Talk:Chuck Liddell

Career Fights / Wins
According to the Matt Hughes article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Hughes_%28fighter%29) he has 24 fights, not 23. Anyone opposed to fixing the wording in the beginning of this article to reflect that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.65.144.247 (talk) 22:47, 20 April 2011 (UTC)


 * ✅ Dachknanddarice  ( T ‖ C ) 23:51, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Former MMA fighter?
Cite this or remove it. Just because he's not fighting for the UFC doesn't mean he's not fighting any more.

Inducted into UFC Hall of Fame
On Friday, July 10th, the UFC Hall of Fame inducts its two newest members, former UFC light heavyweight champion Chuck “The Iceman” Liddell and TapouT co-founder Charles “Mask” Lewis. http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=100085807868&h=k-6Nl&u=CBMLj Visit www.UFCFanExpo.com for information. >> Source: www.ufc.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.35.56.147 (talk) 05:14, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Cite not needed
Requesting a citation for the statement "is considered by some to be the hardest puncher at 205 pounds" is as unneeded as a citation for "Dogs have fur". Anyone who's seen Liddell fight would know he's in the top 5. For reference, see fights vs Couture, Sobral, and Horn. Besides "considered by some" implies this is an opinion which needs no cite.
 * Do opinions go in encyclopedias? I didn't know that, I shall call up Encyclopedia Britannica right away and demand more opinions in their entries.--Blingice 07:12, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * As a note, I agree with the opinion, but I mean, come on, let's not be stupid.--Blingice 07:13, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Why no matchup against Forrest Griffin?
I recall reading that Forrest doesn't feel that he is ready for Liddell at this point in time. -- Dan N.

Well, after tonight's performance, I think Forres is right on. Tito barely held on for two rounds. Jackbox1971 05:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

wasnt quite sure if the picture actually showed up
uh sorry. anyways silva vs liddell will be a good fight to it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.235.167.97 (talk) 21:50, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Wanderlei Silva matchup
Edited the latest information in regards to this last matchup early this morning (9/19/06, towards the end of Liddell's information). Seems like the matchup may still be underway. -- Dan N.
 * view reference for update, not happening Thesaddestday 00:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Pound for Pound status
When chuck liddell was in his prime during his reign as the champion of the lightheavyweight division he was widely regarded as the pound of pound best mixed martial artist in the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.161.140.228 (talk) 22:53, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

08/26/2006 	Win 	Renato Sobral 	UFC 62 	TKO (Barrage) 	Round1 	1:35

Someone locked the page due to "vandalism"

Change to 19 wins

this was a great fight.

19 wins (12 KO's, 1 submission, 3 decisions), 3 losses (2 KO's, 1 submission), 0 draw.


 * This page is no longer protected, so you may add the information yourself. However, please cite a source for it, as it will make it easier for people to verify the information is correct (now, and in case of future vandalism). Petros471 13:04, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

JHBLKJNIJIJ/IKJU;IU —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.247.161.203 (talk) 00:01, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

SILVA FIGHT ISN"T HAPPENING
It should be removed its false--Donnie from the mean streets of Boston, KY 02:29, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It is still relevant, atleast to inform people it is not happening... by the year's end it should be gone until something more than speculation is on the plate Thesaddestday 05:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * ?? It was a rumored fight to begin with, Dana jumped the gun and announced it under the premise that PRIDE would be closing shop after the yakuza scanadal...But yeah I guess it should still be in the article????--Donnie from the mean streets of Boston, KY 17:37, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Somebody vandalized the Personal Life section
Read it and you'll see what I mean.

MMA Fight record
1. Chuck Liddell has lost all of his fights via. TKO (his first loss to Horn was by passing out, he stated HIMSELF that he never tapped because he thought he could hold on until the next round. He didn't) 2. Chuck's TKO loss to Rampage in 2003 was actually due to Chuck's corner throwing in the towel, not by strikes. Watch the ending of that fight and you can clearly see a white towel thrown to the referee, who then stops the fight.

I'll change these 2. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SuzukS (talk • contribs) 03:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC).

Might be interesting to mention Liddell's close friendship with FB stud Lorenzo Neal of the SD Chargers. They train together, and are close friends.

