied to information, perhaps ill-thought out. "Large" is just... large. --Gwern (contribs) 04:47 9 February 2007 (GMT)

I don't agree. Encyclopedias are commonly quite bulky, I think. And, my opinion that this list has information value, even if long. For example, Edward comes here to read about catgirls. He is fascinated, and would like to know some anime/game/movie with catgirls it in. Thus, he could check this list. I suggest to move this list to a separate "List of..."-style article. --Rev-san 15:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * We've already got a million and one "lists of..." on Wikipedia. Can't hurt to have one more. -masa ♫  00:50, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I've just made the article, over at List of catgirls, and removed the list from this page (list as it was). Could do with some cleaning up and having some links to it though... -masa ♫  01:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, untidy lists have a tenancy to get deleted. Isn't that why we moved it off the main catgirl page in the first place though? --Squilibob 14:35, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Bagi
Shouldn't the classic Bagi by Osamu_Tezuka fit somewhere in there?
 * Agreed. Bagi is now listed!

Bagi is a furry. Shes has fully animal paws/face and covered entirely with fur.MidNiteNeko 18:30, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Ortega a catboy?
You have listed Ortega in your list of catboys. Ortega dosen't really seem catlike to me though...he just has a mane. Don't you think he should be deleted from the list?

Asuka from Evangelion?
How about Asuka Langley Sohryu?

Her eva head things make me think catgirl whenever I see her, as does the sly wide-mouth thing she'll do. Thoughts?


 * Catgirl-like, perhaps. But I wouldn't call her a catgirl. --maru  (talk)  contribs 23:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

She is just an anime girl. Catgirls would have a tail and cat ears. MidNiteNeko 18:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

List in Separate Article
Should the list be separated out into a different article? I thought it was convention for extensive lists to be put in their articles (with titles starting with "List of"). --L33tminion | (talk) 06:07, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This article is just a list anyway with a good lead section. Maybe the article could be renamed? --Squilibob 23:36, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this article needs to be complete revamped one way or the other. --SeizureDog 00:41, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Catgirls outside of Anime
I was wonder if the list should mention Catgirls outside of Anime/Manga/Games. For example: In the works of Cordwainer Smith, Underpeople are animals who are genetically munipulated to look human and have human intellgence. One important character in Smith's works is C'mell, a cat-derived Underperson.--Eldarone 00:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, go ahead! This could be the start of a section of American versions of Catgirls, not merely the all-Japanese account we currently have. --maru  (talk)  contribs 03:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Began writing a section. Still in progress:

Catgirls outside of Anime

Catgril characters are also found outside of anime, manga, and video games. Often, such catgirls often look more like humanoid cats than their Japanese counterparts. Fantasy games have catgirl characters, such as Magic: The Gathering ' s Mirri. Some live-action shows and movies, as well as western comics and animation, have featured various cat-like characters, in addition to their occasional appearance in classis of Western science-fiction, like Cordwainer Smith's cat-derived Underperson C'Mell (who appears in Norstrilia and The Rediscovery of Man). --Eldarone 15:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say rename the Live action catgirls section to Catgirls outside of Anime, include the small list at the bottom of your paragraph and include webcomic catgirls in it somehow. It's good content and will break up the list a bit. --Squilibob 08:24, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


 * If you mean add the "Live-action Catgirls" section to the "Catgrils outside of anime" section, I don't really see a problem with that --Eldarone 18:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes that's what I'm suggesting. --Squilibob 23:19, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Catgirls and Furries
This section sounds alot like Orginal research. Should it be deleted or not?--Eldarone 21:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If it is original research then yes. The sentence about catgirl being a term to describe a stereotypical hyperactive and obnoxious fangirl seems to be uncited and OR as well. --Squilibob 06:57, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm going to remove the stereotype refrence because it is 100% inaccurate Ben Rogers 04:06, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Fansites
In line with Wikipedia policy on fansites, all but the webring has been moved from External links again. --Squilibob 06:57, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Can't think how to write this but it needs working in...
In anime/manga catgirls usually fit one of two different character types- either the 'cute one' or the 'sexy one'. I think this warrants mention but...This isn't my article and I can't think how to mention it decently.--Josquius 12:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * They may often be perceived by their fanbase as being cute or sexy, granted. But the adjectives cute and sexy are for some people not mutually exclusive, and I know that many people use the two words synonymously. Plus there are different opinions on what qualifies as cute, and especially sexy. It might come as a shock to some people, but most people don't find 'cartoons' sexy =P I'm almost certain that no source could be cited, and it'd all be opinion anyway. So yeah... I understand where you're coming from and agree that they do for the most part fall into those two categories, but I really don't think that it would make for good encyclopaedic content. -Masamunemaniac 15:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Neko
It needs to be changed back to neko. Obviously "Catgirls" won't work since there is a "Cat boys" section.


