Talk:Chinese Taipei national football team

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When did the ROC start playing in international matches? According to China national football team its first match was 1913, instead of 1949. When did the ROC start playing as "Taiwan", and when as "Chinese Taipei"? Thanks. &mdash; Instantnood 19:29 Mar 7 2005 (UTC)

kit?
where can i find a chinese taipei kit, im in desperate need of one...
 * The home jersey is available only in CTFA (photo and announcement: http://www.ctfa.com.tw/news.asp?category=A&news_id=521). And there's no way to buy away jersey now. -- scchiang 18:42, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Kits...
Both the German and French Wikipedia sites say that the home kits are in full blue and the away kits are in full white. However, the FIFA Webpage on the Chinese Taipei team says: Jerseys: blue. Shorts: blue. Socks: white. I'm guessing they're talking about the home kit, but I'm going to do the same as the German and French Wikipedia (home: full blue and away: full white). Someone please correct it if it's wrong. Thanks.

Capitalized last names?
Hmm...I'm not sure if the last names of the players should be capitalized or not. After all, the real form of their last name isn't capitalized. What do you you guys think? -- Asdf1248 05:29, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's necessary to capitalize players' family names. Both Korea Republic and Hong Kong do not capitalize them either. -- scchiang 03:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well i capitalized them according to the following page: http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9958069&postcount=11 -- Chinesetaipei 14:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Meh...their "real" transliterated last name isn't in capital letters. Like...when you write, say, a letter to them in English, you don't say, "Dear LU Kun-Chi,..." -- Asdf1248 14:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the reason they put in caps for last names is to distinguish first name from last name cuz the Chinese/Taiwanese usually put the surname FIRST -- Chinesetaipei 14:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think people really care about their last names. Shirt names may be more important. -- scchiang 07:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Nikename
I was a little surprised to see Chunghua Team becomes the team's nickname. I thought it's only a short name for Chinese Taipei. -- scchiang 03:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * um i thought the short name can also be the team's nickname...? maybe im wrong...  -- Chinesetaipei 14:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I checked the national football team pages of some other countries, most of them use colors (e.g. France, Italy), animals (e.g. England, South Korea, Serbia), or meaningful symbols (e.g. Spain, Israel) as nickname. Another problem is Chunghua Team could refer to every national team of Taiwan, such as baseball, volleyball, etc. I don't think it's good to be the nickname. -- scchiang 06:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

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EAFC (East Asian Cup) 2008 lineups
Does anyone know the lineups of Chinese Taipei in EAFC 2008 preliminary competition against Guam and Hong Kong? I cannot find that info on the Internet, so I did not update the "caps" of each player. (But I updated the "goals" according to news reports.) --scchiang 13:27, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

China - international football
Can anyone help me disentangle the official status of the various matches involving the China national football team prior to 1948. I am slowly building the List of first association football internationals per country and have had some problems identifying the first "official" match for each particular country; hopefully, I've got it right so far. But I am hitting a wall with the Chinese. The article for the China PR national football team (People's Republic) lists their first match as taking place on 1 February 1913, with an alternative as 4 August 1952, whereas the article for Chinese Taipei national football team (Taiwan) also claims the 1 February 1913 match, with an alternative of 1 May 1954.

For Taiwan I have gone with the latter but for the People's Republic I have gone with the Olympic Games match on 2 August 1948, as per the RSSSF article. RSSSF list three matches played in Hong Kong in 1949, 1950 and 1953 between "China" and South Korea which don't seem to have official status. The ELO website (which shows how the FIFA rankings are arrived at) lists the first Taiwan match as that on 1 May 1954 but for the People's Republic it shows all the matches from February 1913.

RSSSF does not list any of the "pre-war" matches for either country and for the earlier matches (from 1913 to 1921) in the Far Eastern Games, says that China was represented by a club side, South China A.A... China also played in the 1936 Olympics; and the FIFA match summary shows them as "China PR".

Another website lists all the matches from 1913, but attributes those up to 1927 as, those from 1930 to 1949 as Including both the 1936 and 1948 Olympic Games matches) with the first 🇨🇳 china match as being that on 4 August 1952.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 08:42, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

China - international football
The case with "China" is similar with "Ireland" before. For Ireland, the initial governing body is IFA (Irish Football Association) which based in Belfast, but select its players from both sides of the border. During the Home Nations exclusion from FIFA events, the rival governing body FAI (Football Association of Ireland) which based in Dublin, claimed as representation for the island. After FIFA acknowledgement of the Home Nations FAs, both associations keep selecting all Irish players from both Northern Ireland and Ireland proper. (see World Cup 1950 and 1954 Qualification).

Only after FIFA intervention in 1953, IFA would only select Belfast (or Northern) players and FAI only select Dublin (or Southern) players.

