Talk:Chevrolet Impala/Archive 1

Infobox
I really think this article should have an infobox. Unfortuantely I don't know enough about the Imapala, so I'm putting in an informal request right here. Thank you. Gerdbrendel 20:05, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

NPOV
In my opinion &mdash; and I'm a long-time Chevy guy &mdash; the anecdote about the stolen SS outrunning the Crown Vics violates the Neutral Point of View policy. I'm tagging it as such and hoping someone else will agree and remove the section, which even if 100% factual really has no business in an encyclopedic entry, especially since it's virtually a given that there are also examples of CV's overtaking Impalas. --BRossow 01:51, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I removed the sentence, not so much because it violated NPOV, but because it was ambiguous - one day in Oklahoma - and unsourced (meaning: where did this information come from and attributed to what verifiable source?). The incident may very well have happened, and may have informative purpose, but we have no way of verifying it. Stude62 14:23, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm still seeing evidence of bias in his section &mdash; "A majority of law enforcement agencies prefer the Caprice" isn't supported with any sort of reference and seems biased toward the Caprice. I don't want to be the one to both complain and then remove it without input, or at least a chance for someone to provide a reference to support this claim, but I think I will tag it with a 'fact' template and see what happens. --BRossow 15:56, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Info box image
I have switched the image in the info box from the image of the 1968 Imapla to artists rendering of the cureent Impala logo. My reasoning behind this is that while the info box does contain some historical information, its mostly on the modern car, and the logo better represents the modern versions of the car as well as the Impala's heritage. Stude62 15:51, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Generations of the Impala
I have always thought of a generation of a car to mean specific body styles of a car. When a car's body style changes, it is a new generation (sorry if that sounds convulted, but ...).

Anyhow, the infoboxes stating the generations of the Impala may be wrong, and it may be worth checking out. For the record, here's how I understand the generations of the Impala: 1958 (first), 1959 (second), 1961 (third), 1965 (fourth), 1967 (fifth), 1969 (sixth), 1971 (seventh), 1977 (eighth), 1980 (ninth), 1994 (10th), 2000 (11th) and 2006 (12th).

Someone may want to look into this. Briguy52748 13:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)]]

Wiki has been wrong for years

58-60 1st 61-64 2nd 65-70 3rd 71-76 4th 77-90 5th 91-96 6th 00-05 7th 06-13 8th 14-? 9th — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hatzie (talk • contribs) 01:21, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Depends on how you look at the generations. 1958 to 1964 were all "X" frame cars. That could be considered a generation in itself. Then there are styling generations. For instance in the "X" frame cars the 1958 body was unique. 1959 & 60 were similar styles, 1961 & 62 were similar and 1963 & 64 were similar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by McDic (talk • contribs) 17:28, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

NPOV ?
In the 2006-present section of this article, the last sentence before the sub-section of Awards states: "When introduced, it looked like a rehashed Lumina (which was dull in its heyday)." &mdash; Am I the only one who considers this phrase to sound like a commentary and therefore isn't in accordance with the NPOV ? S3BST3R 19:05, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Without it being attributed to someone (e.g., an automotive magazine such as Motor Trend), it does. Briguy52748 21:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC)]]

Impala SS / 1st Gen
I added a picture for the 1994 Impala SS. I also removed the infobox reference that the Impala SS was related to the Dodge Intrepid, which it has little relation to, besides the fact that both cars are 4-door sedans. I also think that there are too many pictures in the first gen section of the article, and it really clutters things up. Anyone else think so? CalsonicGTR 15:34, 29 Sept 2006 (UTC)

generations???
Why isnt the 62-64 considered another generation, they are drastically changed from the 61, boxier and were a popular race car with my generation!!!

Muscle Car Buff
Do you remember the days the Impala had as a muscle car? Of course I remember. Back in 1965 the Impala had 450bhp. That was one really powerful engine. Do you know what happened to the Impala's muscle car days? They disappeared when the '05 Impala came. That car had about 200bhp. That is not my definition of a muscle car. But the good ol' days are coming back. The newest Impala has 303bhp. Who knows what Chevrolet might do in the future. They might up the power to 400bhp. Who knows? See if there's a new concept. If there is, check the engine power for the Impalas with V8s. If they raised the power, let me know on my user page.  Blue Ferrari 04:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC) 


 * For what it's worth, the 1994 - 1996 Impala made (I believe) 260hp at the flywheel. --Zippy (talk) 19:40, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Question
Did the Impala's 7th Generation ever have electrical antenna's? Yellowstone County Girl 19:59, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * No, it's in the rear window. (I think by 'electrical' you meant a power antenna.)