 * "Neko" means "cat". This is not an article about cats.  Also, "neko" is the Japanese word for "cat", and is not a word used in English by any significant population - violating the rule that the name for a Wikipedia article should be the correct name for the subject in the language the article is written in.  "Neko" (written in Japanese script) should be, and is, the name of ネコ - the article about cats on Japanese Wikipedia.  But "neko" shouldn't be the name of any article on English Wikipedia (except as a proper name, e.g. Neko Case), nor of any article about catgirls.


 * Catgirls and catboys are not correctly called "neko" in any language; "nekomimi" is what they're usually called in Japanese, "catgirls" and "catboys" are the usual words in English, and several other terms are discussed in the article. All of those redirect to the current article.


 * A more appropriate thing to do, instead of changing this article's name, would be to split the list of catboys into a separate article about catboys. It's also questionable whether any of the lists in the current article are really worth maintaining; their encyclopedic value is questionable.129.97.79.144 21:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I think we should split the whole list into a List of catgirls or List of nekomimi characters (for gender inclusiveness), and keep this article as a discussion of catgirls in popular culture (not just in animanga). Then talk about things like Cats (musical) and Catwoman or something. _dk 00:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I like that idea. Nekomimi is really Eastern specific though so I have split the list into two sections: Anime, manga and video games and Western. That way a List of nekomimi characters can be easily created and be separate from characters like Catwoman from Batman. I believe that catgirls/boys in Japanese popular culture is quite different from the western view and the article states that already. --Squilibob 07:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

There is a difference between characters which are viewed as completely human cosplaying a catgirl(with fake ears),compeltely human transforming into a catgirl(with animal traits usually) temporarily and natural permanent catgirls which are mostly human (ears/tail are biologicallly different). MidNiteNeko 18:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Wayward Catgirls
Can we make a seticon about the Wide home for Wayward Catgirls, or evin an new page? Anubiz 21:45, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Nope, see WP:N. I say we go one better and remove the external link to the site. It has next to no Google hits... it was last updated about five months ago... it mostly only contains characters of the artist's own creation... the links it has are either japanese, poor engrish, broken or just random kemonomimi hentai... the layout is appalling and the link names meaningless... I really see nothing gained from linking to it at all. The CRF link is just about as bad. -masa ♫  01:22, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Shesh you did not have to bite my head off about it, I was just asking a qustion. Last time I cheaked the extrinal links are for the sites, not the sites they link to.Anubiz 01:27, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I didn't mean for that to be snappy at you. If I were the type to be annoyed by what randoms done on the internet, my ire would be pointed at Lyta79, who sneaked it in as a minor edit. But anyway, yeah, most of what I said is about the site itself, I just mentioned the site's links because that's pretty much the only content aside from the artist's own art and pages for selling it. -masa ♫  11:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

It is nice art. Anubiz 13:34, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Can you cite that? =P -masa ♫  16:23, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeas here http://www.bewildered-art.com/catgirls/drama/Viola.html see it's good. Anubiz 16:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Touché... but we are playing chess, not fencing. -masa ♫  00:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Playing chess? Anyway I do not know what I was supposed to do to cite that the art was nice, so I just put some particular that I liked and hoped that would work. Anubiz 13:50, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Considered Furry?
Are anime catgirls considered furry? I can't get a clear answer from Google. 72.69.211.25 04:08, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Most people would and do say no, but as there's no definite definition of what is or isn't a 'furry' there's no definite answer. Also, there are some borderline characters - such as Katt or Felicia - more would consider these as furry than people would consider, say, Ichigo Momomiya as furry.
 * Basically: Just ears and tail, no. Anything more, depends. -masa ♫  06:10, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Furry is an anthropomorphized animal. Catgirls are like humans with several mutations(ears,tail,etc). MidNiteNeko 18:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the answers. That's what I thought, MNN, but some people were giving me a different answer.  That's why I asked. :) 72.69.75.81 12:47, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Ichigo is a good example of a catgirl and its could be used instead of wikipe-tan with ears MidNiteNeko 11:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipe-tan is a neutral example. KyuuA4 16:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Off-topic
Why is the section on "personality traits" all about boys? 129.97.79.144 17:26, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That's... a very good question. Also, could we get a source on that? -masa ♫  20:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Human ears
On the picture of Wikipe-tan, human ears are clearly visible. Is this an error? Which pair is she supposed to hear through? (And now that I think of it, the usual placement of catgirl ears implies some unlikely internal anatomy &mdash; where do the ear canals reside?) - Sikon (talk) 11:46, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Many catgirls are understood to really be human (or at least humanoid) girls wearing fake cat ears. Dejiko from Di Gi Charat is the canonical example.  The ears are typically attached to a hair band that fits over the head - and such hair bands with ears are a readily available commercial product in real life.  My guess is that Wikipe-tan is being depicted as that type of catgirl.  In such a case the cat ears wouldn't hear or move - they'd be just for appearance.  However, some catgirls in anime and manga are depicted as having both human-like and cat-like ears as natural parts of their bodies, and there's usually no explanation or elaboration offered as to why that would be the case or how the biology is supposed to work.  You just have to use suspension of disbelief. 129.97.58.55 (talk) 19:41, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Let's get to the real issue. I'm sick of seeing Wikipe-tan plastered all over the place. Let's get a new image in here. Please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.168.241.144 (talk) 23:13, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * There's Kiss me - a yuri picture with two catgirls... --Malkinann (talk) 01:01, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