Founded in 1924, the only governing body for China is Chinese Football Association (ZhongHua MingGuo ZuQiu XieHui/Traditional Chinese: 中華民國足球協會), based in Nanjing, southern part of China. The squad for 1936 Summer Olympic football tournament were selected from a Hong Kong based, South China AA and strengthened with several players from other Southern Chinese region and two players from South East Asia (one was Chinese Singaporean and one was Chinese Indonesian).

After the nationalist defeat, the governing body maintain its name but relocated to Taipei, Taiwan. Yet it still claims the jurisdiction on all Greater China.

The northern communist government founded the rival Football Association of the People's Republic of China/Chinese Football Association (ZhongGuo ZuQiu XieHui/Traditional Chinese: 中國足球協會), based in Beijing, northern part of China. The English name for the Beijing based organization is same with the Taipei based organization, but the Chinese name is different, "Guo" refer to the Chinese as a nation/state, while "Hua" refer to the Chinese as a culture.

Initially, FIFA and AFC only acknowledge Taipei based organization. Mr. Lee Hui-Tang is a Hong Kong born Chinese who represents China in 1936 Summer Olympic up until the war ends and the Taipei organization as FIFA vice president after the war.

But after 1974, the wind changed and the Beijing based organization considered as representation of China proper, and the Taipei organization later ejected from AFC and FIFA memberships. Only later back as an OFC member and back to AFC with a new name CTFA, but retained the original name in Chinese.

So, the original Chinese Football Association is the CTFA (Nanjing/Taipei organization), but after a while a new organization CFA (Beijing based) usurps its position in China proper. In brief, the representation of China in international competitions, before 1974 World Cup qualification. 1936 Summer Olympic -> Nanjing organization (majority players based in Hong Kong) 1948 Summer Olympic -> Nanjing organization (majority players based in Hong Kong) 1954 World Cup qualification -> Taipei organization (withdraw after seeding, no team selected) 1956 Asian Cup -> Taipei organization 1958 World Cup qualification -> both organization admitted, (Taipei organization withdraw after seeding, no team selected). Beijing organization actually fielded a team. 1960 Asian Cup -> Taipei organization 1968 Asian Cup -> Taipei organization

To make things more complicated, both organization claims the pre-war achievements of China as theirs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cumi2got (talk • contribs) 10:02, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Flag Icon
Chinese Taipei national football team use Olympics flag in international events. Examples: The present flag icon on FIFA website is Olympics flag, too.--Jitcji (talk) 08:41, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * 2014 FIFA World Cup qualification
 * 2013 EAFF East Asian Cup
 * 2014 AFC Women's Asian Cup qualification
 * 2013 AFC Challenge Cup
 * AFC U-16 Women's Championship 2013 qualifiers

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Mens General Statistics (1951 - 1998)+(2002 - 2014)
As end of 2014 Asian Games.

Mens General Statistics (1951 - 1998)
As end of 1998 Asian Games.

Mens General Statistics (2002 - 2014)
As end of 2014 Asian Games.

Womens General Statistics (1990 - 2014)
As end of 2014 Asian Games.

Requested move 4 February 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Consensus that this move should not be done without a wider discussion to determine the names of sports teams representing Taiwan. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  02:28, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Chinese Taipei national football team → Taiwan national football team – Per WP:COMMONNAME and consistency with other national association football team articles. See South Korea national football team and North Korea national football team; they are officially called "Korea Republic" and "DPR Korea" by FIFA, yet we use "South Korea" and "North Korea" as the countries' articles are located there. Same logic for Mandatory Palestine national football team: the team was referred to as "Palestine", yet it's called "Mandatory Palestine" as the country is located at Mandatory Palestine. Nehme1499 (talk) 22:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC) —Relisting.  Mario Jump  83!  00:22, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose without wider move discussion involving all the sports teams of Taiwan (Category:National sports teams of Taiwan), as well as the Olympic articles. All the sports teams of the country currently compete and are registered under the name "Chinese Taipei", which is currently used in the article titles of all the country's sports teams. Wikipedia should remain consistent, either all the articles should use Chinese Taipei or Taiwan, not a mixture depending on the sport. Also, the situation is not exactly the same as North/South Korea given the complex history and agreements which led to the name, and the fact that Chinese Taipei is accompanied by its own flag, separate from the Republic of China. S.A. Julio (talk) 00:01, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONSISTENT. The common English name of the country is Taiwan, which is where our main article is located. All sub-article titles should conform to the primary article title for consistency. Rreagan007 (talk) 00:08, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. S.A. Julio (talk) 00:13, 5 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 02:20, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose as per S.A. Julio 162.208.168.92 (talk) 08:31, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose per S.A. Julio. Needs a wider RFC I think. GiantSnowman 12:40, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.--EchetusXe 13:18, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose as per S.A. Julio achangeisasgoodasa (talk) 15:12, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose, per S.A. Julio.  Mario Jump  83!  00:22, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose, I'm from Taiwan, and we are always been called as Chinese Taipei(TPE) in sporting events. User:EasonChiu610 12:15, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

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