 * Not to be grumpy but I'd like to remind everyone that this page is for discussion of the article, not general opinions/questions about the car. Sites like NAIOA can provide answers to questions about the 2000+ Impalas, while sites like the ImpalaSSForum.com can provide moral support for those who feel Chevy did something wrong with when they built the new Impala on the W-body platform.  Thanks.  Rmarquet 15:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

7th generation
looks like a saab 93 loads —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.201.152 (talk) 19:56, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

1971-1976 Reliability
The remarks about the reliability of this generation are not really that valid. Dashboards of all makes and models from the 1960s - 1980's cracked quite often with sun exposure. The Impala's of this vintage were not known to have water leaks any more so than any other make or model of this vintage. Most literature from this era claims that the Impala was one of Chevrolet's best and most reliable cars of that vintage. They were also considered better than the Chryslers and Ford products of the same generation, which is why the Chevrolet had the best resale value, and continued to outsell all its competition through the 1970s.

future impala "2010 redesign"
due to Cafe and other things i found an article on Motortrends forums about GM not bringing another Zeta to america anytime soon. that's GMs only fullsize RWD platform and would make sence as the impala, but without it the next impala would likely be FWD.

Split generations
Time to think about splitting the generations into new articles. At 86k, this page is getting a bit too long. Lots of info from fans, but it all seems relevant enough. --Vossanova o&lt; 16:48, 3 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I never like to split articles up like this, but some of the generations have so much detail (and useless fluff), much of it predictably unsourced, that there really isn't any other option. This article is pretty difficult to read as-is. --Sable232 (talk) 00:52, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright, I started with Chevrolet Impala (fifth generation). --Vossanova o&lt; 14:49, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Chevrolet Impala (fourth generation) article made. (general text for fourth and fifth gen sections retained for Impala article. Some gens not large for a split yet but will expand them for seperate articles.Vegavairbob (talk) 02:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

An opportunity with these split generations is to have them be well-sourced, with verifiable information, and not just a series of trivial styling and equipment differences from year to year. Is it really notable that blinkers are moved above or below a bumper? As with this example, the generation articles have lengthy expository without sources &mash; giving the feel of original research. What do others think about this? 842U (talk) 11:52, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Good point. As I've seen with other car pages split by generation, it's easier to keep a lot of trivia and fancruft on the smaller pages.  Feel free to add Template:Unreferenced and Template:Overdetailed tags as needed. --Vossanova o&lt; 13:52, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Vossanova- A User had added much detailed info to the fourth and fifth generations in the Impala article. I verified this new text as from only one source (with no reference included). User is a good copier but left off the reference. This text was then split to a fifth generation article (by a different User?) leaving the Impala article section with little more than a paragraph, which I quickly corrected. As per your discussion, I then split the fourth generation that had also been vastly increased in size. In the meantime they have been flagged for insufficient citations. It does take more than two days to complete a new generation article but nothing wrong with starting it as you suggested. In the meantime your request was started, eliminating the excess (new) text from the two bloated generation sections of the Impala article, and this unreferenced split text will be revised and referenced.
 * 842U - A large part of the changes on any given model year within a generation of these cars are styling changes, and the place for the detailed changes is a generation article. There will also be engineering changes at the beginning of each generation article and other specific info of each model year will be added. The first two, (forth and fifth) Impala generation articles were started two days ago... Also Chevrolet Impala First generation (1958) has been revised with new referenced text as this section had received little attention previously.Vegavairbob (talk) 13:16, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Adspeak and Saucy styling trivia: What gives?
The article is rife with adspeak: "Admakers always were fond of naming nearly every part, but this year's "bat wing" fins above "cat's eye" taillights earned no such designations in the sales catalog. Those nicknames came later, though brochures did brand the deck "saucy." Seriously, what is this information doing here?842U (talk) 22:25, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok - What do you think of the revision?Vegavairbob (talk) 14:25, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This image should be speedily deleted because this image someone uploaded years ago is taken from a TV ad. Roypack (talk) 21:08, 17 September 2011 (UTC)Roypack 4:03, Sept. 17, 2011 (talk)

