Talk:Chanel

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Rewrite
I recently re-wrote the entire article, added an image of the logo and greatly expanded a previously mediocre piece of information. Please feel free to add.--Speedway 18:03, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

should note that chanel was very popular disgner in the 1920s before marylin was around little black dress was a flapper dress jasmine rose in chanel number 5 are now very popular note in perfume. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.24.51.238 (talk) 21:39, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Original handbag history
The reason behind the small zipper on the flap: This is where Coco kept her love letters to read as a reminder of her lovers. The reason behind the small pocket on the back of the purse: This is where she kept her tip money. She idolized masculine life style. Their clothes, their wealth, their independents. Although back then, men paid the bills; she rebelled and immitated their actions of paying for bills and tipping the servers and valet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.87.8.166 (talk) 15:50, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Chanel 22
Is there such a perfume as Chanel 22 or is it a lie?

Answer: There is a Chanel 22. It used to be sold in department stores, but its available only in the boutiques now.

Plus someone should mention that Marilyn Monroe gave Chanel 5 a VERY big free endorsement


 * is that true?

Yes, it is true! MM was asked what was her favorite perfume? She answered, Channel #5! I believe it was around the time she was shooting "The Prince And The Showgirl"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.188.132 (talk) 03:36, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Chanel 2.55
How about adding a photo of the handbag?

yesssssssssss

Or how about a photo of the beautiful Coco?

put something about how the design icon relates to its time? because these are answers i need!

New Edit
I made a complete revision of the article. Please, be free to make edits to grammar, add pictures, etc. --Thepowederoom 08:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

The information in the article is good, but it still needs to be better organized into more clearly-labeled sections. Additionally, there are no pictures of the brand's iconic suits or purses. There is also no mention of the short "film" (actually a Chanel No. 5 advertisement it created starring Nicole Kidman (and directed by Baz Luhrmann), which I read is the most expensive television "ad" ever produced.

-Vincentanton 01:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Mismatch information
On the Chanel No.5 entry, it is claimed that there were *six* test fragrances and Mme Chanel chose No. 5. On this page there were only five for her to choose. Which is correct? --Navstar 18:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Both versions are wrong, the number of test fragrances was of course much higher, and the only reason for her just to select the vial number 5, was her affinity to the number 5, which she always regarded as her lucky number. At this time she had no idea what kind of scent it was. --193.154.12.69 (talk) 08:36, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

call out!
i really wanted to know if anyone could get hold of the acctual double C sign i want to put it on something and iv looked everywhee so i you email it to me but on my bebo: www.bebo.com/-FREAK-x    thanks x

Minor Edit
I tweaked the Chanel No. 5 film section a bit and added a couple wikilinks.Second crimson 03:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

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Vandalism
Cleaned up a piece of Wikivandalism.

- Jennifer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.225.35.223 (talk) 10:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

U.S. boutiques
I don't think that the "U.S. boutiques list" should stay in the article. It appears to be propaganda and the term "fashionable cities " doesn't seem encyclopedic.Yamanbaiia 17:41, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

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Peacock terms
Having read this piece, I'm trying to figure out what the "peacock terms" are. I'm not all that fashion knowledgeable but it seems pretty straight forward to me. Are the "peacock terms" the names of some of the people mentioned?

Thank you. I hope I put this in the correct place. Danu6403 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danu6403 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Read WP:Peacock. dougweller (talk) 21:25, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

remembering era of Coco
The years of the 1920s and 1930s will best be remembered as the era of Coco whose simpler lines of women's couture led to the popular "flat-chested" look of the 1920s.