Liddell's latest fight was lost by TKO, not KO, according to the UFC website. I'm changing it back to TKO. http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=EventDetail.FightCard&eid=547 Bockbockchicken 17:57, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I think it is worth noting that the match was ruled a KO after the fight. but yes the site does say tko. i'm not going to bother with a source because i'm pretty sure it will be deleted if i place a link to a torrent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.247.68.66 (talk) 20:58, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter what they announce. The government organization dedicated to regulating combat sports in Nevada has the final say.  east .  718  at 10:52, 10/18/2007

To the first comment, Liddells first loss would be considered a Technical Submission --SuzukS 05:42, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Good Morning Texas
Any official explanation so far as to his appearing drugged/asleep/mentally injured during this now infamous appearance promoting the film "300"? Let me say IMO I don't think he was on any recreational or illegal drugs, the UFC tests it's fighters and he came up clean (which also would probably discount non-prescribed prescription painkillers). However he DID appear to either be heavily drunk, suffering from serious sleep deprivation, or as some people are speculating suffering from some form of head trauma. Now I'm sure it was something simple (I'm voting sleep deprivation, I've heard those dudes between publicity stuff, training, and just day to day life end up with a pretty hellishly hectic daily regieme), however what was his camps or his sports governing bodies official response on the incident? That would be nice to put up here, since it would be a 'fact' we could link and would put an end to some of the sillier rumors that have circulated since.

Clarification of status
In the introduction it states that Liddell has received his purple belt in Jiu-jitsu. I assume because of his career that it would mean BJJ and not some other form; can anyone clarify?

Career Record
Since 67.164.23.186 screwed up the box by adding some random crap to it, could someone proficient in Wikicode either revert the change or just fix the box? Thanks. --Blingice 16:57, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Vandilism
Stop vandilizing the page because Chuck lost. Someone deleted his record off the page. Can we please have this restored asap and place a lock on this page.

I don't think whoever deleted it did so because they were upset that Chuck lost, as they left only 1 fight of the record on the page, his recent loss. 74.107.206.130 09:24, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Restored
I've restored the damages made by another person.

MMA Record
Can someone change the format of Chuck's MMA record with the notes section to tel you about titles and stuff? The way it is now looks stupid.(MgTurtle 19:00, 27 May 2007 (UTC)). Never mind, I fixed it.(MgTurtle 16:01, 28 May 2007 (UTC)).

MMA Record
Can someone change the ending method of his last fight against Rampage? I don't remember a submission named kiss of death, and it was a TKO (referee stoppage).

I am sorry if this is not proper category but I just wanted to ask you - what the hell??? You wrote Chuck Liddell lost from Rashad Evans, but on the official ufc site it says Chuck withdraw from the match due to an injury.... ??? I am confused? I would appreciate the explanation. Thanx!--VEGETA_DTX (talk) 12:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

opening paragraphs
I think that the opening paragraphs do not need to mention that high school football player who started 4 years its something plenty of guys do (maybe move it to a trivia area). I think instead in the opening paragraph is should state that he was college wrestler, being that is something he is more known for.

What is with the records of certain fighters (Liddell's included) showing their record after EVERY fight? I find that extremely pointless.

Do we have to include the number of times he beat someone?I think it's stupid and is pointless since it shows the opponents in the mma record.(MgTurtle (talk) 14:11, 3 August 2008 (UTC))

Dan Liddell
Should it be mentioned that Chuck's brother Dan is also training in mma?(MgTurtle (talk) 20:33, 7 August 2008 (UTC))
 * On Chuck's page, NO Swampfire (talk) 20:34, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Dan Liddell? Can't find anything about him... Are you sure you're not thinking about Sean Liddell, who is already mentioned in the article? --aktsu (t / c) 21:59, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

No I'm talking about his younger brother Dan Liddell who hasn't made his mma debut yet but will on August 15th, 2008.Here's a link (MgTurtle (talk) 01:54, 8 August 2008 (UTC)).

Also not mentioned are his other siblings, (Chuck talked about them in his book) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.1.80.2 (talk) 16:50, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Kickboxing record
I wanted to ask before i make the change. I wanna add his kickboxing rec (20F, 18W, 16KO's, 2L) to his infobox. example Mark Hunt. Any objections?Marty Rockatansky (talk) 20:59, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

edit war
Please lets settle this on talk instead of this continuous edit war.


 * He was named the "Most Dangerous Man" at the Spike TV Guys' Choice Awards on June 13, 2007.


