Talk:Cerebral palsy/Archive 1

I would like to provide an update for the page about cerebral palsy
I would like to offer my services to provide an update for the page about Cerebral Palsy. I have current epidemiological data, more current information about etiologies and hypotheses about etiologies. Please let me know how to go about submitting a draft for review. I also welcome visitors to our website: www.ucpresearch.org and I welcome questions or comments. Mindy Aisen MD, United Cerebral Palsy Research and Educational Foundation maisen@ucpresearch.org —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.125.125 (talk • contribs) 22:37, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Cerebral Palsy or Cerebral Pares?
I have heard that CP means either Cerebral Palsy or Cerebral Pares. What is the difference between these two terms? I'm not a native English speaker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.78.185.199 (talk • contribs) 11:56, 12 August 2005 (UTC)


 * There are no such things as "cerebral pares" in the English language. The correct term for CP is Cerebral palsy. The closest thing to "pares" would be paresis, which is a state of semi-paralysis. Mortek MC 20:36, 2 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Cerebral Palsy is called Cerebral Pares in Swedish. ("cerebral parese" which is what it's called in my native language, Norwegian). As mentioned, "palsy" is the English term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.19.140.9 (talk • contribs) 13:46, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Causes of cerebral palsy numbers wrong
Causes of Cerebral Palsy are listed as 75% during pregnancy, 5% childbirth, 15% childhood. Could these numbers be corrected so they add up to 100% please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrchak (talk • contribs) 19:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Not only do the %'s not add up, the summery page of webmd used as a "source" for this information does not list any percentages of causes. The source is unrelated to the information presented. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.37.47.104 (talk) 07:44, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Can cerebral palsy affect verbal skills?
Can cerebral palsy effect your verbal skills? I know someone with CP, and they can't walk or talk. Someone also told me that his therapist said that the person with CP has a mind of a 3 year old, and the man with cp is 34. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.76.178.200 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, CP can affect your verbal skills. Personally, I would doubt the mental retardation diagnosis, since the man can't talk, even though CP can cause learning difficulty. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frumfree (talk • contribs) 21:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


 * No, CP is in NO way connected with mental retardation, and if a therapist told you that they are ignorant of the issue at hand. CP can lead to social deficits, which can lead to poor performance at school and lack of motivation.  These can secondarily lead to a lessened IQ, but in no way does CP do this primarily. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.136.10.240 (talk • contribs) 00:51, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * CP simply refers to a group of conditions that affect motor movement due to damage to the central nervous system. This does not necessarily mean that there will be mental retardation or not. However, given brain damage in the motor areas of the brain, damage in other areas is far more likely. In this way, CP is associated with mental retardation in a proportion of cases, but not all. Another way that CP can cause developmental retardation is through the lack of enrichment to the affected person's environment - as you might imagine, patients with any physical disability get shunned and thus might end up with less learning opportunities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.97.35.51 (talk • contribs) 14:12, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Topography or Typography?
Is this correct usage of 'typography'?:

"Spastic cerebral palsy is further classified by topography, dependent on the region of the body affected. These typography classifications include: (1) hemiplegia (one side being more affected than the other)" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.112.120.226 (talk • contribs) 11:59, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think from looking at the entries for Topography and Typography neither word is being used in anything like the correct context! TOPography relates to geography and TYPography refers to classification of fonts. lewbrown —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.11.204.52 (talk • contribs) 10:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * True lebrown, but the word topography can also be used in indicating a part of the body. Broom —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.120.29.81 (talk • contribs) 13:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Mental Retardation
There is absolutely NO WAY to KNOW the accuracy of the statement "60% of people with CP have mental retardation" since people often have speech difficulties and cannot adequately convey their intelligence; the vast majority have never been tested in any way. Able-bodied people MAKE ASSUMPTIONS based on appearances and/or speech impairments. Thus, people are not even given a CHANCE, and are never educated or even interacted with in a way that would given them the opportunities to develop what they have. This statement is DUBIOUS in the extreme. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.116.130 (talk • contribs) 03:53, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Absolute nonsense. The author clearly outlines that the mental retardation is related to damage in various parts of the brain. If the brain is damaged, the neurons cannot repair hence it is permanent and therefore it is easy to say from a CT/MRI whether or not someone is more likely to be or will be mentally retarded. If they can't convey language so what, they can still write, see and hear and so should adapt like plenty of able'd blind and deaf people around the world. If these senses are still intact and the child still shows developmental delay there is a high index of suspicion that either they have not received adequate school support or they are indeed mentally retarded. Why do the public seem to think they know better than Doctors, it stuns me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.184.39 (talk • contribs) 23:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Damage to the cortex that results in mental retardation is SEPERATE from CP. CP is STRICTLY a motor/sensory deficit.  If a lessened IQ is observed in a person with CP it is NOT because of the primary condition, but rather from lack of social support.  Damage to the cerebrum that results in mental retardation falls under a DIFFERENT classification than CP.  The two can occur at the same time, but this does not mean that they are the same thing.  One can have Parkinson's and Alzheimers at the same time, one can have Pneumonia and Herpes at the same time... but it doesn't mean they are the same or related.  The above statement "they can still write, see and hear" is complete nonsense, the ability to see, to hear, and to write are all also impaired by CP and "being able to adapt" isn't always possible without proper social support.  In these cases these individuals may be, and often are percieved INCORRECTLY as being mentally challenged, when in fact they are not.  And this isn't a member of the "public" thinking he knows better than a doctor, this is a second year medical student saying that he knows better than you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.136.10.240 (talk • contribs) 00:56, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * May I state the obvious and say this article needs clean-up? Umalee 19:55, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Being a second-year medical student has nothing to do with this article. The extremely high prevalence of mental impairment among people with CP is definitely worth noting, no? No need to explain it away with pet theories about socialization. Just as depression is mentioned in the article on anxiety disorders. Why do you think that is? Because there is a very high prevalence of the two conditions together. Anyway, the article does really need a clean-up regardless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.82.98.53 (talk • contribs) 14:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The two occuring at the same time is extremely common. As such, it is a bit pedantic to get on your soap box about this issue - especially seeing as you mistakenly left sensory in your desciption of CP above as well! ('Palsy' refers to motor deficit.) Essentially, you are correct in saying that CP only describes that there is motor loss involved in the patients condition. However, most people (medicos included) assume that there is a great likelihood of other problems being present, and as such, it is entirely appropriate for wikipedia to address those problems in the article. Dantendo 09:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * As a person with CP, I have to agree. The secondary conditions are very common and should be included. I am a junior in college and suffer from several of them (ie. I have a learning disability) —Preceding unsigned comment added by You05 (talk • contribs) 04:43, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * For clarification on almost ALL of these issues, go to http://www.matheny.org/. It also provides insight into Spina Bifida and Lesch-Nyhan disease. Since Matheny has over one hundred patients, they know what they're talking about —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.249.21.108 (talk • contribs) 18:01, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * i do find this article very offensive and inaccurate.You discussed the worst case senario with CP children and did not discuss what the cp individual can do. I work for an RDA and know many people with CP and am extremely disgusted with Mental Retardation comments.I am usually quite pleased with wiki and regularly look up information on this site but after reading this article im unsure to support your site anymore.I am sure you will be rectifying the page promtly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.213.6 (talk • contribs) 06:05, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I find the article very appropriate. When reading about any disease you would never assume that any patient would fit all criteria. The same is true for CP - one should assume in this case that affected people will range from almost completely normal in terms of their physical abilities to some with severe disability. You should assume the same thing with concurrent learning disabilities. Some patients I have seen have been severely disabled in this regard, while some doctors I know have mild CP with spastic hemiparesis.Dantendo 06:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, has it ever occurred to people that when someone has mental retardation as the *primary condition*, that is going to affect their motor skills, so they developed CP symptoms as a result of the same condition that caused the retardation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.80.8 (talk • contribs) 11:50, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Good question! However, CP is the primary diagnosis here - generally we can localise areas of the brain that are affected and are causing the motor problems, so you would probably say that these are 'primary' deficits. If they are mentally retarded as well, you could see this as either primary (from associated areas of the brain being damaged as well) or secondary (from less access to learning opportunities). It is important to realise that the motor loss does not necessitate lower mental ability, but that the two problems can be (and often are) associatedDantendo 06:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I added incidence of various comorbidities (including mental retardation, found at 31%) from the SCPE multi-country register database. Because of that, I'm deleting the reference that was previously there, which listed incidence of mental retardation from Norway only (also at 31%). I wanted to paste it here though so that the reference wasn't lost:


 * One recent study found mental retardation in 31% of children diagnosed with CP.


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 * 16:43, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

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Possible copyvio problems
A lot of the text in this article, especially stuff that's unsourced, also appears at http://www.cerebralpalsyworld.com ... it's unclear which direction the text was copied. 21:23, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Cerebral palsy world is not really a reliable published source. They do not give refs. Which blocks of text are exactly the same? If it was added gradually to Wikipedia over time than likely they copying from us. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 00:09, 28 January 2014 (UTC)