Will be? When? And by who? My grandparents? I can't say they have too many years left, so they better start remembering. 71.155.241.19 (talk) 05:33, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

vandalism
Number or locations: 1/2 Industry: food —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.129.78.157 (talk) 14:47, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

"Establishment and recognition..."
The first two paragraphs of this section are disjointed and need to be revised with additional context/background added. Several people are referred to without previous introduction in the article--Balsan, "Erica" (no idea who this was), and "he" who met with "a businesswoman" in Chicago at 5:15... HUH???Rep07 (talk) 17:43, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Toilet water
There are two places in the article where Chanel perfumes are described as "toilet water". Is that subtle vandalism that escaped detection? 61.102.1.48 (talk) 12:28, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Interesting, but no, the language is correct there. "Toilet water" is a synonym for Eau de toilette, a lighter variation on perfume.  I added the trademark sourcing, but I'm not sure I formatted correctly. Would appreciate the help if someone could take a look! Metabrarian (talk) 04:33, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Copyedit
Upon request, hit this, pretty hard. The main move was to cut acres of redundant, flowery context and break up long, convoluted sentences. Other comments:

- There's no need to reference the same source repeatedly in a single paragraph, unless other refs are present.

- The lede should better balance the origins of the firm and its modern-day incarnation.

- It wasn't clear to me from the text whether Chanel emulated Dior, or maintained the original no-hourglass approach.

- Was she the mistress of the two men at the same time or did she switch?

- Lots of red links. I didn't remove them, but someone should.


 * Cheers. Lfstevens (talk) 01:13, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Reply:

Had you read critically, you would not ask such silly questions. . . she was mistress to both men, simulateously and at the same time. "Individuals", rather than "women"? Oh well, the groupthink mentality again justifies dumbing down a history article. I'll wait for you to finish, and revert it to the adult narrative. If you do not know the differences between Chanel and Dior, and their competition, what are you doing here? Don't you like girls? Don't you like prettiness? Hurry up and finish the dumbing down, so that the adult narrative can be restored. The "product catalogue" IS THE SUBJECT of this CORPORATE HISTORY article. Your commercialese language is poorly integrated.

64.107.183.202 (talk) 18:19, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback, I think. The text did not make the timing of her relationships clear. "Simultaneously" was not in there. I don't follow fashion, copyeditors often don't follow the topics they work on. If the catalog is the subject, why are we reading about lovers? I am finished, so go for it. Cheers. Lfstevens (talk) 04:26, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

New page - Paraffection - Chanel subidiary company
I've created a page on subsidiary company Paraffection. Should it be added to the Navbox? (Eartha78 (talk) 00:39, 28 September 2012 (UTC))
 * I looked at the article, it's a nice one - good start! I did make a few tweaks and copy edits. I can see why it should be added to the Navbox, although am not sure where exactly it should go. Certainly do add the Chanel Navbox to Paraffection. Mabalu (talk) 03:36, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for having a look, glad to be able to contribute! May need to add a group for subsidiaries to Navbox and then create article for Eres, Holland & Holland etc... What do you think?(Eartha78 (talk) 04:53, 28 September 2012 (UTC))

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Post Coco era needs expansion
Post Coco era stops at 2003, gallery is very limited and some other parts need expansion too. Chanel acquired brands in meantime and expanded in numerous directions.AugustusMarbleBoy (talk) 20:46, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Factually incorrect information that requires updating

 * What I think should be changed (include citations):

The Chanel article has a number of factual errors and out of date information that require updating.

1.	Business Type: Private Limited Company This has changed from S.A.S. since Chanel moved their HQ to London in 2018. https://fashionunited.uk/news/business/chanel-moves-staff-to-global-hub-in-london/2018091438921

2.	Industry: Luxury Goods This should be updated a they do more than fashion, as this would be the same as the article for Dior. Ref: https://luxe.digital/business/digital-luxury-trends/chanel-from-hats-to-haute-couture/

3.	Founded 1910 (as House of Chanel) Incorrectly showing as 1909 Ref: https://www.hautehistory.co.uk/chanel-timeline/house-history-the-chanel-timeline

4.	Headquarters: London, UK Incorrectly showing as Neuilly-sur-Seine, France https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45517279

5. Key People:

- Leena Nair, Global CEO

- Virginie Viard, Creative Director Fashion

- Olivier Polge, Master Perfumer

- Arnaud Chastaingt, Director of the Watchmaking Creation Studio

- Patrice Leguereau, Director of the Fine Jewelry Creation Studio

Out of date key people listed. Ref: https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/french-fashion-house-chanel-appoints-unilever-executive-leena-nair-ceo-2021-12-14/ Ref: https://www.lexpress.fr/styles/mode/virginie-viard-succede-a-karl-lagerfeld-chez-chanel_2063068.html

6. Logo Incorrect logo is being used in article.


 * Why it should be changed:

Information on the page is factually incorrect and out of date. References show new information.

Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 10:57, 21 February 2022 (UTC)


 * @Occasionalpedestrian here - https://www.forbes.com/companies/chanel - it says HQ Neuilly-sur-Seine. Renat  12:40, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for flagging @RenatUK, Their location is wrong on the Forbes site as well so I will get this changed. Thanks for changing the founded date. Are you able to make the other changes for business type, key people and industry?
 * @Occasionalpedestrian Please see WP:INDENT and sign your posts on talk pages, using four tildes, or clicking the signature icon OOjs UI icon signature-ltr.svg on the edit toolbar. Per Template:Infobox company "Key people" should be up to four key individuals closely associated with the company. -- Renat 13:12, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for directing me to WP:INDENT, this is useful to know. Also thank for making those changes, I didn't realise key people was limited to 4 so that is also good to know. Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 11:29, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I can see the article now contradicts itself as it is referenced in the post-Coco era section that Chanel moved their HQ to London in 2018 (ref 21), and that Leena Nair was appointed Global CEO in 2021. The two inaccuracies need to be updated in the info box. 1. Headquarters should be London. 2. Leena Nair's job title should be Global Chief Executive Officer (ref 25). @RenatUK Thanks for your help before, are you able to give your view on this? Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 10:55, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * HQ location now changed to London on Forbes https://www.forbes.com/companies/chanel. Forbes have limited industry categories, and packaged goods is the closest they have so this is still the same. Luxury Goods is a better descriptor of their industry and should be changed on Wikipedia  Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 09:53, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Factually incorrect information in infobox

 * What I think should be changed:

The following information is showing incorrectly in the infobox

Headquarters: This should be London

Key People: Leena Nair (Global Chief Executive Officer). Need to add the word "Global" to her job title.

Industry: This should be Luxury Goods


 * Why it should be changed:

Factually incorrect information should be updated

Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 12:13, 18 March 2022 (UTC)


 * People: Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done; Industry: Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: per linked reference; Headquarters: Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done. With those three comments, I will close the request tag.
 * Happy Editing-- IAm Chaos  17:20, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

@RenatUK - Thank you for your help before. Are you able to help make the change this time please? Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 12:14, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Out of date information in infobox
Hello, it is Chanel’s conflict of interest editor here again. Chanel have released their financial results and a there are some inaccurate stats in the Chanel infobox.

The following information is showing incorrectly in the infobox:
 * What I think should be changed:

Revenue - $15.6 billion for 2021

Net income - $4.03 billion for 2021

No of employees – 28,500 at the end of 2021

Number of locations: 523 stores

Out of date information should be updated
 * Why it should be changed:

Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 14:05, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Ptrnext (talk) 06:49, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Incorrect information regarding Russia-Ukraine
Hello, I am an editor with a COI to Chanel flagging some incorrect information on the page. The section that states Chanel have continued to do business in Russia since the start of the war with Ukraine is incorrect. Chanel have stopped doing business in Russia and have even gone as far as to stop selling to Russian buyers outside of their borders. This has been widely reported in the following places:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/04/07/opinion/companies-ukraine-boycott.html?login=email&auth=login-email

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2L12C7/

https://fr.fashionnetwork.com/news/Ukraine-chanel-applique-l-embargo-aussi-aux-russes-en-dehors-de-la-russie,1394353.html

https://www.bfmtv.com/economie/entreprises-francaises-en-russie-ou-en-est-on-un-an-apres_AV-202302260097.html

https://www.lefigaro.fr/societes/lvmh-hermes-et-chanel-ferment-temporairement-leurs-boutiques-en-russie-20220304 Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 14:17, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
 * For transparency, I was solicited on my talk page by the above COI editor. That said, the material added in this edit by an IP was sourced to a tweet. A claim like that should be backed up with a solid and reliable source. Several of the sources above, including the NYT, do seem to indicate at least a suspension of activities. For the moment at least, I've removed that material as not supported, and it would be best to get a consensus here before re-adding any claims like that. Sam Kuru (talk) 02:30, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for making this change Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 11:11, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

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