The Web Comic 'Something Positive'
Has running gags about 'catgirls'. They sell a 'Spay Your Catgirl' tshirt. The catgirls aren't portrayed nicely in the comic.

The current story line carries on at a comic convention, where two of the main characters of the story, who wrote a comic pandering to catgirls are faced with their adoring audience for the first time. It goes gruesomely downhill from there. http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp11152008.shtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.117.91.148 (talk) 19:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Second Life
'Neko' is a very large subculture in the MMOG Second life. Perhaps this could be mentioned in the article, although I am not sure where. And it also raises the question of the name of the article again: the style is equally popular with male and female players, and also it is commonly known as neko. Steve (talk) 06:46, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Second Life would also be a good source for a valid additional image for the article, illustrating the concept's expansion outside manga and anime. Steve (talk) 06:51, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Nekomimi link
There is a link in the article to Nekomimi, but this just redirects to the same page. I suggest you either remove the link, or make a page there, or something, because making a link to the page you're currently on is pointless. 65.78.144.186 (talk) 02:34, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Intro
shouldnt it be "A catgirl is a human female with cat ears..." in the introduction? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.18.185.73 (talk) 20:38, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

relation to furries
cat girls are considered furries. furries are any mixture of human and animal. most furries are covered in fur or wear furry suits, this is what often leads to the confusion about whether catgirls are furries. becuase cat girls are a mixture of human and animal triats this makes them furries. a large number of catgirl fans say they are not furries. this is why it has become a heated debate across the internet.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Yeah32 (talk • contribs)
 * Please provide a full citation to a reliable source and we can consider adding this content. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 05:14, 7 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Your reply is obviously trolling to the point where even the reference refused to load and support your troll — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnSmith13345 (talk • contribs) 18:48, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

This article needs a lot of work
Just a heads up, I will be working on this in a few hours. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:44, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 21 October 2019
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 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Page moved as the page was moved out of process and there is no evidence of any other usage of the word having as signifcant a usage. Also WP:SNOW. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 20:03, 23 October 2019 (UTC) ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 20:03, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

– Page was moved away from the primary namespace citing that it's "exclusively about the anime and manga concept". But "catgirl" as a compound word has a clear primary topic in the anime and manga character design, and massive pop culture significance in anime and manga. I'm not seeing the WP:NOPRIMARY here. For the record, anthropomorphic cats like Khajiit would not be considered "catgirls", it solely refers to the "cat ears on head" kind. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 20:32, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Catgirl (anime and manga) → Catgirl
 * Catgirl → Catgirl (disambiguation)


 * Support. Primary topic by miles.  1 exceedingly minor DC comics character, 1 slightly more relevant comics character but who also doesn't normally go by Catgirl, a forgotten 1950s film of no import, and a webcomic not notable enough for its own page (although I recall actually reading & enjoying it...).  Nekomata & Bakeneko are somewhat related - but only because the anime meaning is so strong that people are interested in cat-like Japanese mythological figures that are somewhat related.  And at risk of pointing out the obvious, those two topics are not exclusive to girls.  SnowFire (talk) 21:47, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * As a side note, this move was so recent that I'd say there's good grounds to just use WP:RMTR as a revert to an undiscussed move, if you wanted. SnowFire (talk) 21:49, 21 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Support - its clear that the primary topic leads to anime and manga references. On a side note... Nekomata & Bakeneko may also be both genders. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:18, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Support This is the primary topic. I'm not satisfied that the other topics merit the disambiguation page being the prime page for the title "Catgirl". Also useless categorical and wordy name. Tutelary (talk) 00:22, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Support, preferably ASAP since the move was out of process and could have just been reverted. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 12:40, 22 October 2019 (UTC)


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