Talk:Charles Duryea

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On March 3, 2012, the article had two REFERENCES sections. I removed the second one because it was obviously redundant: the two sources contained in the REFERENCES section I removed were already listed in the former, and larger REFERENCES section, which I kept. Furthermore, the larger REFERENCES section is more accurate in the citations, which are inline. I thought I had made the article more accurate and readable, and for sure I did not remove a bit of information. I therefore do not understand why my edits have been reverted and even qualified as vandalism. The article is now less accurate than it was before my edit...--Majorbolz (talk) 09:34, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry. My bad.--Charles (talk) 13:48, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

This article has numerous errors. To start, The article is about Charles, redirected from Duryea Brothers yet there is no article about Frank. It shows an 1894 pitcure of an alleged Duryea auto that was discredited as being manufactured in 1900 in Ohio by a differnet manufacturer. Frank alone built and ran the first auto in Massachusettes, with some initial input from Charles who moved to the midwest to set up a bicycle business. It was not made clear that the first company set up by the brothers was the Duryea Motor Wagon Company. There is confusion about the two subsequent Duryea firms started by each brother: Charles in Reading, PA started Duryea Power in business until 1907, and a second incarnation in 1916; Frank formed a venture with Stevens Firearms to create the Stevens-Duryea automobile in business until 1927 in Massachusettes. No biographical information about Frank, who was the true engineer.This page should be corrected, and either a page created for Frank Duryea or alternately the title of this one changed in name and subject to reflect the biographies of both brothers. I would be happy to update this if no one objects but refuse to waste my time if someone is just going to revert it back.Baronvon (talk) 03:45, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * There is an article about Frank. See J. Frank Duryea.  The original Duryea brothers redirect was a double redirect (directed back to itself).  Someone fixed it and they probably just picked a brother as they didn't know who to point the re-direct too.  It should probably be set up like a disambig page to direct to either brother.  I'll try to get to that myself.  I don't know about the 1894 car issue.  If there is some controversy, we can mention this, but we shouldn't take sides.  Try to take a neutral point of view.  Lastly, I know there is some controversy among historians about which brother was the more important automotive pioneer.  Once again, it's not our job to settle this, we should just cite the facts and take a neutral point of view.  Other than that, go for it and let me know if I can help in any way.   HornColumbia   talk  02:45, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S. The Frank Duryea article could use some work too.  Have at it.  HornColumbia   talk  02:47, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I updated the redirect with links to both brothers. See Duryea Brothers.  HornColumbia   talk  03:13, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

There is no controversy about the 1894 car. It is aa Snell manufactured in 1900 in Ohio. I have an article on it with several pictures of the exact same car including the name of the owner who later sold it to the Tallahasse museum as a Duryea. I assume the museum keeps promoting as a Duryea because it sells tickets. Baronvon (talk) 05:11, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merger
I see there are separate articles on Duryea Motor Wagon Company and Duryea Motor Wagon as well as the present one and another on J. Frank Duryea. It will become very arduous for future readers to wade through and compare these articles (and possibly others) which all share the same notable theme, viz., the first gasoline-powered car in America, albeit one which did not lead to significant production. Can someone with interest and suitable reference material combine these pieces into one? Maybe the best title is "Duryea Motor Wagon Company". Bjenks (talk) 07:38, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * There's also Duryea Power and Stevens-Duryea. Stevens-Duryea probably stands alone OK, but the other three could easily be merged.  I think the separate articles on Charles and Frank are fine as there is quite a bit of material out there on each.  If they were combined, someone down the line would propose separating them.   HornColumbia   talk  16:28, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Stevens-Duryea, yes; but aren't the Charles and Frank articles both short enough to form sections of a combined article—maybe a revamp of Duryea Brothers?? Compare the much more notable five Studebaker brothers, of whom only two (John M. and Clem) have warranted separate articles. The youngest, Jacob, organised a massive carriage sales and service business, including the huge 1884 Chicago branch, and is briefly mentioned in a subsection of the Studebaker article. Bjenks (talk) 04:23, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

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