Gas mileage
There is little or no information on the fuel efficiency or gas mileage of the different models of this vehicle. AadaamS (talk) 15:00, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

1994-1996 bill of sale claim
The sales agreement, purchase agreement, window sticker and title for the one in my garage say 'Impala'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.33.126.57 (talk) 02:50, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

gangsta rap / lowrider / west coast hip hop / 6-4
I'm not an expert, but I think the Chevrolet Impala may have become (and was/is) popular partly because of its use as lowrider (sample image) in West Coast hip hop videos that accompanied gangsta rap songs. In related slang, it's called a "6-4", as in "Rollin' in my 6-4" in Let Me Ride and "Cruising down the street in my 6-4" in Boyz-n-the-Hood (Eazy-E's solo debut). None of this is currently being mentioned in the article but may be noteworthy nonetheless. --82.170.113.123 (talk) 00:11, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Third generation (1961–1964) Assembly Location
Here is the evidence of South Gate Assembly, South Gate, California made 1964 Chevrolet Impala Super Sport Coupe which it can be add to the assembly location list here. Rjluna2 (talk) 23:29, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Full-size or mid-size? 2014 update
I could have responded in the above topic but I didn't.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 18:51, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

I misplaced my links. This and this and this tell us it was midsize at one point. I don't know when that started.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 19:06, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


 * It is mid-sized, but full-sized before the eighth-generation Impala. 166.137.208.36 (talk) 19:53, 11 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I wish we had gotten consensus, but I'm relieved. There's no way those cars were full-size. Although the 2014 model may be.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:28, 12 March 2014 (UTC)


 * And we're still arguing over it. This and this say it is full-size NOW. I saw a GM web site that said it was mid-size. It shares the Buick LaCrosse platform, and that article says that car is mid-size.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 21:35, 15 April 2014 (UTC)


 * In order to be a full size car, the current qualified length(inches) has to be 197 inches or more, the current generation Buick Lacrosse is only a inch shorter in length. So it can't be classified as a full size car. Even though GM's website says that it's a mid-size car, it's to long to be one, and many websites don't consider it mid-size as it doesn't have the qualified length to be one. Seqqis (talk) 22:13, 15 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I wish you had responded here earlier. Still, this is very confusing. A lot of full-size cars look smaller than the mid-size cars these days.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 15:42, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


 * The 197-inch number appears to come from a 19-year-old article about how one newspaper measures them (see ). Using the EPA (for American cars) designation or that of the manufacturer seems more reliable. Bahooka (talk) 15:50, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Great. Can we find that and use it? And GM's own web site says mid-size.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 15:57, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The EPA considers the Impala to be a "large car" here. The Malibu, by comparison, is considered a mid-size. I definitely feel the old, arbitrary 197-inch threshold should not be used. Bahooka (talk) 16:04, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

But is the Impala a full-size car every year? And what about the others that are borderline?— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 18:45, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


 * We of course should go with reliable sources rather than finding out the length and then making our own determination, especially as that measurement was only used by one newspaper 19 years ago. The EPA website shows different models by different years, so if the model grows or shrinks that can be referenced. Bahooka (talk) 19:10, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I saw a police car yesterday. It was one of the smallest ones I had ever seen and I couldn't believe they made them that size. I was expecting Mailbu or even Cruz. It was an Impala. What year I don't know.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 15:24, 19 April 2014 (UTC)


 * If a full-size car is 197 inches long, then think about the third/fourth generation Ford Taurus, the first generation Buick LaCrosse, and even the Pontiac Grand Prix, which were understated as "mid-size" cars when they were actually full-size cars in terms of length. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.208.19 (talk) 08:20, 21 April 2014 (UTC)


 * The 197 inch threshold is irrelevant. It is from a single newspaper almost 20 years ago. The EPA or manufacturer website should determine mid-size versus full-size. Bahooka (talk) 14:53, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

