Talk:Celebrity Family Feud

Merge proposal
Merge with Family Feud, despite different host, network, and slightly tweaked 60-minute format...... like the All-Star edition from the 70s as well as the Challenge version from the 90s... both of which are in the same article. Megastar LV ( talk ) 03:06, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Episode list
I removed the unreferenced episode results section. Episode ratings, contestant teams and game winners are all unsourced. This is not a television series with fictional plot synopses, and content such as this is not appropriate to be chronicled in an article. Information on individual game show episodes is sub-trivial and not instrumental to understanding the topic in the manner that fictional/dramatized TV series episodes are, and the specific details of results from a television game show episode do not meet WP:GNG. Content also fails WP:NOT and WP:IINFO.

Similar discussions regarding why this content is not appropriate can be found here:
 * Articles for deletion/List of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? UK episodes
 * Articles for deletion/List of Hollywood Game Night episodes
 * Articles for deletion/List of The X Factor (UK) episodes
 * Articles for deletion/List of The Chase (UK game show) episodes
 * Articles for deletion/List of Deal or No Deal (UK) special episodes
 * Articles for deletion/List of My Family's Got Guts episodes
 * Articles for deletion/List of Figure It Out episodes

AldezD (talk) 13:34, 8 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, AldezD. The reason that WP:EPISODE or those AFDs are unrelated to removing the episode section here is because these Celebrity Family Feud episodes are not making up its own standalone article.  The argument that episode content should not be chronicled in any television article other than fictional/dramatized TV series is absurd- what say you about List of Whose Line Is It Anyway? (U.S. TV series) episodes or List of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver episodes?  The section should of course be cited, but it is wrong to say that episode content is trivial, inappropriate, or indiscriminate information just because it is not dramatized.  --  Wikipedical (talk) 18:51, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I have included inline citations for the dates and ratings. As far as the participants are concerned, the I believe the spirit of MOS:PLOT applies to the episodes here- the basic facts can cite the work itself (i.e. the show) without requiring inline citations.  --  Wikipedical (talk) 19:06, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
 * MOS:PLOT does not apply since that guideline relates to "context of the original fiction". Episodes of a game show do not meet WP:GNG, nor do they meet WP:EPISODE as evidenced in discussion from the seven linked AFDs above, and the content being added (both the participants as well as the ratings) is unsourced. Again, information on individual game show episodes is sub-trivial and not instrumental to understanding the topic. Including non-celebrity episodes in the Family Feud article would also not meet guidelines of WP:GNG nor WP:EPISODE. Stating the content should be included because it now meets WP:GNG/WP:EPISODE since these episodes happen to feature celebrities is not a valid argument. AldezD (talk) 20:11, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
 * You are repeating yourself without elaborating further. WP:EPISODE and the AFDs above apply to standalone episode lists or articles about individual episodes, not articles with episode list sections.  Your own opinion that these episodes are trivial does not further any argument for removal- what policy or guideline on Wikipedia bans episode sections about non-narrative TV series?  Because GNG also applies to the creation of standalone articles.  Celebrity Family Feud certainly has significant coverage in reliable sources.  Also, since I have never suggested that featuring celebrities has any relevance, you are arguing against a straw man on that point.   --  Wikipedical (talk) 20:27, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Further, while the ratings and dates are cited, the families competing do not require an inline citation per WP:PRIMARY: "A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." That means, for all intents and purposes, that it is understood that the families competing can be verified by the episodes themselves. (WP:PRIMARY is the basis of MOS:PLOT, which is what I was referring to above)  --  Wikipedical (talk) 20:37, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Kim Kardashian vs. Caitlyn Jenner vs. Bruce Jenner
Early on in this article, Season 1, Episode 5, Game 1 was "Kim Kardashian vs Deion Sanders". Since then, it was changed to "Caitlyn Janner" and then to "Bruce Jenner". None of these have been sourced, and I've struggled to find any source that supports the official title if one even exists. For now, I've changed it back to the original Kim Kardashian because using either Caitlyn or Bruce Jenner creates gender issues. On one hand, Caitlyn Jenner did not identify as Caitlyn at the time of shooting and therefore an episode title could not reflect her current name. On the other hand, MOS:IDENTITY suggests we should do everything possible to avoid misgendering Caitlyn by listing Bruce Jenner. In the Caitlyn Jenner article, this is achieved by omitting first names wherever possible. Given that all of these potential title names are unsourced, we can do the same thing here by reverting to using "Kim Kardashian", where no issue exists. I was able to find a source that showed that the team was listed as the Kardashians, so it's probably least confusing to readers to have a Kardashian as the name anyway in the absence of some type of official title. If a source was found that listed the episode title as Bruce Jenner vs Deion Sanders, then this should probably be used despite potential gender issues. ~ RobTalk 05:18, 29 June 2015 (UTC)