 * He was named the "Most Dangerous Man" at the Spike TV Guys' Choice Awards on June 13, 2007, despite being knocked out by Quinton Jackson less than three weeks prior.

Discuss —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cube lurker (talk • contribs)
 * The latter provides unwarranted significance towards a factoid of marginal use and should be excised unless specifically commented on in third-party sources. east718 //  talk  //  email  // 20:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

hmm
ok well i see you using alot of big words but you dont seem to be saying much. facts are facts. he was named "most dangerous man" despite being TKO'd less than three weeks prior. you cant argue with the truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emex4 (talk • contribs) 07:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No, but we can apply WP:NPOV and WP:UNDUE to edits done by people trying to push their own agendas, particularly when they edit war over it. -   Ca ri bb e a  n ~ H. Q.  00:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I think part of the edit war is because Chuck Liddell was not knocked out by Quinton Jackson. It was a premature stoppage by the referee and everyone that was there in person knows that Jackson was booed out of the presence of the spectators. The booing didn't stop until Jackson went to his dressing room. Dana White rushed over to Liddell immediately after the premature stoppage and it was obvious that he was offering him a big pay check to keep his mouth shut about the premature stoppage. He was mouthing words such as "pay you" "pay you" "worth while" over and over again. It was enough money that Liddell did keep his mouth shut. Everyone that was there saw that immediately after Liddell went down he was actively protecting himself and when the ref prematurely stopped the fight the ref had to sit on Liddell to keep him from standing up in protest. Once Dana White ran over and offered money to Liddell several people had to convince him to sit on the stool because he was still upset by the "fixed fight". Those of us who were there know what really happened. So the "official" record might say he was knocked out, but we know what the true facts are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwertasdfgzx (talk • contribs) 17:44, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Why Is Tito Ortiz Not Mentioned?
Chuck Lidell and Randy Couture are considered to have brought the UFC out of the dark ages, Why is Tito Ortiz not mentioned also? He is the first Light-Heavyweight champion of the renamed middleweight belt against Wanderlei Silva at UFC 25 (Before UFC 25 middleweight tittle was defended at 205 lbs) and went on to defend it 5x successfully.

MMA Record design
I think first two columns are needed to align to center for better appearance and perception. Location also lacks flag icons.--Metacrush (talk) 17:04, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Noe Hernandez link
I think the link in the section ultimate fighting championship for Noe Hernandez redirects incorrectly. That is of course unless he did fight an Olympic race walker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Captain Deez (talk • contribs) 22:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

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Chuck isn't retired yet
Even though Dana has said he doesn't WANT Chuck to fight anymore, Chuck has to make the decision for himself. There's a big dispute going on currently because Dana is trying to force Chuck to retire but Chuck has yet to make a decision. He's not retired yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.70.140.237 (talk) 17:13, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Of Course not. He'll be back. Give him about 4 months to pick up his shattered ego and he will be back on the road again. 41.234.40.184 (talk) 20:16, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Liddell is over, but he's gonna continue and end off like Ken Shamrock most likely.Lasttiger (talk) 16:09, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Dana White said in an interview during The Ultimate Finale 9 "I'm not Chuck Liddell's dad. I can't force him to retire, so it's really a matter of whether or not he wants to come back." --24.177.4.216 (talk) 04:45, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

He'll Be back I agree with user 41.234. He's just depressed about his loss at the moment. But I'd say more like a year than 4 months until he comes back. Lasttiger (talk) 02:19, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * As of August, his stance seems to be undecided. Atleast, that's what it appears given the evidence. Changed the title to 'Possible retirement' too, since I wouldn't really call it a rumor given Dana White's announcements.Jonhan (talk) 03:22, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Error found
The date in his fight record for UFC 40 is Feb 15, 2003 is wrong. The correct date is Nov 22, 2002 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.179.63.190 (talk • contribs) 22:22, 13 August 2009
 * ✅ snigbrook (talk) 23:22, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Stuff
it says he has the most wins and ko/tko wins by a fighter, but it should be clarified that this is only the record for ufc fighters while in the ufc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.246.138 (talk) 01:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ --aktsu (t / c) 20:01, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Dancing with the stars
The first paragraph is outdated it still states it was announced he would compete in DWTS when he has already competed and been eliminated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.202.2.217 (talk) 10:24, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

his participation in DWTS should be part of his "TV appearances" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verdad1029 (talk • contribs) 00:37, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

The Ultimate Fighter 11
Chuck Liddell will be coaching The Ultimate Fighter 11 and facing off against Tito Ortiz for their 3rd fight.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmlinney (talk • contribs) 04:41, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * there's a typo in ur sentence, can someone fix it the page is locked. also you didn't provide a source gotta do that too cheers 128.54.174.218 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 18:10, 2 January 2010 (UTC).