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Full-size or mid-size?
Is the Impala classified as a full-size or a mid-size? I don't want to start an edit war, but the article says the Impala is a full-size, and Template:Chevrolet seems to show the Impala as a mid-size. --Kuroki Mio 2006 01:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The W-body platform is a mid-size platform (assuming you're talking about the current one), so I think it should be mid-size (which may be contrary to prior statements I've made on the subject - I've learned more). Rmarquet 00:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The EPA classifies the Impala as a "large" car, not mid-size. It doesn't matter if the platform itself was made for mid-size cars (K platform, anyone?). --ApolloBoy 00:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd guess the Impala would be a "senior midsize", and the Malibu would be the "junior midsize (gotta love GM).", but that leaves Chevrolet with no full-size. --Sable232 01:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Why is the Impala a "full-size" and the Monte Carlo a "mid-size" car? Shouldn't they both be the same? Furthermore, I have not been able to find any EPA listing the Impala as a "large" car. I have found several sources that classifiy the Impala as a "mid-size" car. [www.autos.com/autos/car/midsize/2006/chevrolet/impala/ls] . I've reverted the Impala back to mid-size. Please see Template talk: Chevrolet for more information. -HumanZoom 08:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Better late than never. The EPA's reference to the Impala as a large car is here. Nowadays cars are classified by interior volume (passenger+cargo), and the Impala's 124ft3 puts it outside the mid size class.
 * Yep, EPA still does list the Impala as a fullsize car. As it stands now the Impala's status is listed as mid size on some locations (this article, timeline) and full size in others (full size car article).  Is there a standard for what source of classification (EPA vs 'other') we should be using on Wikipedia? Ayocee (talk) 05:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The EPA link above appears to be broken (I'm getting a 404). Is there an alternate link? --Zippy (talk) 19:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I actually just dropped in to say I'm adjusting the paragraph about the Impala's sales record. 1m in a year is only a record within the United States. Toyota sold 1.36m Corollas worldwide in 2005. --DeLarge 21:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * As alternates to the EPA, here are some sources that describe the size of the car: New York Times ("generally classified as a mid-size sedan, though it's large for that class, and nearly a full-size."], Automotive.com 2007 Chevrolet Impala Review ("mid-size"), Edmunds.com 2008 Impala Review ("medium-sized" in one para, "full-sized" in another), Edmunds.com Impala page ("full-size sedan").


 * I suggest we say that sources describe the new model as either mid-size or full-size and include cites (and possibly note the change in the definition of "full-size" between the 1990s and 2000s). --Zippy (talk) 19:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, it seems as if if the last few generations of Impalas straddled the not-so-distinct line between mid and fullsize. Edmunds classified it as a "large car," though most rental agencies I'm familiar with classify it as mid-size. (Then again, perhaps they base this distinction more on price than volume). That's a tricky one...not sure how to neatly note in the infobox that it's borderline between two statuses (best I can think of is comma sep. both, per the convention of literary/music genres). OhNo itsJamie  Talk 00:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

EPA classifies even the 2000 Impala as a "large car" (what in effect we call the "fullsize car" here in Wikipedia). Therefore I believe the controversy should be put to an end - no generation of the Impala did not meet the requirements for inclusion in that class. Kind, PrinceGloria (talk) 04:02, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

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Tenth series sales contradiction
In the section’s text it says that 2014 saw a surge in sales from about 7% (in 2013) to about 15% of the full-size sedan market. But the sales section shows a fall from 2013 to 2014. There has to be a mistake somewhere. Boscaswell  talk  04:07, 10 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Not so much a mistake as bad wording. Impala sales did decrease from 2013 to 2014. But it would appear that sales of other fullsize sedans decreased even more, making the Impala's market share increase. I'll re-word that to make it clear. --Sable232 (talk) 00:11, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Generations 8 and 9 are midsize, the rest are full-size
I used Consumer Guide as the primary reference, but there are other sources that say the Impala is midsize as well. The 9th gen is an evolution of the 8th gen. 2600:1012:B0E4:AD5:E085:6942:850E:EE4 (talk) 19:09, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Not to mention, when the Impala was revived in 1999, GM marketed it to rival its own Pontiac Grand Prix sibling, as well as the Ford Taurus. The Oldsmobile Intrigue, Buick Century and Regal were rivals to the Mercury Sable. So, midsize. 2600:1012:B0E4:AD5:E085:6942:850E:EE4 (talk) 19:11, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

1981 Chevrolet Impala Sport Coupe 6.2 liter V8 diesel N/A (only available with upgraded suspension)
This model is missing from the list. Same engine as in the Hummer H1 and Chevrolet Silverado. -- Alexey Topol (talk) 18:50, 31 July 2021 (UTC)