Naked Workout
Per CBS News http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/02/26/crimesider/entry6246351.shtml, Chuck and his girlfriend Heidi Northcott have taped and posted a video of them wearing nothing but the Reebox that Liddell endorses as a "viral video". Video is available Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSBs68zRlng

This should be included, yes? 38.109.88.196 (talk) 00:46, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Liddell not fighting Franklin
Can someone please fix that. Dana White confirmed on his Twitter that Franklin is fighting Couture not Liddell. Right after that he said there was nothing wrong with Ortiz. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.127.14.52 (talk) 03:26, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I have corrected this, including reference. JoeDan 04:47, 22 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joe8609 (talk • contribs)

Acting career section
I've noticed that he is cited as having a cameo in the movie "300". Since the cited source seems to be IMDB and there is no record about 300 on his page, i wondered how that works. i realize that he was participating largely in the promotion of the movie in the US, but does this qualify as a cameo? i don't think so and the source is bogus. on another note, does imdb pages even qualify as a reliable source? after all it can be edited by users just as well as wiki. Copykill (talk) 01:32, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit Request
excessive vandalism


 * A request has already been filed here. Bejinhan  Talk   06:23, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Tutti Musk ??
It says at UFC 52 he once again fought Tutti Musk ?

Why do people have to screw around like this ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.240.69.157 (talk) 22:30, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

MMA Record Guy Mezger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_14

It was 0:21 of the second round, not 2:21... and I just saw the fight on The Best of Pride.OrLULando (talk) 01:31, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Not what Sherdog has and I trust that more. Paralympiakos (talk) 01:32, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

his last 2 listed wins are losses who keeps messing with this??? he lost to franklin by K.O at 115 and T.K.O by Shogun Rua At UFC 97! no wonder this site is a joke and can't be used factually!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.233.38.117 (talk) 22:44, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Ultimate Iceman Store In San Luis Obispo Closed
It closed a few year ago if my memory serves me right. It is now Emily's Cinnamon Rolls. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.84.27.140 (talk) 20:09, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I found a source for that The Ultimate Iceman store closed in January 2011. It was only open a few months. While http://chuckliddell.com/ has a section for the store it can't be clicked. There's evidence this is a new web site constructed May 15, 2014 meaning the on-line store may reappear. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 21:33, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Dannika
Should his daughter Dannika be included in the personal section for this article? I suspect she is Heidi's daughter from a previous relationship meaning she's a step-daughter. This post from August 16, 2011 says "We can't wait to add a little one to our family along with our amazing kids Cade, Dannika, and Trista". Dannika is also identified in this post. I don't trust the reliability of this site but it identifies Dannika as a step-daughter (and has the wrong birth date for Guinevere). Chuck Liddell consistently refers to Dannika as his daughter and so if she's added to the article I'd use that term rather than step-daughter. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 19:55, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Link to reference 7 is broken
http://www.koeikan.com/ gives a server not found error.

A quick search yielded some links that may be substituted: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-meaning-behind-Chuck-Liddells-head-tattoo http://www.mmamania.com/2006/12/18/ufc-fighter-chuck-liddell-promotes-peace-with-his-tattoo http://www.koeikanwa.com/about-koei-kan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:8E01:C8E0:B5F7:45E1:8CE8:B04A (talk) 20:23, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

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''Liddell announced on April 14, 2018, that he was coming out of retirement to target a third fight with Tito Ortiz. The fight took place on November 24, 2018 under Oscar De La Hoya's Golden Boy Promotions.[39][40] Liddell lost the fight via knockout in the first round.[41]'' I think more detail should be added here about Chucks clearly degraded ability in every aspect, this 'fight' should never have happened and was nothing more than Golden Boy Promotions cashing in on Liddell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.192.213 (talk) 12:28, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Is this a legal move?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Liddell#Liddell_vs._Ortiz Is the "rear mounted scrotum hold" real? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.234.59 (talk) 13:21, 5 December 2023 (UTC)